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Whats your thoughts on the covid vaccine?
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My wife and I got Covid and took Z Paks and It was gone in a couple of days.
Thanks for the recommendation!
- Dec 11, 2010
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This is true, however, there's a difference between the typical vaccines that have been developed over the decades using time tested processes vs the MRNA vaccines. The typical vaccines were often developed using a weakend form of the actual viruses and the medical community had a track record to understand the process. The MRNA technology is a totally different thing from typical vaccines and until developed for Covid, it was never used on human subjects before. And, particularly since the approval process had not at least been through the mill so-to-speak, the use of the vaccine was rushed.I dunno
I guess it’s every person for himself in modern society. Historically people have often rejoiced when vaccines became available for deadly illnesses…
Any time I rush through a project or task, I can bet there's a good potential I might make mistakes. I think the same holds true for medical breakthroughs. We have to be allowed to make our own decisions with regard to our own lives.
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Yes, that's the heart of your confusion. Even the chart you presented shows that unvaccinated people died at twice the rate of vaccinated people. Only about 20% of Americans remain unvaccinated. But that group accounted for about 40% of the deaths from COVID-19.
You've confused total deaths with death rates.
Here's the facts you deleted from that article:
"we still see that unvaccinated people are at much greater risk of death and other severe outcomes than people the same age who have stayed up-to-date on boosters. Older people are at greater risk for severe illness and death from COVID-19 than younger people, but vaccines and boosters still lower that risk substantially."
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There's always a risk even with new vaccines using old technology.
- Jul 13, 2012
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You don’t understand the chart put out by the CDC.
July 2023
The Gold represents Covid deaths who are vaccinated with booster - 38% of the deaths were those who were vaccinated with booster.
The Green represents Covid deaths who are vaccinated with primary series of Covid vaccines. 23%
That’s 23% of Covid deaths were attributed to those who were vaccinated with the primary series of the Covid vaccines.
Totalling 61% of Covid deaths were attributed to those who were vaccinated.
As the article reads 6 out of 10.
What wasn’t taken into consideration is all the “sudden deaths” that occurred from people taking the Vaccine.
Tens of Millions of innocent people who were not sick, and who trusted the main stream media and politicians to give them good medical advice were killed because the Vaccine was the disease.
The vaccine killed many more than the disease.
- Apr 2, 2003
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Ah, here is the chart. You simply do not understand the data, despite this having been dealt with many times, such as HERE. It's like you're not even reading the articles, but just keep repeating your position based on not understanding what you're reading, because you're selectively reading and taking things completely out of context.
In the article Barbarian linked to, here is one of the sub-headlines: "Unvaccinated 11 to 17 times more likely to die." He even pointed out that the article you linked to states that unvaccinated people are twice as likely to die. What is it that you don't understand here?
I've pointed out to you previously that this is the base rate fallacy--HERE, for instance--which I already mentioned earlier in THIS thread. You would do well to learn this once and for all so that you stop spreading misinformation and disinformation. What matters is the percentage of the population that were vaccinated versus those unvaccinated. I'm certain that the previous numbers I provided are still in the ballpark: the unvaxxed were 3-4 times more likely to die from COVID, more likely to get COVID, more likely to be hospitalized, and much more likely to be in the ICU.
The article that you're referring to even gives us the answer to the question that the title asks:
"What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?
There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths."
Or, you could have just read the conclusion:
"Conclusion
It would be a misrepresentation of the finding to say it is evidence against vaccination. This finding actually underscores the importance of staying up-to-date on boosters.
According to CDC, people ages 12 and older who have had a bivalent booster shot have a 15 times lower risk of death than an unvaccinated person.
CDC and other researchers have shown boosters are highly effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths, including among those most vulnerable to COVID-19. CDC now recommends the updated bivalent booster shot for everyone ages 5 year and above."
The article supports everything Barbarian is saying and soundly refutes your position. You literally have to be purposely trying not to understand. I don't get it.
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The Gold represents Covid deaths who are vaccinated with booster - 38% of the deaths were those who were vaccinated with booster.
The Green represents Covid deaths who are vaccinated with primary series of Covid vaccines. 23%
That’s 23% of Covid deaths were attributed to those who were vaccinated with the primary series of the Covid vaccines.
Totalling 61% of Covid deaths were attributed to those who were vaccinated.
As the article reads 6 out of 10.
- Apr 2, 2003
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At this point, you can only be wilfully ignoring the article, as it soundly refutes your position, showing it to be a denial of reality. You are engaging in purposeful misinformation, which is disinformation, and is very unbecoming of one who claims to be a follower of Christ. You're also still refusing to use sound reasoning, preferring to continue to appeal to the base rate fallacy.
Anyone can read the article here: https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/
Again, quoted right from the article:
"What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?
There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths.
During the early rollout of vaccines, vaccinated people represented a small share of total deaths, but experts warned that the share would likely rise simply because vaccinated people were representing a growing share of the population. In other words, if 100% of people in the U.S. were vaccinated, vaccinated people would represent 100% of COVID-19 deaths. Similarly, as the share of the population with a booster rose somewhat during 2022, the share of deaths among boosted people also rose. COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe illness and death, but they are not perfect, so deaths among vaccinated people will still occur."
"Conclusion
It would be a misrepresentation of the finding to say it is evidence against vaccination. This finding actually underscores the importance of staying up-to-date on boosters.
According to CDC, people ages 12 and older who have had a bivalent booster shot have a 15 times lower risk of death than an unvaccinated person.
CDC and other researchers have shown boosters are highly effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths, including among those most vulnerable to COVID-19. CDC now recommends the updated bivalent booster shot for everyone ages 5 year and above."
Barbarian
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It should be noted that one thing that skews the numbers is that the vaccine tends to be taken by people who are at high risk of death from COVID-19 infection. But even ignoring that, the death rate among the unvaccinated is twice that of the vaccinated.
Who would go against odds like that?
Who would go against odds like that?
Barbarian
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The Epoch Times is hardly a reliable medical journal. (Barbarian checks)
We found no evidence supporting a short-term effect of the pandemic on sCJD incidence.
Effect of SARS-CoV-2 incidence and immunisation rates on sporadic
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease incidence
Hermann P, Böhnke J, Bunck T, Goebel S, Jaeger VK, Karch A, Zerr I
ISSN: 0251-5350 (Print), eISSN: 1423-0208 (Online)
Neuroepidemiology
While any contact with beef or products derived from beef can potentially cause CJD, there has been no evidence that prions exist in any vaccination products. Massive vaccinations in Europe show no increase in CJD. Present vaccines have no beef-derived material at all.
Vaccines and Variant CJD (vCJD) Questions and Answers
CBER regulates biological products including vaccines. For several years CBER has recommended that bovine derived components from countries which have or may have BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy, the so called "mad cow disease") not be used for the manufacture of US-licensed biological...
Epoch Times is notorious for fake news. This is another example.
