What should be done with Homosexuals?

[Judy]

The point up above also relates to Christian parenthood and teaching their children right from wrong, not sheltering them in a "perfect" Christian bubble. Kids will see sex...you can't hide them forever. The point is to teach them the purpose of sex and what is permissable.

If you were talking to me about putting our kids in a "perfect" christian bubble. That is not what I meant when I said "Just look at how it is "in" for teenage girls to kiss and carry on with the encouragement of the boys."

I know that kids will see sex I am not a prude... what I was talking about is it is "in"now for girls to kiss and do other thing with and to each other, with the boys encouraging them to do so.. That kind of behavior is everywhere. That is the "in" thing now and it is not frown upon. If you are not totaly gay then it is "cool" to be bisexual.

 

[Steve]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Ban all homosexual acts. Then this country will be more of a police state than it already is! Oy gevalt!!!! :o

I can just see it now, police banging on people's doors to see if they are
h-----g. Fuhgeddaboutit.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Homosexuality is really gross if you stop and think about it.............

How could anyone justify that behaviour let alone a parade celebrating it?

 

[DrDiotte]

I know that kids will see sex I am not a prude... what I was talking about is it is "in"now for girls to kiss and do other thing with and to each other, with the boys encouraging them to do so.. That kind of behavior is everywhere. That is the "in" thing now and it is not frown upon. If you are not totaly gay then it is "cool" to be bisexual.

The reason it is like that I believe... Is because
1. Teenagers love to rebel
2. All the people bringing the issue into the lime light (trying to make them do something or not and they fighting back) makes the issue just seem a little more I don't know the word "tolerable" maybe or maybe "accepted" I am not sure. But you got to realize there is MANY people fighting this battle and I see them as 4 groups of people.
1. Gay people that are fighting for their rights
2. People like myself fighting for their rights.
3. People fighting against them.
4. The people that don’t have their rights being stumped on and will not stand up for others rights unless its benefits themselves.
No matter how you look at it there are millions on both sides of the issue. Granted the turn out at polls... numbers shows there is more fighting against them then for them but I can tell you the ones fighting for their rights should and I hope will NEVER back down to the other because I will NEVER stop standing up for what is right and I would never expect you to either but when it comes to someone else’s life I am sorry you do not know what is right for them. And for you to fight against them using laws is just something I can't see how anyone can find justification in.

3. I think the issue you raised seems to be more Boys encouraging the girls then the girls encouraging the boys as you stated and if you look at people that haven’t found "God" or "believe in a different thing or way" how ever you want to label it. More guys think it is ok for two women to do their thing but two guys doing their thing is still frowned on very much so.
And women I don't know but the ones I do know personally present themselves as very tolerable to gay people some seem even to make gay guys their best friends.

I just think we need to educate our children what is right and what is wrong and stop all the hate that is spoke daily.
We need to teach our children they are no better then gay people you are both sinners and God loves you both. Children will grow they will encounter many obstacles in their life and you will never turn back the clock and remove the openness of gay lifestyles so the best thing we can do is teach them right from wrong.

Tell you the truth you should not even tell anyone that anyone is a sinner that’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Teach them what sin is and they will pick it out themselves. That would surly not show any type of hate. Because pointing people out saying they are sinners, they are sinners, they are sinners is just telling them that they are different and they are not in Gods eye's your both sinners and you will both be welcomed into Gods graces if you seek him out.

 

[huj05]

God gave all humans free will to make choices on their own.
The ones that choose not to follow them, may not receive the same benefits that you do.
that does not mean you should try to go against gods will, and change the way they are. take away their free will.
If you say you should, you are contradicting the bible.

 

[Quath]

Homosexuality is really gross if you stop and think about it.............

How could anyone justify that behaviour let alone a parade celebrating it?

I often have wondered about this. After all, most guys like the idea of lesbians. In almost all straight porn (which is aimed at heterosexual men) there are lesbian scenes.

A lot of women I talk to say they find gay male porn exciting. (They say the guys look better than the ones in heterosexual porn.)

So there is some discrepancy in what a lot of people think is acceptable.

I think a lot of it is cultural. I remember seeing an interracial kiss on television when I was young. (I don't remember if it was the Star Trek show or some other show.) My grandfather later commented on how disgusting TV is because a white and a colored can kiss on it. So he was never exposed to it and saw it as bad. I think the same is true about homosexuals.

The first time I saw two guys kiss, my jaw hit the floor from shock. Now, I have seen it enough that I forget that I even saw it as shocking in the past.

Quath

 

[Judy]

We need to teach our children they are no better then gay people you are both sinners and God loves you both.

Tell you the truth you should not even tell anyone that anyone is a sinner that’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Teach them what sin is and they will pick it out themselves. That would surly not show any type of hate. Because pointing people out saying they are sinners, they are sinners, they are sinners is just telling them that they are different and they are not in Gods eye's your both sinners and you will both be welcomed into Gods graces if you seek him out.

God does not see me and a practicing homosexual the same!! I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. God see the finished product through Jesus Christ.

God loves the redeemed even when we sin because His Son, in whom God is always well-pleased, ever lives to make intercession for us. (Rom.8:27, 34) Christ died to atone for the guilt of His peoples sins. When we sin, these are atoned-for sins. God does not hate His people when they sin because they are in His Son, Christ Jesus. And they are made acceptable in His Son. He has made us accepted in the Beloved. (Eph. 1:6)
That doesn't mean that we get away with sin, God, in hot displeasure, chastens His people when they sin (Ps.6: 1; 38:1). Whom the Lord loves He chastens (Heb.12:6,7)
Anyone who persists in sinning proves thereby that he is not a child of God.


If God loves the sinner but hates the sin. Tell me how do you separate the two??

God is perfectly displeased with the sinner. The sinner hates God, disobeys God, is ungrateful to God for all His favors, would kill God if he could. He is dead in trespasses and sins. (Eph.2:1) The thoughts and intents of his heart are only evil continually. (Gen.6:5) He is the slave of sin (John 8:34), the servant of the devil, (Eph.2:2).

When man sinned, he died spiritually and was rejected from communion with God his maker and friend. (Gen.3; Rom. 5:12) The wrath of God was upon him; labor was his lot; suffering in childbirth; alienation and death, as threatened. God is holy; of purer eyes than to behold sin. (Hab. 1:13).

 

[Relic]

I'm so tired of having to defend righteousness to a bunch of people that have no moral values at all! Have you no shame? Have you no sense of decency? Have you no idea of what leads to trouble? Do you just live so blindly that you don't think of consequences to anything things in life? Do you not try to stop bad things from happening? Do you live to see people screw up their lives so bad that you just sit back and say yeah, let them have fun and I'll just sit hear and watch them ruin their lives! Is that your attitude?


It's to bad, and so sad that some people think that "just because" they see what "they think" as "everyone else" is "doing it",
they go onto believing it is then "an okay thing to do" . :o


Only a person that has no foundation from which to place take their moral values from to set as their standards in life woud think like that. That is a kind of person that says, anything goes! as long as anyone can do anything they want. It's fine with them!

I disagree with that mind set completely! I don't let my children fall into harms way and I sure enough don't want my friends or anyone else to be so stupid as to fall into harms way, out of being so ignorant!

If a person chooses to live an amoral life, they will NEVER be able to escape the consequences of it. There are physical (chemical) consequences as well as are, in a sense, a spiritual type of chemical consequence, to all actions and thoughts in life. Meaning that, if you live an amoral life, your emotions will show the effect of doing so. There is no escaping the emotional and mental consequences to anything we do in life! All emotions are affected by sin. And by choosing an immoral action in life, the result will then be "unstable". It's called mental/emotional imbalance, showing signs of mental and emotional problems that affect you and the people around you! And it's all because that person chose to think it was okay to do something or think this way or that way, just because someone else was doing it. How utterly ignorant!

If I tell you it's fun to play in a pile of garbage and it won't bother you after a while of doing it, are you going to buy into that too after seeing it done more than once? If I tell you doo doo isn't dirty and you can play in it! Are you going to be conditioned to it also, and say it won't have an affect on you? What a bunch of blooming idiots are people anyway? Is society de-sensitizing and de-conditioning people into being a bunch of morons? I suppose those people who watch all that garbage junk on the television show Fear Factor are being de-sensitized to rubbish also! Yeah! go eat a bunch of worms and puke and body parts that are totally disgusting and tell the whole world it's okay!!!!!!! Go play with doo doo if you want to! It's okay!
What a bunch of sheep! A bunch of blooming idiotic sheep that follow fools into all kinds of crazy things! And then think there is nothing wrong with it!
Illicit sex, illicit behavior of anykind is okay by them!

You believe that's okay? God have mercy!!!!!!!

Quath! Your grandfather was not wrong! He knew how wrong it is and what the effects of sin are!

God! I pray we don't get de-sensitized to sin!

Quath, I don't enjoy reading your posts at all. they make me want to puke! It's just deplorable and disgusting to see how you come on board and try to justify any and all forms of sin!

I'm so tired of coming onto a Christian Web forum to only find a bunch of people dumping their crap all over it! I've had it. I really don't want to come back here anymore if there isn't anything going on except arguing over the what sin is and what sin isn't. People that have been here for over a year and they still insist on saying anything goes. Any kind of sin is okay by them. Well, I'm tired of it. Stubborness like that is just pure rebellion and spite! And they have no intention of learning anything about Christianity and what it means to live without sin in their lives

I've had it. Those people can Go live in their sin if they want to. But you'll never convince any Christian that it's okay to be like you profess it to being okay, to live in such a hellish mannor!
I'll never listen to someone who is an advocate for the devil! That's all these kind of professions you are placing here are! Taking sides with the devil. SIN!
:x

 

[Relic]

That doesn't mean that we get away with sin, God, in hot displeasure, chastens His people when they sin (Ps.6: 1; 38:1). Whom the Lord loves He chastens (Heb.12:6,7)
Anyone who persists in sinning proves thereby that he is not a child of God.


If God loves the sinner but hates the sin. Tell me how do you separate the two??

God is perfectly displeased with the sinner. The sinner hates God, disobeys God, is ungrateful to God for all His favors, would kill God if he could. He is dead in trespasses and sins. (Eph.2:1) The thoughts and intents of his heart are only evil continually. (Gen.6:5) He is the slave of sin (John 8:34), the servant of the devil, (Eph.2:2).

We can't and never will escape the consequences of wrong doing.

It would not and never will make sense to allow evil to rule a people so as to only lead them into self destruction!

Thanks Judy. You said it all too well. I'm sorry I lost my temper in that last post. I'm just so tired of having to prove truth to those that don't want anything to do with it. All because they live for the anything goes mindset that only leads to trouble in the end.

I need to leave the boards for a while. I've had it with all the crazy advocating for the devil's cause! I'm just so tired of the ones who come here to fight against all that Christianity and righteous living stand for.

:-?

I'm going to have to hit my ignore button when it comes to Quaths posts. They are just too upsetting to see someone like him come here and bash and hate righteousness and promote perversion! I'm really tired of it.

 

[Judy]

:-?
I need to leave the boards for a while. I've had it with all the crazy advocating for the devil's cause! I'm just so tired of the ones who come here to fight against all that Christianity and righteous living stand for.



I'm going to have to hit my ignor button when it comes to Quaths posts. They are just too upsetting to see someone like him come here and bash and hate rightousness and promote perversion! I'm really tired of it.

Sorry to hear you need to leave, but I do understand. You may have a problem with Quaths, but at least we know that he isn't a christian. I have trouble with the christians here that condone or stand up for the rights of the sinner to keep on sinning. :o
I too would like to hit my ignore button, but I can't I am one of the Admin. here. :P

 

[Scott]

Now, I have seen it enough that I forget that I even saw it as shocking in the past.

This is called desensitization, Quath. Homosexuality....abortion....pedaphilia..... genocide......witchcraft......etc. are all acceptable or being made acceptable by people like yourself. Majority rules, right?!! Your problem is you have no defined morality. For you it all depends on which way the wind is blowing that day. You are a true liberal, you can be talked into or influenced into anything. Scary thought when most of society is heading that way too.

 

[Quath]

This is called desensitization, Quath.

Not all desensitization is a bad thing. I thought heterosexual sex sounded pretty icky when I first heard of it. I was shocked when i saw knee surgery on TV. Interracial or interreligious relationships use to shock people. (Some still do.) If you do not grow up knowing something, it is shocking when you first learn of it.

Homosexuality....abortion....pedaphilia..... genocide......witchcraft......etc. are all acceptable or being made acceptable by people like yourself. Majority rules, right?!! Your problem is you have no defined morality. For you it all depends on which way the wind is blowing that day. You are a true liberal, you can be talked into or influenced into anything. Scary thought when most of society is heading that way too.

Liberal morality is closer to the idea that "if noone is hurt, then why forbid it?" Witchcraft and homosexuality fall in this (as long as there are no sacrifices.) Pedophelia and genocide definitely fall outside it. Abortion is a grey area.

So it is more of a "Majority rules with minorities having rights" type of approach.

Look at the morality that people gather from the Bible. They say it is ok to have slavery, keep women from voting, wage wars for God, and kill blasphemers. Is this the type of society you want?

Quath

 

[Scott]

Is this the type of society you want?

I think Jesus was very clear on how we should act.

I'm sure there were people in Nazi Germany who were good people but one day decided it was ok to kill Jews. With your type of thinking that day isn't far off from happening all over again. The problem you have though is my God doesn't care what the majority thinks.

 

[Relic]

Judy,
I'm not quitting.
Just taking a break.



But really, after that last remark Quath made, someone really needs to tell him he is very sick and needs help! If I knew him personally, I'd make sure he was watched very closely. I pity his wife and step daughters to have to put up with his sick mind. They should have him institutionalized! It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was a devil worshiper for real, like he portrayed of himself in that halloween picture he posted of himself. I'll bet he wasn't kidding. It's a shame he comes here to get his kicks like that. That's sick, very sick.

Sorry, but I really think he gets away with too much around here. It wouldn't surprise me if my post got edited rather than his. But then...He has a right to flame and bash Christianity, God and Righteous living, but we do we have any rights to say how we feel about his viewpoint and how freaky we think he is being. :o Go figure? :-?

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:-?

 

[SavedthroughChrist]

Homosexuals should be able to live life the way they want to. God will still accept them even though they are homosexual

 

[huj05]

We can an never will escape the consequences of wrong doing.

being an atheist, i havt to laugh at you here. The bible and every christian I have ever talked to has said otherwise. that you can repent your sins, and be one with the lord.

If you cant, then whats the point of trying to change people? if they cant escape the consequences then why waste your time helping them. You said they cant escape them

 

[Judy]

• Isaiah 5:20. Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
  21. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight![/*:m:d6ee1]

 

[huj05]

judy, would you care to explain that text there. It seems to contradict itself and it has confuzzled me again :

 

[KnarfKS]

I'm not defending Quath because I like his views, his ideas, his reason for being on this board, but there are a couple of people here acting like children because he won't agree with you.

He is not a Christian...I hope God saves him, but until then we are commanded to love him.

Judy, He is a prime example of love the sinner but hate the sin you were talking about earlier. You can separate the two, otherwise you and I are completely at odds with God and going to hell, we are not perfect, just under God's grace.

What if quath turned into a modern day Paul? Persicuting Christians to most well known evangelist of all time.

I was completely against God before I came to Christ. I would used gideons bibles to roll joints, I hated God...I questioned Christians, made fun of them, my friend and I even stole a baby Jesus from a church nativity scene. I hit bottom after I realized that there was nothing to live for, but then a friend brought me to Christ and my life has completely changed.

Who is worst him or me???

Neither, we have both sinned as anyone looking at this board has. I have just accepted Christ and he has wiped away my sin. Is it because you or I were better people that we were saved...nope, God just had mercy on us.

Sorry to all for sort of going off topic

 

[huj05]

:P this is why i dont hate all christians :p because there are always a good lot of ya hiding somewhere.