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I agree with Malachi...
Moses and Elijah, my guess.
Plagues like Moses
Stop rain like Elijah
Moses and Elijah, my guess.
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Who Are the "TWO WITNESSES" of Revelation 11
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dianegcook
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Hi Reba
So all of us will be laying in the streets for 3 1/2 days dead?
No one knows for sure, but only speculate, for sure....
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LolNO ...is Moses a lampstand or an olive tree... No one has ever convinced me the the 2 witness are 2 people . we jump in and out of figurative speech
Yes we do.
But we are also called branches.
Jesus is referred to as a fir tree.
Lampstand?
Nope
But we should be called children of light.
Rev. Is very symbolic, imho.
You are exactly right! Most anytime a branch is mentioned it represents an individual. Jeremiah 33:15 Christ Isaiah 11:1 again Zechariah 3:8 again Zechariah 6:12-14 and again. Isaiah 14:19 of course satan. John 15:5 He is the vine we (individuals) are branches.
Again, Romans 11:17 holds our answer the original language used the word branch. The wild olive branch (an individual gentile believer) is broken off the wild olive tree (tree of the Gentiles) because they come to faith in Christ. They are then grafted into the tree of righteous Jews. The branches (individuals) that are broken off the tree of righteous Jews, are broken off for their unbelief. Then the wild olive branch (individual) gentile believer, is grafted (spiritually adopted) into the tree. Salvation is a personal and individual decision. Each branch (individual) needs to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling.
From this we know the 2 witnesses are 2 gentile believers. As the Jews which are broken off are broken off for their unbelief. Whereas, the Gentiles are broken off (the wild olive tree) for their belief, and grafted into the tree of Righteous Israel. Of course, we wouldn't expect an unbelieving Jew to be 1 of the 2 witnesses. Of course Jesus Himself says Mark 6:4-5. And Himself couldn't perform many miracles. These witnesses are 2 Gentile individual believers.
Of course Revelation 11:10 refers to them as prophets and their dead bodies lay in the street for 3.5 days. That should be quite enough.
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You are exactly right! Most anytime a branch is mentioned it represents an individual.
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Thank you!
I agree. There is a lot of symbolism in the book of Revelation and even in the prophets. Fortunately, in this case we have our explanation.NO ...
It's mostly in Zechariah 4. Of course Zechariah 4:2-3 has a whole bunch of objects. I wouldn't think the Spirit of the Lord is actually 7 Lamps or 7 actual Eyes. However, we are told what the 7 Lamps represent in Revelation 4:5 and also what the 7 eyes represent in Revelation 5:6. They represent the 7 Spirits of God. We are also told what they represent in Zechariah 4:10.
So we have the explanation of what they are in Revelation. The 2 witnesses are referred to as 2 lampstands, 2 olive trees, and to olive branches. We really have our entire answer to the vision in Zechariah 4:2-3. The oil obviously represents the anointing of the Holy Spirit. We see this in Zechariah 4:12 explained in Zechariah 4:14. The lamps the Spirits of God. The bowl (reservoir) above full of oil would have to represent Christ, as the olive trees are beside the resevoir. the olive trees show us they're Gentiles, the olive branches, individual believers and Lampstands they're just 2 vessels. Useless without the lamps, oil and resevoir full of oil. Without that they serve no purpose, they're useless vessels...Lampstands.
Here is a detailed description of the word of the Lord to one of the 2 witnesses. This explains where one of them is found in the scriptures. The first message is found in Zechariah 4. To give an understanding of who Zechariah 4 is Actually directed to, let's first look at Zechariah 3:8
8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.
Notice here how it mentions Joshua and the friends who sit in front of him are a symbol. Joshua is a symbol of the Branch, who represents the Messiah.
Isaiah 11:1.
1Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
Jeremiah 33:15-16
15‘In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. 16‘In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she will be called: the LORD is our righteousness.’
As Zechariah 3:8 stated Joshua is a Symbol of the Branch. His office and duties typified that of Christ. He was the High Priest. So is Christ Ours! His name is Yeshua or Jehovah saves, so is Jesus name!He is crowned as King in Zechariah 6:11-15 and the 2 offices join together. Impossible for a high priest on earth. Not impossible for Christ.
Zechariah 6:11-15
11“Take silver and gold, make an ornate crown and set it on the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. 12“Then say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. 13“Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices"
Notice here, how symbolically the 2 offices come together. High priest and King exactly as Christ is. Ruling with The counsel of peace between the 2.
.”’ 14“Now the crown will become a reminder in the temple of the LORD to Helem, Tobijah, Jedaiah and Hen the son of Zephaniah.15“Those who are far off will come and build the temple of the LORD.” Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. And it will take place if you completely obey the LORD your God
Jesus as well as the others from afar will build this temple. However, this is not speaking of a physical temple. It is speaking of a spiritual temple.
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
And again in 1 Peter 1:2-4
4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6For this is contained in Scripture: “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, APRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BEDISAPPOINTED.”
Described here as well as in other places Ephesians 2:20-22
However, before I get to deep I want to focus on the witness. Remember what Zechariah 3:8 says
8 Now Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch..
Here it states that there were also friends (plural), that sit before Joshua. Furthermore, that they are also a symbol, just like Joshua the high priest... Well, Who was one of Joshua's main associates and likely friends during the second temple era? One of the main leaders, with Joshua during that era? If you guessed Zerubbabel, you were right! It obviously not coincidence, that 3 verses after Zechariah 3:8 during the same encounter, with the same angel,
And the same prophet is roused from a sleep like state to a vision. Found in Zechariah 4...
1Then the angel who was speaking with me returned and roused me, as a man who is awakened from his sleep.2He said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it; 3also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side.”
Notice that in the vision Zechariah is shown several objects. These objects represent the word of God to Zerubbabel. All the objects here also directly pertain to the 2 witnesses. These objects in this vision CAN NOT be separated from Zerubbabel. Remember this is the Word of God to Zerubbabel. Right here Zerubbabel is merely a Symbol of the witness, just as Joshua is a symbol of the Branch.
4Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?” 5So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the LORD of hosts.
Notice as I stated these objects represent the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel. Also he is told it is not his power but the Spirit of the Lord that will carry him through. Zerubbabel is merely a vessel to be used by the Lord. (Lampstand)
7‘What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”
8Also the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 9“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. 10“For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
First we must understand that this is Not speaking of physical building. This is something only the Eyes of the Lord see. As a matter of fact there is Nothing in Zechariah 4 which pertains to the second temple era, nor to the Zerubbabel of that era. Remember Zerubbabel is merely a symbol of the witness.
First of all, the bible tells us Zerubbabel did NOT lay the foundation of the second temple. So we can safely conclude this is not speaking of the second temple foundation.
Ezra 5:16
16‘Then that Sheshbazzar came and laid the foundations of the house of God in Jerusalem; and from then until now it has been under construction and it is not
The only thing Zerubbabel did was to appoint Levites 20 years and older to oversee the work. Now he, along with EVERY OTHER returned exile did this. That's right EVERY OTHER returned exile.
Ezra 3:8
8Now in the second year after their coming the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak made a beginning, together with the rest of their kinsmen, the priests and the Levites and all who had come to Jerusalem from the captivity. They appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to supervise the work of the house of the LORD.
Just so there is no confusion that Zechariah 4:9 is Not speaking of the second temple foundation, he is separated from even having any sort of supervisory role. Totally distanced from even supervising, let alone building!
LORD. 9And Jeshua with his sons and his brothers, and Kadmiel and his sons, the sons of Judah, together supervised the workmen in the house of God, along with the sons of Henadad and the Levites, their sons and brothers.
And Whoosh! Gone everyone of the leaders except Zerubbabel present in supervising.
Ezra 3:10
10And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, the priests in their vestments came forward with trumpets, and the Levites, the sons of Asaph, with cymbals, to praise the LORD, according to the directions of David king of Israel.
Again the builders...but NO Zerubbabel!
Now the bible in Ezra (scribe) has no reservations about accrediting Zerubbabel with building the altar in Ezra 3:2 just a few verses prior.
2Then Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak arose and began to rebuild the house of God that is in Jerusalem, and the prophets of God were with them, supporting them.
Nor was Zerubbabel excluded from working on the temple structure. We see this in Ezra 5:2
2then Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak arose and began to rebuild the house of God which is in Jerusalem; and the prophets of God were with them supporting them.
8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.
Notice here how it mentions Joshua and the friends who sit in front of him are a symbol. Joshua is a symbol of the Branch, who represents the Messiah.
Isaiah 11:1.
1Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
Jeremiah 33:15-16
15‘In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. 16‘In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she will be called: the LORD is our righteousness.’
As Zechariah 3:8 stated Joshua is a Symbol of the Branch. His office and duties typified that of Christ. He was the High Priest. So is Christ Ours! His name is Yeshua or Jehovah saves, so is Jesus name!He is crowned as King in Zechariah 6:11-15 and the 2 offices join together. Impossible for a high priest on earth. Not impossible for Christ.
Zechariah 6:11-15
11“Take silver and gold, make an ornate crown and set it on the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. 12“Then say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. 13“Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices"
Notice here, how symbolically the 2 offices come together. High priest and King exactly as Christ is. Ruling with The counsel of peace between the 2.
.”’ 14“Now the crown will become a reminder in the temple of the LORD to Helem, Tobijah, Jedaiah and Hen the son of Zephaniah.15“Those who are far off will come and build the temple of the LORD.” Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. And it will take place if you completely obey the LORD your God
Jesus as well as the others from afar will build this temple. However, this is not speaking of a physical temple. It is speaking of a spiritual temple.
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
And again in 1 Peter 1:2-4
4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6For this is contained in Scripture: “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, APRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BEDISAPPOINTED.”
Described here as well as in other places Ephesians 2:20-22
However, before I get to deep I want to focus on the witness. Remember what Zechariah 3:8 says
8 Now Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch..
Here it states that there were also friends (plural), that sit before Joshua. Furthermore, that they are also a symbol, just like Joshua the high priest... Well, Who was one of Joshua's main associates and likely friends during the second temple era? One of the main leaders, with Joshua during that era? If you guessed Zerubbabel, you were right! It obviously not coincidence, that 3 verses after Zechariah 3:8 during the same encounter, with the same angel,
And the same prophet is roused from a sleep like state to a vision. Found in Zechariah 4...
1Then the angel who was speaking with me returned and roused me, as a man who is awakened from his sleep.2He said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it; 3also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side.”
Notice that in the vision Zechariah is shown several objects. These objects represent the word of God to Zerubbabel. All the objects here also directly pertain to the 2 witnesses. These objects in this vision CAN NOT be separated from Zerubbabel. Remember this is the Word of God to Zerubbabel. Right here Zerubbabel is merely a Symbol of the witness, just as Joshua is a symbol of the Branch.
4Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?” 5So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the LORD of hosts.
Notice as I stated these objects represent the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel. Also he is told it is not his power but the Spirit of the Lord that will carry him through. Zerubbabel is merely a vessel to be used by the Lord. (Lampstand)
7‘What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”
8Also the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 9“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. 10“For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
First we must understand that this is Not speaking of physical building. This is something only the Eyes of the Lord see. As a matter of fact there is Nothing in Zechariah 4 which pertains to the second temple era, nor to the Zerubbabel of that era. Remember Zerubbabel is merely a symbol of the witness.
First of all, the bible tells us Zerubbabel did NOT lay the foundation of the second temple. So we can safely conclude this is not speaking of the second temple foundation.
Ezra 5:16
16‘Then that Sheshbazzar came and laid the foundations of the house of God in Jerusalem; and from then until now it has been under construction and it is not
The only thing Zerubbabel did was to appoint Levites 20 years and older to oversee the work. Now he, along with EVERY OTHER returned exile did this. That's right EVERY OTHER returned exile.
Ezra 3:8
8Now in the second year after their coming the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak made a beginning, together with the rest of their kinsmen, the priests and the Levites and all who had come to Jerusalem from the captivity. They appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to supervise the work of the house of the LORD.
Just so there is no confusion that Zechariah 4:9 is Not speaking of the second temple foundation, he is separated from even having any sort of supervisory role. Totally distanced from even supervising, let alone building!
LORD. 9And Jeshua with his sons and his brothers, and Kadmiel and his sons, the sons of Judah, together supervised the workmen in the house of God, along with the sons of Henadad and the Levites, their sons and brothers.
And Whoosh! Gone everyone of the leaders except Zerubbabel present in supervising.
Ezra 3:10
10And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, the priests in their vestments came forward with trumpets, and the Levites, the sons of Asaph, with cymbals, to praise the LORD, according to the directions of David king of Israel.
Again the builders...but NO Zerubbabel!
Now the bible in Ezra (scribe) has no reservations about accrediting Zerubbabel with building the altar in Ezra 3:2 just a few verses prior.
2Then Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak arose and began to rebuild the house of God that is in Jerusalem, and the prophets of God were with them, supporting them.
Nor was Zerubbabel excluded from working on the temple structure. We see this in Ezra 5:2
2then Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak arose and began to rebuild the house of God which is in Jerusalem; and the prophets of God were with them supporting them.
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Just absolutely and utterly removed from any involvement in the laying of the foundation. So us, in this day and age, would know without a shadow of a doubt. That Zechariah 4:9 isn't speaking of physical building.
But just to cement that fact in order. When we closely consider (examine) Zechariah 4:9 very closely, we see that the word for foundation in the original language does not suggest an action at all. Why, it is a NOUN! A feminine noun derived from the word Yesudah H3248.
◄ 3248. yesudah ►
Strong's Concordance
yesudah: foundation
Original Word: יְסוּדַת
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: yesudah
Phonetic Spelling: (yes-oo-daw')
Short Definition: foundation
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
As a matter of fact, it only has one other occurrence. Psalms 87:1
Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Hebrew 3248
2 Occurrences
yə·sū·ḏā·ṯōw — 1 Occ.
yis·sə·ḏū — 1 Occ.
Psalm 87:1
HEB: מִזְמ֣וֹר שִׁ֑יר יְ֝סוּדָת֗וֹ בְּהַרְרֵי־ קֹֽדֶשׁ׃
NAS: A Psalm of the sons of Korah. A Song. His foundation is in the holy
KJV: His foundation [is] in the holy
INT: Psalm Song his foundationmountains the holy
Zechariah 4:9 HEB: יְדֵ֣י זְרֻבָּבֶ֗ל יִסְּד֛וּ הַבַּ֥יִת הַזֶּ֖ה INT: the hands of Zerubbabel foundationhouse of this
2 Occurrences
Psalms 87:1
1His foundation is in the holy mountains.
Folks this is Not speaking of physical building. But, rather a spiritual beginning (figuratively, a spiritual foundation). The feminine Noun suggests something spiritual, whereas the masculine noun would suggest a physical beginning (figurative foundation).
Here is the masculine noun yesud. Which denotes a physical beginning
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yesud: foundation, beginning
Original Word: יְסֻד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: yesud
Phonetic Spelling: (yes-ood')
Short Definition: began
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from yasad
Definition
foundation, beginning
NASB Translation
began (1).
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Brown-Driver-Briggs
יְסֻד noun [masculine] foundation, beginning, Ezra 7:9 יְסֻד הַמַּעֲלָה, but read rather, with ᵐ5, יָסַד (הוּא = Ezra subject), see Ry.
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began
From yacad; a foundation (figuratively, i.e. Beginning) -- X began.
see HEBREW yacad
Forms and Transliterations
יְסֻ֔ד יסד yə·suḏ yeSud yəsuḏ
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Strong's Hebrew 3246
1 Occurrence
yə·suḏ — 1 Occ.
Ezra 7:9
HEB: הָרִאשׁ֔וֹן ה֣וּא יְסֻ֔ד הַֽמַּעֲלָ֖ה מִבָּבֶ֑ל
NAS: month he began to go
KJV: month began he to go up
INT: of the first he began to go Babylon
1 Occurrence
Yesudah is the feminine form of this noun, which is used in Zechariah 4:9. Which denotes a spiritual beginning (figurative foundation).
Notice how the masculine form of this noun denotes a physical beginning ( figurative foundation). Whereas, the feminine form is used to express to same meaning...a beginning but, A spiritual beginning. A figurative foundation.
It is the same when the Holy Spirit, or a spirit is expressed in the original Hebrew. It is expressed through a feminine noun.
7307. ruach ►
Strong's Concordance
ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Let me backtrack to Zechariah 4:7
7‘What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”
8Also the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 9“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. 10“For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
What this is speaking of is 2 spiritual demonic attacks which this man endured. Wherein, he resisted/ denied the attacks of the devil. There is no physical capstone. But the spiritual house was completed with these words. It was actually the words themselves that completed the spiritual "house". The exact words are found in the living bible, which is where it became realized to him. This just so happened to have been the bible he owned at that time.
Zechariah 4:7 TLB
7 Therefore no mountain, however high, can stand before Zerubbabel! For it will flatten out before him! And Zerubbabel will finish building this Temple with mighty shouts of thanksgiving for God’s mercy, declaring that all was done by grace alone.”*
These are the EXACT WORDS, that were yelled out by this individual, in the midst of a long drawn out spiritually demonic attack upon him.
It is something only the Eyes of spiritual beings can realize.
In there eyes, it is a day of small beginnings. Again, this is not speaking of a physical foundation and there is NO contradiction between Ezra 3:10 Ezra 5:16 and Zechariah 4:9 they are referring to 2 entirely different things!
Zechariah 4:11
11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?” 13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
It is here that the angel answers a question that Zechariah presents. It helps us to understand the meaning of some of the objects in the vision from Zechariah 4:2-3. First we must absolutely remember that ZERUBBABEL CAN NOT BE SEPARATED FROM THESE OBJECTS. This is the word of the Lord to him and him alone. However, just as Zechariah 3:8 states this "friend" of Joshua is a symbol. A symbol of the witness as Zechariah 3:8 says!
8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch
Now, I want to cover the objects in Zechariah 4:2-3. Those objects that represent the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel.
Now the olive trees, lampstand, olive branches and golden oil represent the 2 witnesses and the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon them . Again Zechariah 4:11-14
11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?” 13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
And their clear interpretation in Revelation 11:2-3. And the description of who they represent.
3“And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
There are also 7 lamps on the Lampstand. We're told these are the Eyes of the Lord in Zechariah 4:10
10“For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
The 7 eyes represent the 7 Spirits as described in Revelation. There are also sent out into all the earth. 5:6
But just to cement that fact in order. When we closely consider (examine) Zechariah 4:9 very closely, we see that the word for foundation in the original language does not suggest an action at all. Why, it is a NOUN! A feminine noun derived from the word Yesudah H3248.
◄ 3248. yesudah ►
Strong's Concordance
yesudah: foundation
Original Word: יְסוּדַת
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: yesudah
Phonetic Spelling: (yes-oo-daw')
Short Definition: foundation
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As a matter of fact, it only has one other occurrence. Psalms 87:1
Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Hebrew 3248
2 Occurrences
yə·sū·ḏā·ṯōw — 1 Occ.
yis·sə·ḏū — 1 Occ.
Psalm 87:1
HEB: מִזְמ֣וֹר שִׁ֑יר יְ֝סוּדָת֗וֹ בְּהַרְרֵי־ קֹֽדֶשׁ׃
NAS: A Psalm of the sons of Korah. A Song. His foundation is in the holy
KJV: His foundation [is] in the holy
INT: Psalm Song his foundationmountains the holy
Zechariah 4:9 HEB: יְדֵ֣י זְרֻבָּבֶ֗ל יִסְּד֛וּ הַבַּ֥יִת הַזֶּ֖ה INT: the hands of Zerubbabel foundationhouse of this
2 Occurrences
Psalms 87:1
1His foundation is in the holy mountains.
Folks this is Not speaking of physical building. But, rather a spiritual beginning (figuratively, a spiritual foundation). The feminine Noun suggests something spiritual, whereas the masculine noun would suggest a physical beginning (figurative foundation).
Here is the masculine noun yesud. Which denotes a physical beginning
◄ 3246. yesud ►
Strong's Concordance
yesud: foundation, beginning
Original Word: יְסֻד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: yesud
Phonetic Spelling: (yes-ood')
Short Definition: began
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Word Origin
from yasad
Definition
foundation, beginning
NASB Translation
began (1).
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Brown-Driver-Briggs
יְסֻד noun [masculine] foundation, beginning, Ezra 7:9 יְסֻד הַמַּעֲלָה, but read rather, with ᵐ5, יָסַד (הוּא = Ezra subject), see Ry.
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began
From yacad; a foundation (figuratively, i.e. Beginning) -- X began.
see HEBREW yacad
Forms and Transliterations
יְסֻ֔ד יסד yə·suḏ yeSud yəsuḏ
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Strong's Hebrew 3246
1 Occurrence
yə·suḏ — 1 Occ.
Ezra 7:9
HEB: הָרִאשׁ֔וֹן ה֣וּא יְסֻ֔ד הַֽמַּעֲלָ֖ה מִבָּבֶ֑ל
NAS: month he began to go
KJV: month began he to go up
INT: of the first he began to go Babylon
1 Occurrence
Yesudah is the feminine form of this noun, which is used in Zechariah 4:9. Which denotes a spiritual beginning (figurative foundation).
Notice how the masculine form of this noun denotes a physical beginning ( figurative foundation). Whereas, the feminine form is used to express to same meaning...a beginning but, A spiritual beginning. A figurative foundation.
It is the same when the Holy Spirit, or a spirit is expressed in the original Hebrew. It is expressed through a feminine noun.
7307. ruach ►
Strong's Concordance
ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Let me backtrack to Zechariah 4:7
7‘What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”
8Also the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 9“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. 10“For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
What this is speaking of is 2 spiritual demonic attacks which this man endured. Wherein, he resisted/ denied the attacks of the devil. There is no physical capstone. But the spiritual house was completed with these words. It was actually the words themselves that completed the spiritual "house". The exact words are found in the living bible, which is where it became realized to him. This just so happened to have been the bible he owned at that time.
Zechariah 4:7 TLB
7 Therefore no mountain, however high, can stand before Zerubbabel! For it will flatten out before him! And Zerubbabel will finish building this Temple with mighty shouts of thanksgiving for God’s mercy, declaring that all was done by grace alone.”*
These are the EXACT WORDS, that were yelled out by this individual, in the midst of a long drawn out spiritually demonic attack upon him.
It is something only the Eyes of spiritual beings can realize.
In there eyes, it is a day of small beginnings. Again, this is not speaking of a physical foundation and there is NO contradiction between Ezra 3:10 Ezra 5:16 and Zechariah 4:9 they are referring to 2 entirely different things!
Zechariah 4:11
11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?” 13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
It is here that the angel answers a question that Zechariah presents. It helps us to understand the meaning of some of the objects in the vision from Zechariah 4:2-3. First we must absolutely remember that ZERUBBABEL CAN NOT BE SEPARATED FROM THESE OBJECTS. This is the word of the Lord to him and him alone. However, just as Zechariah 3:8 states this "friend" of Joshua is a symbol. A symbol of the witness as Zechariah 3:8 says!
8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch
Now, I want to cover the objects in Zechariah 4:2-3. Those objects that represent the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel.
Now the olive trees, lampstand, olive branches and golden oil represent the 2 witnesses and the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon them . Again Zechariah 4:11-14
11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?” 13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
And their clear interpretation in Revelation 11:2-3. And the description of who they represent.
3“And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
There are also 7 lamps on the Lampstand. We're told these are the Eyes of the Lord in Zechariah 4:10
10“For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
The 7 eyes represent the 7 Spirits as described in Revelation. There are also sent out into all the earth. 5:6
Continued from above
6And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
And the lamps described again as the 7 Spirits in Revelation 4:5
5Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God;
Do you remember what the message was? Zechariah 4:6
6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the LORD of hosts.
Yes, the Lamps the Spirit of God, the oil the anointing. The olive trees, lampstand and olive branches the 2 witnesses! Zerubbabel's message... we can't separate him from these objects.
Just as Zechariah 3:8 states, he is a symbol. Actually to the point of, where the things that Zerubbabel of the second temple era did typify what this spiritual Zerubbabel will do. Example- his Spiritual name is Zerubbabel likely meaning sower of seed in Babylon, which denotes a land figuratively captive to sin.
Zera ( to sow or scatter seed) Babel (figurative for a land captive to sin) Babylon
The seed signifying the word of God according to Luke 8:11 in the parable of the sower
11“Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God.
Now just as Zerubbabel was a physical builder this Zerubbabel will be a Spiritual builder. Building a spiritual temple according to Ephesians 2:20-22
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
And again in 1 Peter 1:2-4
4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6For this is contained in Scripture: “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, APRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BEDISAPPOINTED.”
That Zerubbabel was governor of Judah. This Zerubbabel will likely be Governor of Judah in the MILLENIAL Kingdom.
That Zerubbabel was born the son of Pedaiah and physically adopted by Shealtiel.
1 Chronicles 3:19
19The sons of Pedaiah wereZerubbabel and Shimei. And the sons of Zerubbabel were Meshullam and Hananiah, and Shelomith was their sister;
This Zerubbabel is an olive branch. Or individual Gentile believer spiritually grafted into the tree of righteous Jews as the spiritual son of Shealtiel. This according to Romans 11:17-24. For it is only the wild olive branches which are broken off of their wild olive tree, for their belief. While the unbelieving Jews are broken off for their unbelief. Of course, the witnesses will be believers and not unbelievers. Therefore an unbelieving Jew will not be witnessing to the Jews. Hence, the olive branch, signifying an individual gentile believer.
Of course even Jesus himself claimed a prophet is honored everywhere except his own country.
Mark 6:4-6
4Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household.”5And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6And He wondered at their unbelief.
Of course, the Lord would not send a Jew to preach to the Jews but rather a Gentile. An olive branch, or individual Gentile believer.
FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THE OLIVE BRANCHES
11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?
Notice a question is asked. However, no answer is given. Not until Zechariah asks about the branches!
” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?”
Notice, it is after this question is asked, that identification is given
13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
The branches again represent individual gentile believers, literally overflowing with the anointing of the Holy Spirit. These are Gentiles grafted into the tree of righteous Jews. Supernaturally through their belief in Christ. I will explain in Romans 11:17-24
17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing rootc of the olive tree
Notice that here it is the wild olive branch (shoot) that is grafted (spiritually adopted) into the tree of righteous Israel. They are grafted in, As a result of their belief in Christ. Where as, the Jewish branches are broken off for their unbelief. After the first Gentile is adopted into the tree they then SHARE in the nourishing root of the olive tree.
Romans 11:18-19
, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
See, we could never expect an individual broken out of their tree, for their denial of Christ, to be one of His 2 witnesses.
Romans 11:20
20That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear
As it states the branches broken off for their unbelief, were the Natural born Jews that reject Christ as their Messiah.
Romans 11:21-24
. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
Again it is the wild olive branches (individuals) that are cut out of their Gentile tree, for their belief in Christ. They are then spiritually adopted (grafted into the tree of righteous Israel). Salvation is an individual decision and so it is with the individual grafting of the olive branches, into the tree of righteous Israel.
Galatians 3:26-29
26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
And so it is with these olive branches. They came to faith in Christ and were spiritually adopted as descendants of Abraham through Christ. The one whom God calls Zerubbabel, was spiritually adopted as the son of Shealtiel. As the Zerubbabel of that age, was adopted physically by Shealtiel. His real dad having been Pedaiah.
6And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
And the lamps described again as the 7 Spirits in Revelation 4:5
5Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God;
Do you remember what the message was? Zechariah 4:6
6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the LORD of hosts.
Yes, the Lamps the Spirit of God, the oil the anointing. The olive trees, lampstand and olive branches the 2 witnesses! Zerubbabel's message... we can't separate him from these objects.
Just as Zechariah 3:8 states, he is a symbol. Actually to the point of, where the things that Zerubbabel of the second temple era did typify what this spiritual Zerubbabel will do. Example- his Spiritual name is Zerubbabel likely meaning sower of seed in Babylon, which denotes a land figuratively captive to sin.
Zera ( to sow or scatter seed) Babel (figurative for a land captive to sin) Babylon
The seed signifying the word of God according to Luke 8:11 in the parable of the sower
11“Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God.
Now just as Zerubbabel was a physical builder this Zerubbabel will be a Spiritual builder. Building a spiritual temple according to Ephesians 2:20-22
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
And again in 1 Peter 1:2-4
4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6For this is contained in Scripture: “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, APRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BEDISAPPOINTED.”
That Zerubbabel was governor of Judah. This Zerubbabel will likely be Governor of Judah in the MILLENIAL Kingdom.
That Zerubbabel was born the son of Pedaiah and physically adopted by Shealtiel.
1 Chronicles 3:19
19The sons of Pedaiah wereZerubbabel and Shimei. And the sons of Zerubbabel were Meshullam and Hananiah, and Shelomith was their sister;
This Zerubbabel is an olive branch. Or individual Gentile believer spiritually grafted into the tree of righteous Jews as the spiritual son of Shealtiel. This according to Romans 11:17-24. For it is only the wild olive branches which are broken off of their wild olive tree, for their belief. While the unbelieving Jews are broken off for their unbelief. Of course, the witnesses will be believers and not unbelievers. Therefore an unbelieving Jew will not be witnessing to the Jews. Hence, the olive branch, signifying an individual gentile believer.
Of course even Jesus himself claimed a prophet is honored everywhere except his own country.
Mark 6:4-6
4Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household.”5And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6And He wondered at their unbelief.
Of course, the Lord would not send a Jew to preach to the Jews but rather a Gentile. An olive branch, or individual Gentile believer.
FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THE OLIVE BRANCHES
11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?
Notice a question is asked. However, no answer is given. Not until Zechariah asks about the branches!
” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?”
Notice, it is after this question is asked, that identification is given
13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
The branches again represent individual gentile believers, literally overflowing with the anointing of the Holy Spirit. These are Gentiles grafted into the tree of righteous Jews. Supernaturally through their belief in Christ. I will explain in Romans 11:17-24
17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing rootc of the olive tree
Notice that here it is the wild olive branch (shoot) that is grafted (spiritually adopted) into the tree of righteous Israel. They are grafted in, As a result of their belief in Christ. Where as, the Jewish branches are broken off for their unbelief. After the first Gentile is adopted into the tree they then SHARE in the nourishing root of the olive tree.
Romans 11:18-19
, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
See, we could never expect an individual broken out of their tree, for their denial of Christ, to be one of His 2 witnesses.
Romans 11:20
20That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear
As it states the branches broken off for their unbelief, were the Natural born Jews that reject Christ as their Messiah.
Romans 11:21-24
. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
Again it is the wild olive branches (individuals) that are cut out of their Gentile tree, for their belief in Christ. They are then spiritually adopted (grafted into the tree of righteous Israel). Salvation is an individual decision and so it is with the individual grafting of the olive branches, into the tree of righteous Israel.
Galatians 3:26-29
26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
And so it is with these olive branches. They came to faith in Christ and were spiritually adopted as descendants of Abraham through Christ. The one whom God calls Zerubbabel, was spiritually adopted as the son of Shealtiel. As the Zerubbabel of that age, was adopted physically by Shealtiel. His real dad having been Pedaiah.
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Continued from above
won't get into all the scriptures that point to the term branch. It is most always used to describe an individual. Therefore, the angel answers Zechariah's question, when he inquires about the branches dripping with oil. It shows that they are Individual Gentile believers, who will be anointed.
This was the first message received by the one whom God calls Zerubbabel. It is found in Zechariah 4. It is how he came to find out he was that witness. Of course, I can't get into all the specifics on that.
In Spring of 2003 the pastor that married my wife and I had a vision. Eventually it was relayed to me. Later that year, On 11/03/2003 - 11/11/2003 the Lord revealed the true meaning of Zechariah 4 to me. I then remembered about the vision that was relayed to me. That vision confirmed what the Lord revealed to me. The next year unbeknownst to anyone, another brother in Christ confirmed this through another vision. So, I knew the true meaning of Zechariah 4, and I also knew Haggai 2:20-23 was another message to that witness. However for 12 years I couldn't unlock the true meaning.
Then after sometime later... in late October of 2015 a month or so after the blood moon in September, the Lord began to stir my spirit. He gave me the desire to share the revelation He gave me concerning Zechariah 4, being a message to the witness. It was November 3, 2015 when I was first able to share my message. Unbeknownst to me at that time, November 3, 2015 was exactly 12 years to the day that the Lord began to speak to me about Zechariah 4, and it's true meaning.
So I began sharing what I knew in November 2015. But, since that time the Lord has given me more scriptural evidence, to show this is absolutely a true. In early December the Lord unlocked the veiled messages in the book of Haggai. The ones that had been sealed to me, prior to that. I will share the next chronological message to the one whom God calls Zerubbabel.
It is found in Haggai 2:20-23
20The word of the LORD came a second time to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month, 21“Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I am about to shake the heavens and the earth,
Because it mentions the shaking of both the heavens and the earth, we know this has not yet occurred.
We know from Hebrews 12:25-27
Which was written more than 500 years after the book if Haggai.
Hebrews 12:25-27
25See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “YET ONCE MORE I WILL SHAKE NOT ONLY THE EARTH, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN.” 27This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
By this we know Haggai 2:20-23 is yet a future event.
Haggai 2:22
22and to overthrow the throne of kingdoms. I am about to destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the nations, and overthrow the chariots and their riders. And the horses and their riders shall go down, every one by the sword of his brother
Notice that this describes a war. Likely, orchestrated by the Lord however, a war where brother fights against brother. This does not describe the final shaking. The final shaking will be the Day Of the Lord. It is mentioned in Haggai 2:6.
Haggai 2:23
.23On that day, declares the LORD of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel my servant, the son of Shealtiel, declares the LORD, and make you like ac signet ring, for I have chosen you, declares the LORD of hosts.”
Again, here the Lord declared after this war He will make The one whom He calls Zerubbabel like a signet. A signet denotes power or authority to speak (witness) on behalf of the Lord (Jesus). Again a description can be found in Revelation 11:3 part
3“And I will grant authority to my two witnesses,
This is the significance of the signet, in Haggai 2:23. But, this does not represent the final 1260 days. However, it will be the beginning of Zerubbabel's ministry. There will be a gap of time between this, and when the 2 witnesses prophesying clothed in Sackcloth. After this shaking (war), it is my belief that the Lord will pour out His Spirit with great measure upon his faithful. He will empower Christians to witness with great effect, to a shaken world, ready to receive the Gospel message.
To one of the most important points of what I've written. The Lord has revealed to me that this message has gone forth (if you can accept that now). I don't know when the events described in Haggai 2:20-23 will occur exactly, but the message has gone forth. On the 24th day of the 9th month according to the Hebrew calendar, in our year 2015. Which represents the first day of the feast of dedication, which is Chanukah. However, it seems probable these events described in Haggai 2:20-23 will take place this year.
Haggai 2:20
20The word of the LORD came a second time to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month,(ninth month).
The interesting thing is, that when Haggai prophesied, this date had no meaning to the Jews. It wasn't until about 350 years later that the second temple was rededicated after being defiled. However, this date here represents something even more significant. The feast dates are a shadow of things to come according to Colossians 2:16-17
Colossians 2:16-17
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mereshadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
What I believe happened in the Heavenly Realm, on that date was something quite significant. I believe the spiritual temple (us) has been rededicated for building. And the Chief Builder (The Holy Spirit) will be poured out to commence a great revival. Be sure your spiritual house is in order, because we can't be assured which areas will be hit by this war. Put your trust in the Almighty because things are about to change. The opportunities that await us are unprecedented!
Remember, in the spiritual sense, the things that Joshua and Zerubbabel did. The offices and titles that they held were a type and shadow of things to come. In the Spiritual sense. Remember there were "friends" plural in front of Joshua that were also a symbol of things to come, as well. I believe if you are washed in his blood you were represented in that verse. As a symbol of good things to come! Be prepared because the spiritual work is soon to begin!!
8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.
Remember, those objects in Zechariah 4:2-3 and Zechariah 4:11-14 CAN NOT be separated from Zerubbabel! They represent the word of The Lord to Zerubbabel. Those objects = The word the Lord to Zerubbabel! Zerubbabel is just a symbol of this witness in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. Just as Joshua the high priest was not Christ. He was merely a symbol of Christ in Zechariah 3 and Zechariah 6 (for starters). So it is with Zerubbabel he will not return as the witness, but was merely a symbol of him.
All verses Nasb or ESV with 1 living bible.
won't get into all the scriptures that point to the term branch. It is most always used to describe an individual. Therefore, the angel answers Zechariah's question, when he inquires about the branches dripping with oil. It shows that they are Individual Gentile believers, who will be anointed.
This was the first message received by the one whom God calls Zerubbabel. It is found in Zechariah 4. It is how he came to find out he was that witness. Of course, I can't get into all the specifics on that.
In Spring of 2003 the pastor that married my wife and I had a vision. Eventually it was relayed to me. Later that year, On 11/03/2003 - 11/11/2003 the Lord revealed the true meaning of Zechariah 4 to me. I then remembered about the vision that was relayed to me. That vision confirmed what the Lord revealed to me. The next year unbeknownst to anyone, another brother in Christ confirmed this through another vision. So, I knew the true meaning of Zechariah 4, and I also knew Haggai 2:20-23 was another message to that witness. However for 12 years I couldn't unlock the true meaning.
Then after sometime later... in late October of 2015 a month or so after the blood moon in September, the Lord began to stir my spirit. He gave me the desire to share the revelation He gave me concerning Zechariah 4, being a message to the witness. It was November 3, 2015 when I was first able to share my message. Unbeknownst to me at that time, November 3, 2015 was exactly 12 years to the day that the Lord began to speak to me about Zechariah 4, and it's true meaning.
So I began sharing what I knew in November 2015. But, since that time the Lord has given me more scriptural evidence, to show this is absolutely a true. In early December the Lord unlocked the veiled messages in the book of Haggai. The ones that had been sealed to me, prior to that. I will share the next chronological message to the one whom God calls Zerubbabel.
It is found in Haggai 2:20-23
20The word of the LORD came a second time to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month, 21“Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I am about to shake the heavens and the earth,
Because it mentions the shaking of both the heavens and the earth, we know this has not yet occurred.
We know from Hebrews 12:25-27
Which was written more than 500 years after the book if Haggai.
Hebrews 12:25-27
25See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “YET ONCE MORE I WILL SHAKE NOT ONLY THE EARTH, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN.” 27This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
By this we know Haggai 2:20-23 is yet a future event.
Haggai 2:22
22and to overthrow the throne of kingdoms. I am about to destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the nations, and overthrow the chariots and their riders. And the horses and their riders shall go down, every one by the sword of his brother
Notice that this describes a war. Likely, orchestrated by the Lord however, a war where brother fights against brother. This does not describe the final shaking. The final shaking will be the Day Of the Lord. It is mentioned in Haggai 2:6.
Haggai 2:23
.23On that day, declares the LORD of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel my servant, the son of Shealtiel, declares the LORD, and make you like ac signet ring, for I have chosen you, declares the LORD of hosts.”
Again, here the Lord declared after this war He will make The one whom He calls Zerubbabel like a signet. A signet denotes power or authority to speak (witness) on behalf of the Lord (Jesus). Again a description can be found in Revelation 11:3 part
3“And I will grant authority to my two witnesses,
This is the significance of the signet, in Haggai 2:23. But, this does not represent the final 1260 days. However, it will be the beginning of Zerubbabel's ministry. There will be a gap of time between this, and when the 2 witnesses prophesying clothed in Sackcloth. After this shaking (war), it is my belief that the Lord will pour out His Spirit with great measure upon his faithful. He will empower Christians to witness with great effect, to a shaken world, ready to receive the Gospel message.
To one of the most important points of what I've written. The Lord has revealed to me that this message has gone forth (if you can accept that now). I don't know when the events described in Haggai 2:20-23 will occur exactly, but the message has gone forth. On the 24th day of the 9th month according to the Hebrew calendar, in our year 2015. Which represents the first day of the feast of dedication, which is Chanukah. However, it seems probable these events described in Haggai 2:20-23 will take place this year.
Haggai 2:20
20The word of the LORD came a second time to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month,(ninth month).
The interesting thing is, that when Haggai prophesied, this date had no meaning to the Jews. It wasn't until about 350 years later that the second temple was rededicated after being defiled. However, this date here represents something even more significant. The feast dates are a shadow of things to come according to Colossians 2:16-17
Colossians 2:16-17
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mereshadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
What I believe happened in the Heavenly Realm, on that date was something quite significant. I believe the spiritual temple (us) has been rededicated for building. And the Chief Builder (The Holy Spirit) will be poured out to commence a great revival. Be sure your spiritual house is in order, because we can't be assured which areas will be hit by this war. Put your trust in the Almighty because things are about to change. The opportunities that await us are unprecedented!
Remember, in the spiritual sense, the things that Joshua and Zerubbabel did. The offices and titles that they held were a type and shadow of things to come. In the Spiritual sense. Remember there were "friends" plural in front of Joshua that were also a symbol of things to come, as well. I believe if you are washed in his blood you were represented in that verse. As a symbol of good things to come! Be prepared because the spiritual work is soon to begin!!
8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.
Remember, those objects in Zechariah 4:2-3 and Zechariah 4:11-14 CAN NOT be separated from Zerubbabel! They represent the word of The Lord to Zerubbabel. Those objects = The word the Lord to Zerubbabel! Zerubbabel is just a symbol of this witness in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. Just as Joshua the high priest was not Christ. He was merely a symbol of Christ in Zechariah 3 and Zechariah 6 (for starters). So it is with Zerubbabel he will not return as the witness, but was merely a symbol of him.
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dianegcook
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Very interesting concepts.
Could be 2 individuals from the 2 churches, that God found no fault.
Thanks for your study.
Things to ponder on.
Week by week this just keeps getting better. Haggai 2:20-23 is a message to Zerubbabel who represents 1 of the 2 witnesses. Zechariah 4 is also a message to him. He is likened to a Lampstand in Revelation 11:4. The word of the Lord in Haggai 2:20-23 comes on the day, which would later become, the first day of the feast of dedication (Chanukah), at sundown (24th day of 9th month). When it (the message), was received by Haggai the significance of that date was unknown. It later became known as the feast of dedication, where the menorah (lampstand), is said to have supernaturally burned for 8 days. One of the real meanings of Chanukah is Gods supernatural power provided to His people, to resist the oppression of the heathens in a time of struggle. Like he helped the Maccabees overcome the tyranny of the then worldly empire. It's a type and shadow of the Lords lampstand (witness Zerubbabel ), who will be standing in resistance, with Gods supernatural power...resisting the worldly system of the antichrist.
This is another thing I found out. On the first Shabbat (sabbath), during the feast of dedication (Chanukah), there is a special reading. The reading is from the prophet Zechariah. The final 7 verses that are read, is Zechariah 4:1-7. Which describes Gods message to Zerubbabel. Who represents The Lampstand, one of the 2 witnesses. They think it's about a physical menorah (lampstand). It's not just about that though. It's about Gods 2 witnesses (the Lampstands), who will be standing in resistance to the antichrist and the world system.
Prophesying to the Jews and the world. It's also interesting to know that Zechariah received his word from the Lord in Zechariah 4 exactly 2 months to the day after Haggai received Haggai 2:20-23.
Oh. and about the other witness. Whoever, says it's the wife of the witness,(who is the one God calls Zerubbabel), might be spot on. I'm not for sure, but if I had a guess, that's what I would say. This would have been the farthest thing from my mind a year ago, but I think that's how it is.
Dates of interest for the events in Haggai 2:20-23 to transpire. My guess, it'll be this year. Looking at Purim, or the 1st of Elul, or the feast of tabernacles as dates of possible interest. Of course, I couldn't rule out anytime between those dates. I'm just saying, IMO, those are dates of interest.
Remember, when I speak of a spiritual temple, it's just referring to the Body of Christ. The building of the spiritual temple, is the edification of the Body of Christ, or Church.
This is another thing I found out. On the first Shabbat (sabbath), during the feast of dedication (Chanukah), there is a special reading. The reading is from the prophet Zechariah. The final 7 verses that are read, is Zechariah 4:1-7. Which describes Gods message to Zerubbabel. Who represents The Lampstand, one of the 2 witnesses. They think it's about a physical menorah (lampstand). It's not just about that though. It's about Gods 2 witnesses (the Lampstands), who will be standing in resistance to the antichrist and the world system.
Prophesying to the Jews and the world. It's also interesting to know that Zechariah received his word from the Lord in Zechariah 4 exactly 2 months to the day after Haggai received Haggai 2:20-23.
Oh. and about the other witness. Whoever, says it's the wife of the witness,(who is the one God calls Zerubbabel), might be spot on. I'm not for sure, but if I had a guess, that's what I would say. This would have been the farthest thing from my mind a year ago, but I think that's how it is.
Dates of interest for the events in Haggai 2:20-23 to transpire. My guess, it'll be this year. Looking at Purim, or the 1st of Elul, or the feast of tabernacles as dates of possible interest. Of course, I couldn't rule out anytime between those dates. I'm just saying, IMO, those are dates of interest.
Remember, when I speak of a spiritual temple, it's just referring to the Body of Christ. The building of the spiritual temple, is the edification of the Body of Christ, or Church.
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