[_ Old Earth _] Where Did the Idea of a Flat Earth Originate?

[Rollo Tamasi]

The stars literally are able to fight and have souls ? yes the stars fought against sisera in their courses.all billions of them landing on the earth and fought sisera .

I'm following this.
Do you have Scripture or is this Jewish myth?

 

[Edward]

I'm following this.
Do you have Scripture or is this Jewish myth?

I haven't really heard that, so don't know about that, but there are a few scriptures which made me think that perhaps the stars (heavens) may be conscious and can speak. So, maybe they can fight too?

Plenty of testimonies from people say that grass and flowers are alive and can sing & talk in heaven. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that it is true.

 

[jasonc]

I'm following this.
Do you have Scripture or is this Jewish myth?

sure

judges 5:20

you take it literally ?

 

[Barbarian]

Still waiting to see that explanation for the way a Foucault pendulum or the Coriolis effect works on a flat Earth.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

sure

judges 5:20

you take it literally ?

Okay, they fought that battle.
Why did you say they have souls?
Why do you say billions of them landed on earth?

 

[jasonc]

Okay, they fought that battle.
Why did you say they have souls?
Why do you say billions of them landed on earth?

for why else will a star fight? its an object , a mass of gas. the term is plural.

the dragon with his tail smote the heavens an on third of the stars fell to the earth. so that might mean billions of stars will in that vision. when its talking about falling men in power .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Still waiting to see that explanation for the way a Foucault pendulum or the Coriolis effect works on a flat Earth.

Why do you need an explanation of something nobody understands.
Where's your faith?
Believe that God makes it all work just like the Bible tells us.
The Bible is our guide.
Why do we want to tell God his book is wrong?
Let's all agree together that God's Word, the Bible, is true.
Amen.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

for why else will a star fight? its an object , a mass of gas. the term is plural.

the dragon with his tail smote the heavens an on third of the stars fell to the earth. so that might mean billions of stars will in that vision. when its talking about falling men in power .

Okay, you want to believe billions of stars fell on the earth.
And they all have souls?
Interesting.
Anything else?

 

[jasonc]

Okay, you want to believe billions of stars fell on the earth.
And they all have souls?
Interesting.
Anything else?

You claim to take the bible literally . why would a star not have any reason to fight a man ?

it's a literal ,it's a Jewish idiom meaning the twelve tribes of isreal fought against sisera

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You claim to take the bible literally . why would a star not have any reason to fight a man ?

it's a literal ,it's a Jewish idiom meaning the twelve tribes of isreal fought against sisera

Okay, I believe you.
Teach me.
And then show me how the Earth is flat.

 

[jasonc]

Okay, I believe you.
Teach me.
And then show me how the Earth is flat.

im not a flat earther. that's not probably going to get a support from me.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

im not a flat earther. that's not probably going to get a support from me.

Are you against people believing in a flat earth?

 

[jasonc]

Are you against people believing in a flat earth?

if they want me to support that belief, then no. im not going to.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

if they want me to support that belief, then no. im not going to.

Are you standing on flat ground right now?
Where's the curve?
There isn't one, is there, but you don't want to go against your third grade teacher, do you?
She was too pretty.
You had a crush on her.
Now you will believe in a round earth forever!

 

[jasonc]

Are you standing on flat ground right now?
Where's the curve?
There isn't one, is there, but you don't want to go against your third grade teacher, do you?
She was too pretty.
You had a crush on her.
Now you will believe in a round earth forever!

I remember her but no I wasn't into her. no where I am isn't flat. ugh. you really think our state is flat. yes in comparision to a mountainous state but I will use topos an contours to find things. the highest point in my area is a few miles away. I have taken numerous photos of it. the rr tracts follow this natural ridge .

so yes , we know. funny the explorers use a globe an sextant that an later on for surveying were pretty accurate.

 

[Jacks Bratt]

Okay, you want to believe billions of stars fell on the earth.
And they all have souls?
Interesting.
Anything else?

I found this quite interesting. In the Book of Enoch it states that some stars did not obey and were put in a prison. I know that this is not canon, so don't worry. I just thing that this book is facinating and for Enoch, the one that God liked so much that He took him, to write this down is quite amazing to me... Here check it out Book 1 Chapter 18 verse 14.

1 I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation 2 and the firm foundations of the earth. And I saw the corner-stone of the earth: I saw the four 3 winds which bear [the earth and] the firmament of the heaven. And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars 4 of the heaven. I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and 5 all the stars to their setting. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths 6 of the angels. I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above. And I proceeded and saw a place which burns day and night, where there are seven mountains of magnificent stones, 7 three towards the east, and three towards the south. And as for those towards the east, was of coloured stone, and one of pearl, and one of jacinth, and those towards the south of red stone. 8 But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the 9,10 throne was of sapphire. And I saw a flaming fire. And beyond these mountains Is a region the end of the great earth: there the heavens were completed. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards 12 the height and towards the depth. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no 13 birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, 14 and to me, when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'

I find it fascinating that they are also called or alluded to as the host of heaven. Remember Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God?.... awesome and intriguing.

 

[Barbarian]

Why do you need an explanation of something nobody understands.

We do understand Foucault pendulums and why there's a Coriolis effect.

Where's your faith?

My faith is in God. He gave us intelligence to learn about this wonderful universe He made for us.

Believe that God makes it all work just like the Bible tells us.

The Bible doesn't tell us how it works. It tells us why it works. How it works is up to us to figure out.

The Bible is our guide.

As Galileo wrote, the Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.

Why do we want to tell God his book is wrong?

I've yet to see anything in science that is contradicted by the Bible. But there are a lot of personal interpretations that don't fit what nature shows us.

Let's all agree together that God's Word, the Bible, is true.

It is. It's just those people who add new ideas to it that make problems.

 

[Barbarian]

Notice that it doesn't matter a bit to your salvation whether or not you think the Earth is flat. It's just very destructive to Christianity, because people who might otherwise come to Him are put off by such stories about it being flat, when they know very well that it isn't.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I found this quite interesting. In the Book of Enoch it states that some stars did not obey and were put in a prison. I know that this is not canon, so don't worry. I just thing that this book is facinating and for Enoch, the one that God liked so much that He took him, to write this down is quite amazing to me... Here check it out Book 1 Chapter 18 verse 14.

1 I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation 2 and the firm foundations of the earth. And I saw the corner-stone of the earth: I saw the four 3 winds which bear [the earth and] the firmament of the heaven. And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars 4 of the heaven. I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and 5 all the stars to their setting. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths 6 of the angels. I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above. And I proceeded and saw a place which burns day and night, where there are seven mountains of magnificent stones, 7 three towards the east, and three towards the south. And as for those towards the east, was of coloured stone, and one of pearl, and one of jacinth, and those towards the south of red stone. 8 But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the 9,10 throne was of sapphire. And I saw a flaming fire. And beyond these mountains Is a region the end of the great earth: there the heavens were completed. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards 12 the height and towards the depth. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no 13 birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, 14 and to me, when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'

I find it fascinating that they are also called or alluded to as the host of heaven. Remember Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God?.... awesome and intriguing.

I find it interesting that we say Enoch is the author of the book by his name when at the time of his death, there was no known form of writing.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

We do understand Foucault pendulums and why there's a Coriolis effect.



My faith is in God. He gave us intelligence to learn about this wonderful universe He made for us.



The Bible doesn't tell us how it works. It tells us why it works. How it works is up to us to figure out.



As Galileo wrote, the Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.



I've yet to see anything in science that is contradicted by the Bible. But there are a lot of personal interpretations that don't fit what nature shows us.



It is. It's just those people who add new ideas to it that make problems.

The most important thing you've said here is that your faith is in God.
And I know you mean our God.
Therefore, we can leave our differences on this subject right there on the table.