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What Was Your First Word?

Where have you been hiding!!! Good to see you in here again.
Hello. Good to see you.
Me and Ralph have been traveling the world.
It may not be too long before we're off to the ends of the world again.
Since the world is really flat we can only go so far then we have to come back.
 
Hello. Good to see you.
Me and Ralph have been traveling the world.
It may not be too long before we're off to the ends of the world again.
Since the world is really flat we can only go so far then we have to come back.



I sure hope that you're joking.





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King James English.




LOL!! I'm pretty sure that it was translated from another language. :lol Possibly Hebrew? :confused
 
Hello. Good to see you.
Me and Ralph have been traveling the world.
It may not be too long before we're off to the ends of the world again.
Since the world is really flat we can only go so far then we have to come back.

OK, just don't get to close to the edge as sometimes the ground gives out from under you. :eek2
 
You know this topic got me thinking,.. that I wonder what the universal language was before God decided to change it and make it so we don't all speak the same language. :chin

Interesting question.

According to Jewish tradition as recorded in the Midrashim the first language was called Adamic language spoken by Adam in the Garden of Eden. It was either the language used by God to address Adam or a language Adam made up to name all the animals and speak to Eve.

It's hard to say if that language evolved naturally into the Chaldaic and later the Aramaic as they are all forms of what makes up the Hebrew dialect. Abraham was the first to be called a Hebrew, Genesis 14:13, and he spoke Chaldaic plus many other languages.
 
Hi there.

Thank you for your kind welcome. I do hope you never have to sling me out :nono



If the staff around here can put up with me (a marbless lunatic :lol ) then I'm sure that you probably don't have any thing to worry about. :) Btw, I've nearly been here for two years now for the record. :wink
 
If the staff around here can put up with me (a marbless lunatic ) then I'm sure that you probably don't have any thing to worry about. :) Btw, I've nearly been here for two years now for the record.

I'm almost 74....what's your excuse for being marbleless......apart from the fact that you've been here for two years?
 
Interesting question.

According to Jewish tradition as recorded in the Midrashim the first language was called Adamic language spoken by Adam in the Garden of Eden. It was either the language used by God to address Adam or a language Adam made up to name all the animals and speak to Eve.

It's hard to say if that language evolved naturally into the Chaldaic and later the Aramaic as they are all forms of what makes up the Hebrew dialect. Abraham was the first to be called a Hebrew, Genesis 14:13, and he spoke Chaldaic plus many other languages.
What I can tell you is that Hebrew is a unique language in that there are no "bad words" or titles/labels in the language. IOW if you wanted to call someone a prostitute the word would either be a euphamism or a loan word from another language. Even more odd that it is completely a metaphoric/pictographic language with phonetic sounds.

And as far as the many languages goes...
Again it wasn't something Shazam and instant. Different crafts and trades usually create a language all their own to communicate effectively. (I speak electrician) Those people outside of the craft or trade skill understand that the people are saying something but have no idea as to what is being said. (People who aren't electricians understand nothing when I speak with another electrician) And in the instance of Babylon it must have become extreme.

"Hebrew" itself is a tie into the other languages as it was the "trader's" language. The word "Hebrew" itself means homeless wanderer...and usually wasn't in a positive context. People didn't travel outside of family units and tribal boundaries. So the only reason they would be homeless is if they were kicked out of their families and tribes. (Big doings)
Joseph became "Hebrew" when sold by his brothers into slavery. His home in Canaan was over.
 
Lost them back when I was a kid and I just never had them replaced.

That'll be because you're a Methodist.

I was raised a Baptist - Rhondda Valley, South Wales. The place was crowded with chapels, and these included both Wesleyan and Primitive Methodists. Kids of the former used to joke that the latter had 'madness in their Method!' Don't ask me why.......kid humour, of the: 'Why did the chicken cross the road?.........For some foul reason'...kind! Ah, me. :shame
 
That'll be because you're a Methodist.

I was raised a Baptist - Rhondda Valley, South Wales. The place was crowded with chapels, and these included both Wesleyan and Primitive Methodists. Kids of the former used to joke that the latter had 'madness in their Method!' Don't ask me why.......kid humour, of the: 'Why did the chicken cross the road?.........For some foul reason'...kind! Ah, me. :shame



The madness of a Methodist, I love it! :biggrin So obviously you're not a Baptist anymore because it says that you aren't a Christian.
 
The madness of a Methodist, I love it! So obviously you're not a Baptist anymore because it says that you aren't a Christian.

Permit me to begin by telling you a little of my paternal grandfather:

He was taken out of school at the age of ten, and set to work in the coal-mines (unlawful, but who cared?).

Using the local Miners’ Institute – centres of learning at that time (and being a book-worm) – he learned (among many other things) both Hebrew and Greek. His second great passion – Faith and Family together being his first – was music. Able to play both violin and piano – and to transpose written music into tonic-solfa for those who could not read music – he was appointed Musical Director of the Glanselsig Amateur Operatic Society. His favourite work was Handel’s Messiah. I can see him now, dressed in his black evening suit, white shirt, black dickie-bow, conducting a full chorus and orchestra, with his white baton; with every word, every note engraved in his heart. I have his baton, but none of his talent!

In the 1920’s a number of Italian families moved into Glamorgan and set up shops and cafes. One of these families (the Bassini’s) settled in Tynewydd (my home town).

When Italy declared war, and joined with Germany, the UK government issued an internment order against those it deemed to be ‘enemy civilians’. This included the Bassini’s. The husband (I knew him as Jack) was taken away, but his wife and children were allowed to remain in their home (they had a café and a fish and chip shop, located side-by-side).

One day, my grandfather was returning from work, only to discover a mob hurling abuse (and stones) at the Bassini’s and their home; at people they had once called friends. My grandfather told the mob to stop, and they did. Many years later the family’s eldest daughter (Maria) was accepted as a Carmelite nun; and my grandfather and grandmother were invited to attend the ceremony. A great honour.

My grandfather was an Elder at Blaencwm Chapel, in Tynewydd. The Elders employed the Minister.

When I was a teenager, one Minister visited my grandfather’s house while I was there. He was treated like royalty. My grandfather called him ‘Sir’. Later, I asked him why he had called this man ‘Sir’ after all, he was the Minister’s boss!

My grandfather smiled, and said: ‘I’m just an Elder. The Minister speaks the Word!’

When my grandfather died, several hundred men – of all ages – attended his funeral (women did not do so in those days). They filled the cemetery chapel, and many were weeping openly.

My grandfather was able to calm a howling mob – and move the hearts of many – not because of any legal authority (he had none), but because of his character; because of the person he was. He lived his Faith as it was meant to be lived. A Christian would say that he reflected the love of Jesus; and that it was this that made him a shining beacon to others. I would say that he reflected the love of God. He led by example rather than by argument.

He is, by far, the finest man I ever knew.

As for me: Raised a Baptist, I became, at the age of fifteen, a Catholic; and remained one for over fifty years.

For ten years I was a professed member of the Carmelite Third Order; and studied biblical and dogmatic theology, as well as other relevant stuff, with the aim of becoming a priest. I spent a year with the Carmelite Friars at Hazlewood Castle in Yorkshire (now a hotel); and over a year with the Cistercians (Trappists) at Mount Saint Bernard Abbey in Leicester, testing a vocation (I first visited the Abbey in my early twenties, and knew the community well). It became clear that life in a religious order was not my calling, and so I became a husband and father (as the Abbey Secretary said to me: ‘Our novitiate is a seedbed of good Catholic marriages!’). I look back at my time with the Carmelites and Cistercians with great affection. Even though I no longer share their doctrinal beliefs I admire their spirituality, and their honest convictions; and their way of life – especially that of the Cistercians. It has been my privilege to know many excellent Christians: paternal grandfather; priests, religious and laity. Each was an example of the best of their Faith.

About fourteen years ago my son became a Muslim. He obtained a degree in Classical Arabic; married a Moroccan lass (who I consider to be my third daughter); and now lives there. He is a translator of Qur’anic and aḥadīth exegesis; and of other scholarly works. One of my daughter-in-law’s ancestors, ʻAbd al-Salām ibn Mashīsh al-ʻAlamī, was the spiritual guide of Abu al-Hasan ash-Shadhili, founder of the Shadhili Tariqa. My son is a Sufi of that Tariqa; and a murīd of Seyyed Hossein Nasr.

Having gained a Muslim family I made it my business to learn all I could about Islam (I’m still learning). It was during this long process (around nine years) that I began to question certain Christian beliefs I once held as true; and which I had defended many times over the years. Moving from Christianity to Islam was a painful journey (emotionally); but it was the right journey……at least for me.

And that’s about it, I guess!
 
Permit me to begin by telling you a little of my paternal grandfather:

He was taken out of school at the age of ten, and set to work in the coal-mines (unlawful, but who cared?).

Using the local Miners’ Institute – centres of learning at that time (and being a book-worm) – he learned (among many other things) both Hebrew and Greek. His second great passion – Faith and Family together being his first – was music. Able to play both violin and piano – and to transpose written music into tonic-solfa for those who could not read music – he was appointed Musical Director of the Glanselsig Amateur Operatic Society. His favourite work was Handel’s Messiah. I can see him now, dressed in his black evening suit, white shirt, black dickie-bow, conducting a full chorus and orchestra, with his white baton; with every word, every note engraved in his heart. I have his baton, but none of his talent!

In the 1920’s a number of Italian families moved into Glamorgan and set up shops and cafes. One of these families (the Bassini’s) settled in Tynewydd (my home town).

When Italy declared war, and joined with Germany, the UK government issued an internment order against those it deemed to be ‘enemy civilians’. This included the Bassini’s. The husband (I knew him as Jack) was taken away, but his wife and children were allowed to remain in their home (they had a café and a fish and chip shop, located side-by-side).

One day, my grandfather was returning from work, only to discover a mob hurling abuse (and stones) at the Bassini’s and their home; at people they had once called friends. My grandfather told the mob to stop, and they did. Many years later the family’s eldest daughter (Maria) was accepted as a Carmelite nun; and my grandfather and grandmother were invited to attend the ceremony. A great honour.

My grandfather was an Elder at Blaencwm Chapel, in Tynewydd. The Elders employed the Minister.

When I was a teenager, one Minister visited my grandfather’s house while I was there. He was treated like royalty. My grandfather called him ‘Sir’. Later, I asked him why he had called this man ‘Sir’ after all, he was the Minister’s boss!

My grandfather smiled, and said: ‘I’m just an Elder. The Minister speaks the Word!’

When my grandfather died, several hundred men – of all ages – attended his funeral (women did not do so in those days). They filled the cemetery chapel, and many were weeping openly.

My grandfather was able to calm a howling mob – and move the hearts of many – not because of any legal authority (he had none), but because of his character; because of the person he was. He lived his Faith as it was meant to be lived. A Christian would say that he reflected the love of Jesus; and that it was this that made him a shining beacon to others. I would say that he reflected the love of God. He led by example rather than by argument.

He is, by far, the finest man I ever knew.

As for me: Raised a Baptist, I became, at the age of fifteen, a Catholic; and remained one for over fifty years.

For ten years I was a professed member of the Carmelite Third Order; and studied biblical and dogmatic theology, as well as other relevant stuff, with the aim of becoming a priest. I spent a year with the Carmelite Friars at Hazlewood Castle in Yorkshire (now a hotel); and over a year with the Cistercians (Trappists) at Mount Saint Bernard Abbey in Leicester, testing a vocation (I first visited the Abbey in my early twenties, and knew the community well). It became clear that life in a religious order was not my calling, and so I became a husband and father (as the Abbey Secretary said to me: ‘Our novitiate is a seedbed of good Catholic marriages!’). I look back at my time with the Carmelites and Cistercians with great affection. Even though I no longer share their doctrinal beliefs I admire their spirituality, and their honest convictions; and their way of life – especially that of the Cistercians. It has been my privilege to know many excellent Christians: paternal grandfather; priests, religious and laity. Each was an example of the best of their Faith.

About fourteen years ago my son became a Muslim. He obtained a degree in Classical Arabic; married a Moroccan lass (who I consider to be my third daughter); and now lives there. He is a translator of Qur’anic and aḥadīth exegesis; and of other scholarly works. One of my daughter-in-law’s ancestors, ʻAbd al-Salām ibn Mashīsh al-ʻAlamī, was the spiritual guide of Abu al-Hasan ash-Shadhili, founder of the Shadhili Tariqa. My son is a Sufi of that Tariqa; and a murīd of Seyyed Hossein Nasr.

Having gained a Muslim family I made it my business to learn all I could about Islam (I’m still learning). It was during this long process (around nine years) that I began to question certain Christian beliefs I once held as true; and which I had defended many times over the years. Moving from Christianity to Islam was a painful journey (emotionally); but it was the right journey……at least for me.

And that’s about it, I guess!





Whoa,.. that was WAY too much reading for me! (I have learning disabilities) The last sentence I got, but the rest was basically this:



 
ROFL (at the Charlie Brown). Sorry to have stressed you Us oldies do tend to go on a bit....especially the Welsh ones!





That's alright, I'm just glad that I didn't offend you. That's what I heard back in Social Studies class all the time (and I was acting like the girl,.. I think that's Peppermint Patty) as well so don't take it personally. :lol
 
That's alright, I'm just glad that I didn't offend you. That's what I heard back in Social Studies class all the time (and I was acting like the girl,.. I think that's Peppermint Patty) as well so don't take it personally.

Be at peace. No offence taken.
 
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