Where Are You?

[jasonc]

jews don't bow to each other nor handshake traditionally. watch what the isrealis do. they kiss each other on the cheeks like the arabs do and the French. that depends on where the jews are living. not likely to see that in america

 

[Deborah13]

he would bow first but he didn't. he was respecting our customs. and Obama didn't honor that. that could be taken as an insult.

Sounds like confusion. But they seemed to get along alright, didn't they?

 

[Deborah13]

jews don't bow to each other nor handshake traditionally. watch what the isrealis do. they kiss each other on the cheeks like the arabs do and the French. that depends on where the jews are living. not likely to see that in america

I know Jews don't.

 

[jasonc]

Sounds like confusion. But they seemed to get along alright, didn't they?

i have heard of no problems. i think without looking into that,that Obama was set up to fail. his men didn't tell him what to do or that he went against their protocol. i don't know off the top of my head. i think he knew and broke protocol and that what is getting him hammered for that stuff.

 

[Edward]

I can't say that I believe him but I not about to call him a liar either. And I'm not about to claim that he is a Muslim either.


From those snippets I heard a politician walking around in Arab robes, holding the hand of a Saudi prince, and kissing his cheek.
As far as him bowing, he bowed to the leader of Japan as well. It's a custom in the east, it does not signify that on the world stage they are above you. But that you are in their country, where they are the leader, so you follow their customs.

I'm not calling him a liar, that's just what I've heard. This is actually the first time I heard him called a Christian, lol.

...and, you may be wrong about the bowing to him on stage! All leaders which go before the camera play the dominance game for the worlds cameras! They did a news story (and an article!) on it even. It's the body language thing that says palm down for dominance (right side handshake)...and all these guys know about it. They take a lot of those shaking hands pictures with other world leaders and that's one thing that those guys can actually do for their country, to show dominance in person to to other world leaders on camera to their nation. (they even said that, because many times it's only spokesman, and other times it's the leaders themselves (spokesman do it too, lol.)

I kid you not Deb.

 

[Deborah13]

I'm not calling him a liar, that's just what I've heard. This is actually the first time I heard him called a Christian, lol.

...and, you may be wrong about the bowing to him on stage! All leaders which go before the camera play the dominance game for the worlds cameras! They did a news story (and an article!) on it even. It's the body language thing that says palm down for dominance (right side handshake)...and all these guys know about it. They take a lot of those shaking hands pictures with other world leaders and that's one thing that those guys can actually do for their country, to show dominance in person to to other world leaders on camera to their nation. (they even said that, because many times it's only spokesman, and other times it's the leaders themselves (spokesman do it too, lol.)

I kid you not Deb.

LOL, you know it isn't any different in the male animal world. There is always a lot of posturing. But male animals usually back off before there is too much serious damage done to either one.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Because he's the president, the media is watching Obama's every move, and every time he does or says something that they interpret as negative, it's on the front page. Could your walk with Christ stand up to that kind of scrutiny? Do all of your actions prove that you are a Christian, or would it be just as "obvious" that you're not a Christian if we looked close enough? I know I wouldn't want people examining my life as closely as Obama's is.

We are commanded to live for God (1Thes. 4) and to forsake all else and we are commanded to Judge (Matt. 7) and then Jesus taught us how to judge. (Matt. 7:15-17)

The great Pretender has lied like a snake in tall grass, has with a suitcase of lies he has sold the American worker into complete and utter poverty, has repeatedly lied either about being a Muslim or about being a Christian and has intentionally desecrated the American military. He is the deceiver!

 

[jasonc]

We are commanded to live for God (1Thes. 4) and to forsake all else and we are commanded to Judge (Matt. 7) and then Jesus taught us how to judge. (Matt. 7:15-17)

The great Pretender has lied like a snake in tall grass, has with a suitcase of lies he has sold the American worker into complete and utter poverty, has repeatedly lied either about being a Muslim or about being a Christian and has intentionally desecrated the American military. He is the deceiver!

i want to nic pic this. the dod leadership he appoints only and the secretaries as well of each service, with congressional approval. blame him and congress, with the incumbents that are still around from that time. remember his first dod sectarary that remained after bush? he wasn't any different by large then under bush. bush started doing a lot of things that Obama continued and made it worse.

ie some of the roe i hate was under bush first.
1) calling in an officer in the remf area to request to fire even if engaged first.
2) the hesistation in the later terms of bush's term to respond enemy fire from a building while in a convoy and civilians might or might not be in said building.


i know its a grey area and its not that simple with this but its what i don't like.

 

[Edward]

What are you thinking of that he has done that is not Christian like, in his personal life since he says he became a Christian.
Because remember as President he does not just represent Christians but all the people in the country.

I would have no idea about his private life.(Is this something new that Obama has said?!)

But keeping in mind that Obama does represent all the people in the country, when those cameras roll they're on and they know it, they go for it. for everyone. The image of a strong nation. They may blurb out their own thoughts at times, but they're instructed on camera etiquette (body language) to give off strong vibes. I have a hard time grasping that Obama bowing to another world leader...meant nothing. Something as big as a bow to them...(how serious was it taken in their culture?!). I'd bet $ that there was more significance behind that bow than is let on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Pre...niv&sa=X&ei=PW-0VJzkJMGkNrnggqgF&ved=0CDIQ7Ak

There's lot's of stuff in there!

 

[jasonc]

I would have no idea about his private life.(Is this something new that Obama has said?!)

But keeping in mind that Obama does represent all the people in the country, when those cameras roll they're on and they know it, they go for it. for everyone. The image of a strong nation. They may blurb out their own thoughts at times, but they're instructed on camera etiquette (body language) to give off strong vibes. I have a hard time grasping that Obama bowing to another world leader...meant nothing. Something as big as a bow to them...(how serious was it taken in their culture?!). I'd bet $ that there was more significance behind that bow than is let on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Presidential handshake photos&espv=2&biw=1164&bih=839&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PW-0VJzkJMGkNrnggqgF&ved=0CDIQ7Ak

There's lot's of stuff in there!

japan is still very patricharchial in nature. with manhood each culture defines what is masculine. the pharaohs of moses day wore makeup, and could wield a sword. how many men today can do that in combat and don't wear make up? not many. we have our guns of course but the point remains the same.

japan is odd, really odd. the samurai were very strong and deadly, read poetry and gay by some accounts.

 

[Deborah13]

I would have no idea about his private life.(Is this something new that Obama has said?!)

But keeping in mind that Obama does represent all the people in the country, when those cameras roll they're on and they know it, they go for it. for everyone. The image of a strong nation. They may blurb out their own thoughts at times, but they're instructed on camera etiquette (body language) to give off strong vibes. I have a hard time grasping that Obama bowing to another world leader...meant nothing. Something as big as a bow to them...(how serious was it taken in their culture?!). I'd bet $ that there was more significance behind that bow than is let on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Presidential handshake photos&espv=2&biw=1164&bih=839&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PW-0VJzkJMGkNrnggqgF&ved=0CDIQ7Ak

There's lot's of stuff in there!

You said,
"It's pretty obvious that Barack Obama is not a Christian due to his actions,"
I'm asking...
What actions? You see I can't put my finger on anything that I can think of. There are things that I don't like but the closest I can come to is sitting in a racist church. Other than that I can't think of anything specific. So I was wondering what tells you that.
But never mind.

 

[th1b.taylor]

i want to nic pic this. the dod leadership he appoints only and the secretaries as well of each service, with congressional approval. blame him and congress, with the incumbents that are still around from that time. remember his first dod sectarary that remained after bush? he wasn't any different by large then under bush. bush started doing a lot of things that Obama continued and made it worse.

ie some of the roe i hate was under bush first.
1) calling in an officer in the remf area to request to fire even if engaged first.
2) the hesistation in the later terms of bush's term to respond enemy fire from a building while in a convoy and civilians might or might not be in said building.


i know its a grey area and its not that simple with this but its what i don't like.

We didn't like the rules of engagement when flying Fire Fly on the river all night either and these rules, I would have hoped were changed under Bush but in truth, these engagement rules are the left overs from President L. B. Johnson. My crew was not the only Fire Fly crew to spend the next day in a 150 degree Conex Container while CID investigated the Mini Gun sinking of a small boat on the river, illegally at 3 am and shooting at us with a Chinese .51 cal. machine gun. When the enemy engaged us, we lit the river up with tracers. And the village chief, routinely, accused us of murder any time there was a night engagement and we had to wait for Saigon Control to reach a general to get us permission to shoot but at the first tracer, I killed the whole crew and sunk their craft. I would do it again, even if the Brown Water Navy was not close enough to see their tracers go up first.

 

[jasonc]

You said,
"It's pretty obvious that Barack Obama is not a Christian due to his actions,"
I'm asking...
What actions? You see I can't put my finger on anything that I can think of. There are things that I don't like but the closest I can come to is sitting in a racist church. Other than that I can't think of anything specific. So I was wondering what tells you that.
But never mind.

didn't he mock the bible?

 

[turnorburn]

It doesn't matter if the man is Muslim he's just doing what he was hired to do, he's just one of many bringing in the new world order.. in my opinion he is..

tob

 

[jasonc]

We didn't like the rules of engagement when flying Fire Fly on the river all night either and these rules, I would have hoped were changed under Bush but in truth, these engagement rules are the left overs from President L. B. Johnson. My crew was not the only Fire Fly crew to spend the next day in a 150 degree Conex Container while CID investigated the Mini Gun sinking of a small boat on the river, illegally at 3 am and shooting at us with a Chinese .51 cal. machine gun. When the enemy engaged us, we lit the river up with tracers. And the village chief, routinely, accused us of murder any time there was a night engagement and we had to wait for Saigon Control to reach a general to get us permission to shoot but at the first tracer, I killed the whole crew and sunk their craft. I would do it again, even if the Brown Water Navy was not close enough to see their tracers go up first.

yes there is a lot of things left from that era. we have done nation building for too long. i understand at times we must. that concept goes back to the civil war. the problem is that we can win the war but if the enemy drags it out and plays the media as the nva did and with the help of the socialist hippies. we will loose every time. how does one bombe the enemy and beat him into submission for peace then give him what he wanted? i hold Nixon for that one. in part he isn't at fault as that was a campaign promise. if we are going to fight, fight to win.

 

[jasonc]

We didn't like the rules of engagement when flying Fire Fly on the river all night either and these rules, I would have hoped were changed under Bush but in truth, these engagement rules are the left overs from President L. B. Johnson. My crew was not the only Fire Fly crew to spend the next day in a 150 degree Conex Container while CID investigated the Mini Gun sinking of a small boat on the river, illegally at 3 am and shooting at us with a Chinese .51 cal. machine gun. When the enemy engaged us, we lit the river up with tracers. And the village chief, routinely, accused us of murder any time there was a night engagement and we had to wait for Saigon Control to reach a general to get us permission to shoot but at the first tracer, I killed the whole crew and sunk their craft. I would do it again, even if the Brown Water Navy was not close enough to see their tracers go up first.

sadly many today would go home after some time in leavonworth.

 

[Deborah13]

didn't he mock the bible?

Not that I have ever heard. I heard him say in a speech at a college maybe, it was a video on here. What I heard was that we are not living in the OT or by OT laws as far as stoning, etc. I didn't take it like he was mocking the Bible. I think he said, which OT laws should we be living by today, stoning, etc.
Nothing I can think of that I haven't heard Christians say right here in this forum pertaining to OT law. But there may be something I haven't heard. That's why I am asking others. idk

 

[jasonc]

Not that I have ever heard. I heard him say in a speech at a college maybe, it was a video on here. What I heard was that we are not living in the OT or by OT laws as far as stoning, etc. I didn't take it like he was mocking the Bible. I think he said, which OT laws should we be living by today, stoning, etc.

i recall him saying that romans was obsolete. romans 1 in particular.

 

[Deborah13]

It doesn't matter if the man is Muslim he's just doing what he was hired to do, he's just one of many bringing in the new world order.. in my opinion he is..

tob

This there somewhere in this video time wise that you can point me to. I watched a few mins. of it in the past but didn't hear anything new, anything that says to me that he is Muslim or not a Christian. What did you hear?

 

[th1b.taylor]

It doesn't matter if the man is Muslim he's just doing what he was hired to do, he's just one of many bringing in the new world order.. in my opinion he is..

tob

No, he was hired to protect the citizens of the United States and that, he is not doing. God put him in the office because it is time for the Ezekiel Option (Exe. 37-39) to come into play. For that to happen the Us Must be weak and not willing or able to help Israel. God does not tell us to approve of the scoundrels He uses to spank us, He wants us to endure and to grow in the faith, in spite of these miserable examples of humanity. A whole Bible takes a life time but is so rich in content and lessons.