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Where is Satan right now?

Vic C. said:
It has been both stressed and proven using Scripture. I see no problem with that. The onus is on those who want to use extra-biblical text to show us something that isn't there. Nothing more than what scripture is providing for us is being said. If there is hidden meaning there, then whose to say there isn't hidden meaning in Exodus or Joshua or even in the Messianic verses or in the NT itself?

Do we want to stretch this out so far we start treading into Gnostic territory? No, we don't and the Staff won't go for it.

1 Cor 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1 Cor 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

No you havent you seem to avoid any question/idea you cant deal with.....Why do the Hebrew manuscripts have a different word for "Adam" and "mankind"?????? My point exactlly..........
 
Ret said:
whirlwind said:
Part 3..............

  • * Genesis 1:20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." (24) And God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind:" and it was so. And God saw that it was good.

What is the "moving creature that hath life?" It isn't a whale as that is in the next verse. The "life" this creature has is "nephesh" which means "soul." :confused Consider too the beast of the earth. What are they? What is Satan called?

Notice that the "beasts" were "brought forth" (not created!), just as the "moving creature that hath life (soul)" wasn't created but was "brought forth" by the waters. Notice too that mankind was created after they were brought forth and mankind was given "dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth," [1:28] but not over the beasts!

Ummmmm WW.....Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 have different accounts about creation...

Gen 2:19
19 Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. NASU


Words of wisdom from Solomon....

Eccl 3:17-19
18 I said to myself concerning the sons of men, "God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts." 19 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. NASU


I know many believe Genesis 1 and 2 are two separate accounts of the same event but....I don't. :-)

However, this thread isn't to discuss that but rather is about when Satan came to earth. We know he is a beast...it is written. Is he of the beasts in Genesis 1? We know he was there in the next chapter. Notice in the verses you quoted that there are beasts of the earth and beasts of the field. Why? More is being shown than we are seeing.
 
Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

From these 2 verses it would seem that "beast" are people.......Surely God didnt place a cow a sheep and a dog in front of Adam and ask him to choose a wife.........And of course serpent/satan is smarter then all the animals,,,so why would that even need to be mentioned????It doesnt unless the beast of the field are very smart (that would eliminate animals)just not as smart as satan......I guess the next thing is to find out just "who" are the beast....I got a idea already,,, but we will see....
 
Beast: The greatest beast know to all the world is man. The beast is our carnal earthy nature, Hitler had it, so did George Washington and so do you and I; it is our fleshly mind; our intellect our human reasoning.

NIGHTMARE said:
Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

From these 2 verses it would seem that "beast" are people.......Surely God didnt place a cow a sheep and a dog in front of Adam and ask him to choose a wife.........And of course serpent/satan is smarter then all the animals,,,so why would that even need to be mentioned????It doesnt unless the beast of the field are very smart (that would eliminate animals)just not as smart as satan......I guess the next thing is to find out just "who" are the beast....I got a idea already,,, but we will see....
 
Part 4..........

The last segment ended with the question....


So, are the beasts of the earth in [Genesis 1:25] the fallen angels....including Satan? We know Satan was already in his fallen state when he tempted Eve in the garden so perhaps his rebellion was the war in heaven and they were cast out to earth before this age began. [Revelation 12:7-12]

Notice that the "beasts" were "brought forth" (not created!), just as the "moving creature that hath life (soul)" wasn't created but was "brought forth" by the waters. Notice too that mankind was created after they were brought forth and mankind was given "dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth," [1:28] but not over the beasts!


It is a thought provoking question. What does scripture tell us about the fallen angels who may well be...the beasts of the earth?

  • * Gen 6:1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose
.

The sons of God, angels, here the fallen angels, left their own habitation...where God had instructed them to bring forth "after his kind." But now...they were "bringing forth" a hybrid race. The offspring of the angels/humans was the giants. Was their "own habitation," their "first estate," under the earth?

  • * Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day
.

Satan is darkness. The fallen angels are chained under his power and influence until the great day. If I am correct in believing the time they were cast out of heaven and "unto the earth," was what was written of in....

  • * Revelation 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

We know he and the angels are/will be cast out...the question is...when? Is this history or future?
 
Part 5.............


Satan and the fallen angels are cast out of heaven into the earth as written of in [Revelation 12:7-9] What else are we told of their "habitation?"

  • * Ezekiel 26:20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;

    Revelation 9:1-2 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. (11) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


That Scripture shows us that the bottomless pit is now locked so I assume that means Satan and his angels can no longer walk freely on earth or in heaven. Perhaps that happened when Jesus instructed him to "get behind me." Although, his spirit is still free as is evidenced today.


  • * Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So Satan is released for his tribulation, during which time the witnesses testify and...are killed.

  • * Revelation 17:7-8 And the angel said unto me, "Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


There are two beasts written of in those verses. The beast that carries the great whore is operating on earth now and has been for a long, long time. It is "the beast that thou sawest," which is the second beast...Satan, who is presently locked in the bottomless pit. He is the beast that was (from the first age when he rebelled against God), and is not (is now locked away), and yet is (his spirit is still at work and he himself will be released). This second beast is written of in the following......

  • * Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Satan is the great deceiver and he deceives by pretending to be Jesus. When he is released from the pit, (up out of the earth), he will appear to be the Lamb with power (horns mean power) that God allows him. He will appear as Jesus and yet....he is the dragon. Just as an angel freed the beast Satan from the bottomless pit....one comes again to.....

  • * Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Although Satan is presently locked away we know it isn't the millennium for the nations are certainly being deceived.
 
Part 6.....................

Satan, now locked away, was free at one time to roam heaven and earth:


  • * Job 1:6-7 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, "Whence comest thou?" Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going * to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
( * see below for meaning of to and fro)

Satan is also a "son of God," an angel. The 2nd witness to that is in [Job 2:1-2] When was the "day" in which Satan both walked up and down in earth and presented himself before God? Was this before his fall or during this present age before he was locked in the pit?

  • * Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

That is interesting. It is the first beast, a one world system, that makes "war with the saints." The forty-two months is three and one half years, which I assume is the same three and one half years the witnesses teach and the woman is in the wilderness. All happening at one time.

  • * Daniel 12:11-12 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days..

1,290 days or 1,335 days. A difference of 45 days. :chin The 1,290 days is also 3 1/2 years and also 42 months. Is this the same time being taught of in Revelation or something different? Blessed are those that wait until the 1,335 days. What do those 45 days, or 1 1/2 months, signify? :confused

Does the Daniel verse mean....that when the daily sacrifice is taken away is when Satan's beast will take control? The worship of Christ will be transferred to that of Satan? That may well be the setting up of the first beast, the worldly system. What is being said?

  • * Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run * to and fro( turn aside, apostasize, revolt ), and knowledge ( calamities or wickedness ) shall be increased.'

The first beast of [Rev.13:1], I believe, is already "set up" but the "abomination that maketh desolate," the second beast of [Rev.13:11], will be set up during the last three and one half years of this age. He won't arrive then but his kingdom will be in full operation when he himself arrives.


  • * Malachi 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.' "

Where are we told about the "setting up" of the system that controls God's children....keeping them as slaves to Egypt?

  • * Zechariah 1:18-21 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns. And I said unto the angel that talked with me, "What be these?" And he answered me, "These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem."

Horns are symbolic of power. The powers/horns that control this world, under Satan's leadership, are politics, education, finance and religion.

That is the one world system in operation today and comes to it's full power during the last three and one half years of this age.
 
whirlwind said:
Ret said:
Ummmmm WW.....Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 have different accounts about creation...

I know many believe Genesis 1 and 2 are two separate accounts of the same event but....I don't. :-)
My apologies, don't think I said it clear enough...I see Gen 1 & 2 as the same creation with #2 aplifying what is said in #1.... :yes

Have out of town company today and part of tomorrow, but think I need to catch up with what is going on in the thread before posting more.

Appreciate the discussion, keep up the good work!...Ret
 
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.
 
micaela said:
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.
:yes

1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
 
micaela said:
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.


Yes but where do you believe satan is right now??????
 
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
 
micaela said:
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.


I agree Micaela. The world is presently under his control but...it is because our Lord allows it. We are to be proven and this is part of it.

By the way....I assume from your avatar that you have a baby on the way :-) ? How wonderful :clap3 and when are you due?
 
Vic C. said:
micaela said:
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.
:yes

1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

That's an interesting verse Vic. As he is locked away, according to [Revelation 9:1-2], and yet Peter writes that our adversary walketh about...what is meant?

I know that the spirit of the adversary roams earth. This is just as Jesus is with the Father yet His Spirit is in us. Is the devil's spirit roaming in his group of believers while he himself is locked away? I believe that is what is being said. It is also noteworthy that he/they roam "as a roaring lion." Pretending to be of the lion of the tribe of Judah, of Christ, or....Christian! Pretending to be Christian all the while devouring souls with their roaring....their lies.

Thank you for that verse Vic...it says a great deal on the subject of this thread.
 
Rick W said:
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Hi Rick,

But, when did Satan go to and fro? Was it in the previous age? Was it until he was locked away in this age? We know he is presently locked in the pit from [Revelation 9:1-2] but when was he placed there?
 
NIGHTMARE said:
micaela said:
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.


Yes but where do you believe satan is right now??????

From the Scriptures gathered in this thread I believe, without a doubt, that Satan is presently locked in the pit...soon to be released. [Revelation 9:1-2] Now the question is....when was he placed there and exactly where is that pit? Was it when Jesus said, "get behind me Satan?" Surely there is more written about him being locked away.
 
Rev 9:1-2 says nothing about Satan being locked in the pit. :confused
 
whirlwind said:
NIGHTMARE said:
micaela said:
When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, he told Jesus that he would give him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. This right here tells me that Satan is the ruler of this world right now. But Jesus will soon come back and have war with Satan then become the ruler of this world.


Yes but where do you believe satan is right now??????

From the Scriptures gathered in this thread I believe, without a doubt, that Satan is presently locked in the pit...soon to be released. [Revelation 9:1-2] Now the question is....when was he placed there and exactly where is that pit? Was it when Jesus said, "get behind me Satan?" Surely there is more written about him being locked away.

I still believe he's locked away,,,,but I can only assume as to when it happen,,,,my best guess would be when Christ said "get behind me" or when Christ was on the cross at some point :twocents but im having trouble finding references to this......... :study ,,,,gotta keep digging.....
 
Satan has not yet been locked away...
 
Free said:
Satan has not yet been locked away...

Free,
Note verse 11 Satan is there in the Abyss with his demons, note also that he is limited in what he and his demons can do. In some ways he is God's servant or tool (Isaiah 54:16):

Revelation 9
1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

12The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

13The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." 15And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

17The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

20The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and woodâ€â€idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts

Bubba
 
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