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Yah1
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You know the definition of repent, but actually doing it is something else. Matthew 7:13
If you're confident then tell me how you compare the Glory of Heaven to a Fallen Earth.
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Where will you spend your eternity?
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You know the definition of repent, but actually doing it is something else. Matthew 7:13
If you're confident then tell me how you compare the Glory of Heaven to a Fallen Earth.
Classik
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Smack! I don't think he can attempt this question.
The Unbeliever
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I have repented on many occasions in my life, in full sincerity.
As to your second question, I have not found any discernable loss of joy or awe with the world for having lost belief in God. If one is incomparably greater than the other, it is because one is fictional and so unavailable for comparison.
The Unbeliever
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Why not?
Agape
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To whom?
totopicAnd let's not suggest that others never truly repented, or were never saved to begin with, or whatever. These are things we cannot judge.
And what does that have to do with what I said?
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. (ESV)
Believers will end up where we began, doing what we were meant to do.
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Yah1
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And let's not suggest that others never truly repented, or were never saved to begin with, or whatever. These are things we cannot judge.
And what does that have to do with what I said?
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. (ESV)
Believers will end up where we began, doing what we were meant to do.
You are correct, we cannot judge. For the ruler of this earth has already been judged John 16:11 -
We can only learn and take heed. On with the topic..
If you've come to Faith, then you already know heaven is not fiction, notice hear in Luke 17:21 it says 'within' meaning his Kingdom is inside of YOU. Is the Kingdom of God not in Heaven?
Free, it has everything to do with what you said. Believers will be doing what we were meant to do, but we will not end up where we began. This world that we're in is a fallen world corrupted with sin. Can you imagine what the world was like before Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit? Notice Revelation 21:1 says 'passed away'. The new heaven and new earth that he speaks of his not of this world. We will be in a completely different place with resurrected bodies. I recommend the book Heaven by Randy Alcorn.
You're acting like heaven doesn't exist. When Jesus said he was not of this world, he meant just that. He is in Heaven seated at the right hand of God. Mark 16:19 - Jesus is NOT dead! - Why do you think we call him the Living God and the intercessor Jeremiah 23:36 & Hebrews 7:25
He is the vine, and we are the branches. John 15:5
Let us Pray over this, that the Lord will bring us closer.
The Unbeliever
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To the Christian God. Why do you question me? Do you think you will find some secret fault in my previous faith and so discover a way to lay aside my claims to it?
The Unbeliever
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My faith is past tense. I believed, but do not believe.
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Yah1
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Faith is permanent, no matter how weak or strong your Faith is. Once you believe you don't stop believing.
Do you know what inheritance means? 1 Peter 1:4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade--kept in heaven for you
The Unbeliever
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Then that is good news for me. I will gladly be mistaken about my current status should this be the case. However, it is a mysterious phenomena, since my unbelief seems as real to me as my previous belief. I do not know how to rightly judge this situation.
Well, no, that is not why we can't judge. We cannot judge matters of the heart, whether one is or was truly saved.
Luk 17:20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed,Yah1 said:
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." (ESV)
"Within" doesn't mean "inside of." It is better understood as "in the midst of." Certainly Jesus wouldn't say to the Pharisees whom he chastised and corrected so often that they had the kingdom of God within them. That makes no sense. Rather, Jesus is speaking of the presence of the kingdom. In other words, by saying that "the kingdom of God is in the midst of you," he is referring to himself and the kingdom which was being made manifest.
Either the Earth will be completely redeemed, and this is what is meant by a "new earth," or it will be a new earth. We began life on this earth and new life will begin on the new earth. Rev 21 is fairly clear on this, although we do have to be careful when it comes to apocalyptic language.Yah1 said:
I have neither said heaven doesn't exist nor that Jesus is dead.Yah1 said:
Gordon
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This is just my experience so don't feel any need to defend yourself. From my experience of your posts you are still inbetween. You don't really have the schema of a believer or an atheist. You try on statements like comparing Jesus to Santa Claus. If Jesus was your life at one point and you stuggled for years trying to come back to him wouldn't this be highly inappropriate? It's not coming across as congruent to me online and I think it's cause you have a lot of emotional ties here you aren't aknowledging. Just because your faith is so weak doesn't mean you have to dismiss the meaning it gave you.
Agape
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Ok, thanks for answering.
Simply to know more about your faith. ;)
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Yah1
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Free, that's correct, we cannot be judged based on John 16:11
So why did you disagree with me, do you know what this scripture means.
'Within' does mean 'inside of' and i will tell you why. Luke 17:20 & Luke 17:21 are excellent scriptures to understand what Faith is. For example, if the person next to you has come to Faith, you can't SEE what's inside of him. One's Faith cannot be seen with our human eye, only through our actions do people see. When he says in the midst of you, he means the PERSON STANDING NEXT TO YOU! Jesus was standing next to the pharisees! You never know if the person next to you is either a saint or a devil. When Jesus says walk in the light, it's the light within you! The LAMP is the eye of the body! Matthew 6:22 - Notice he says, If the eye is full of light, the whole body is full of light. YOUR BODY, does your body not have a soul? The Pharisees could not understand this, Jesus WAS THE LAMP! Jesus prophets saw the light inside of him because they had FAITH! We know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:16
When i say this is a fallen earth corrupted in sin, what does that mean to you? Did Adam and Eve not eat the forbidden fruit? New Heaven and New Earth are NEW and different places than this fallen earth.
So why did you disagree with me, do you know what this scripture means.
'Within' does mean 'inside of' and i will tell you why. Luke 17:20 & Luke 17:21 are excellent scriptures to understand what Faith is. For example, if the person next to you has come to Faith, you can't SEE what's inside of him. One's Faith cannot be seen with our human eye, only through our actions do people see. When he says in the midst of you, he means the PERSON STANDING NEXT TO YOU! Jesus was standing next to the pharisees! You never know if the person next to you is either a saint or a devil. When Jesus says walk in the light, it's the light within you! The LAMP is the eye of the body! Matthew 6:22 - Notice he says, If the eye is full of light, the whole body is full of light. YOUR BODY, does your body not have a soul? The Pharisees could not understand this, Jesus WAS THE LAMP! Jesus prophets saw the light inside of him because they had FAITH! We know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:16
When i say this is a fallen earth corrupted in sin, what does that mean to you? Did Adam and Eve not eat the forbidden fruit? New Heaven and New Earth are NEW and different places than this fallen earth.
I stated why I disagree with you.
First you say that "'within' does mean 'inside of'," then you say that Jesus was saying "in the midst of you." It is one or the other, not both. Either Jesus meant "inside of" them, internally, or "in the midst of" them, as an external presence. Which is it?Yah1 said:
I already stated: Either the Earth will be completely redeemed, and this is what is meant by a "new earth," or it will be a new earth.Yah1 said:
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Yah1
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I still do not know why you disagreed, so tell me. John 16:11
You completely ignored everything i said here explaining 'within' and 'inside of'...
I clearly stated: "Well, no, that is not why we can't judge. We cannot judge matters of the heart, whether one is or was truly saved."
It has nothing to do with John 16:11.
I clearly did not. I posted: "First you say that "'within' does mean 'inside of'," then you say that Jesus was saying "in the midst of you." It is one or the other, not both. Either Jesus meant "inside of" them, internally, or "in the midst of" them, as an external presence. Which is it?"
I cannot address anything further until you make things clearer.
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Yah1
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John 16:11 - I've already been saved, i still cannot judge you because i've been judged. i'm not judging you, i'm guiding you into TRUTH. When was the last time you had this kind of disagreement with someone on this forum and stirred you up like this. Maybe there is a reason why God brought me to you. Why do you think i'm pressing so hard for you to understand. I'm not judging you, i'm not angry at you. I'm TEACHING you, whether you know it or not. The things i'm saying are in my heart because God is in my heart!
If this is not clear to you, you have rendered me speechless..
The above quote is my answer to you, so you have READ IT. You're asking which one is it, but i'm explaining to you what 'within' 'inside of' and 'in the midst of' means in this post. You're not reading what i wrote, you're just seeing what you wanna see. In that case, what does Matthew 6:22 mean to you?
If this is not clear to you, you have rendered me speechless..
The above quote is my answer to you, so you have READ IT. You're asking which one is it, but i'm explaining to you what 'within' 'inside of' and 'in the midst of' means in this post. You're not reading what i wrote, you're just seeing what you wanna see. In that case, what does Matthew 6:22 mean to you?