Who Believes We Are In The End Time??

[Chris.]

60% yes, 40% no.

 

[reba]

Reba was born in 1946 I remember the talk ...

Israel became a state 1948

They said the end was to be 1955. opps

ok so now they say the end will be a generation jump to 1988 opps

O we messed up a generation is 70 no 80 years...

Makes me wonder if 'they' are looking to the wrong thing to see what the Lord is doing.

Christ is building His Church.. The Church has ebbs and flows ups and downs but it has many many more members, of the Body, then it did 2000 years ago...

 

[Stormcrow]

christ came back not as a spirit but as god in the flesh after his death.

Yes, I agree.

paul also said that if christ is raised with a body, so shall we be raised with a body.

Was Paul writing to us, living 2,000 years later in America? Or was he writing to Jews and Gentiles of the early church of 50 something AD in Corinth?

Who is the we Paul is addressing here, Jason???

 

[Stormcrow]

then why hasnt the church been preterist since the time of the ecf's if it so obvious?

I can't answer that. Even if I could, would it matter? What matters are the words of Christ as left to us by His apostles. And the words of Christ tell us He would return at the end of the age before that generation had passed. Now either Christ is true or He is not. It doesn't matter what anyone else believes about this, did Christ say those words?

If He did, and He is who He claimed to be, do we have any other choice than to believe Him, even at the expense of what we have been taught all these years?

This all comes down to one question: Can Christ be wrong? If so, why follow Him? If not, why not take Him at His word?

 

[reba]

Some how i dont believe the Scripture were only written to those 2000 years ago. The Word to me is Living. Many books/documents speak to, who ,when ever, is now generations later.

The fables like the ant and the grass hopper still hold truth...How much more the Holy Word of God.

Some of the Scriptures were written to this Church or that but still hold truth for today.


Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[Elijah674]

I believe that we are in these very end times. And there is a lot of satanic force being applied to the leading folks in government, the News Casts, and even on forums. Money plays put an extra amount of presure for ones 'morality'. Here is a post from another site that might be understood & even be of use here on this site? --Elijah
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]p.s. and SOH is posting "why I believe Judas was saved". [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Not defending the person/poster, but I am defending the right of that poster to have that opinion. He is stating "I believe". They have that right. Are you trying to take away that right? I hope not. [/FONT]



The issue is not him posting his doctrine. It is that if anyone disagrees with his doctrine, he immediately judges them as non-Christian.

If all he wanted to do was post his doctrine, I would say let him go. Then because people were ignoring him and his doctrine, he posts it in the general forum.

And then he defends his breaking the rules here by saying they are not Godly....please. I find nothing good in this man, nothing.
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OK: Be nice Elijah!?? Remain silent?? Is that being nice??

God let satan live, why? Even Cain! And here comes someone created that knows what is INSIDE OF ANOTHER'S HEART + MIND???? 'i' do not buy that!

Nor one claiming to know the end from the beginning of any person. Such as what might have been?? David looked good to most even before he came surely very close to ship/wreck. (meaning Psalms 19:13's kind.. see Psalms 51 after conversion)

And Christ to Peter before he went out & wept bitterly?? 'satan has desired to have thee... AFTER THOU ART CONVERTED GO..' But here we see many thinking that they can know (read MINDS!) of who it is or will be that 'they can CENSOR OUT!!'

And Saul (Paul to be) in Acts 7-9 has your judgement knowing that he needed to be tossed out!

No, 'i' suggest that most get out of the mind reading stuff & just stick to 'Doctrinal Truths'! There in lay's HATRED FOR satan's GARBAGE, not the person of the FALSE TEACHING. Not yet at least, before it is ALL FINISHED!!

These ones of Rev. 3:16 just might understand that the very cold ones are more apt to 'yield' to the Holy Spirits Strivings before these that are to be spewed out as sickly and 'lukewarm' ones!
--Elijah

PS: And to the owner of this site? he truely so far understands what Religeous Liberty with God, is all about.

 

[Stormcrow]

sir i use a kjv and when i need to get some commentary i go to either adam clarke or matthew henry and when were these guys alive? before america was even a nation.

they are hardly futurist in nature.

I haven't presented commentary from a single writer in any of these posts I've made. I have presented what some translations of the Bible read versus what a literal translation of the Bible reads. I've only read snippets of Clarke - not much more of Henry.

That's not the point.

I'm trying to show you how a mistranslation changes the entire meaning of a verse which - in turn - can create an entire false doctrine around it.

Did you know before a few hours ago that 1Cor.15:26 actually agrees with 2Tim.1:10 in the Greek? I didn't. I think it's good to know because it brings us one step closer to the truth. That's a good thing, don't you think?

and was made manifest now through the manifestation of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who indeed did abolish death, and did enlighten life and immortality through the good news, 2 Timothy 1:10 (YLT)

the last enemy is done away--death; for all things He did put under his feet...1 Corinthians 15:26-27 (YLT)

No commentary needed. Plain as the day is long. Question is, do you believe it?

 

[Stormcrow]

I believe that we are in these very end times. And there is a lot of satanic force being applied to the leading folks in government, the News Casts, and even on forums.

The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers. 1 Peter 4:7 (ESV)

Was this written to us or to those living during the time Peter wrote it?

But as it is, he [Christ] has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Hebrews 9:26 (ESV)

When was the "end of the ages?" Was it when Christ appeared to put away sin, or sometime in an indeterminate future?

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Luke 21:20 (ESV)

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Matthew 24:21 (ESV)

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:29-30 (ESV)

Immediately after the tribulation of what days???

“At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:1-2 (ESV)

having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous; Acts 24:15 (YLT)

I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign-- 2 Timothy 4:1 (YLT)

What Daniel saw, what Christ taught, what Matthew and Luke wrote, and what Paul spoke to Felix in his defense and wrote to Timothy all point to a second coming of Christ with a resurrection of the just and unjust and a judgment that would happen concurrent with the destruction of Jerusalem: a destruction that happened before that generation had passed - just as Christ said it would.

So are we in the "end times?" No. We are in the glorious age of God's grace wherein whosoever thirsts can drink freely from the water of life and all who desire to do so may boldly approach the throne of grace.

 

[Elijah674]

then why hasnt the church been preterist since the time of the ecf's if it so obvious?

restoration to something man once had and what was that? live immortal with God. your plan must dictate that we are spirits first and from heaven. which we arent we are from the earth with a spirit in this earthly body.

if the cross was the key then why did paul say that? he wouldnt have to seen the finaly enemy of death would be dealt with? it would be done already. the cross is where it starts but not where it finished.jesus has to finally end death and that occurs when he comes back to finish what he started.

paul also said that if christ is raised with a body, so shall we be raised with a body. christ came back not as a spirit but as god in the flesh after his death.

Heb. 1
[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

What do you make of this N.T. Inspiration? Good verses of Truth, huh?

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

if the cross was the key then why did paul say that? he wouldnt have to seen the finaly enemy of death would be dealt with? it would be done already. the cross is where it starts but not where it finished.jesus has to finally end death and that occurs when he comes back to finish what he started.

and was made manifest now through the manifestation of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who indeed did abolish death, and did enlighten life and immortality through the good news, 2 Timothy 1:10 (YLT)

the last enemy is done away--death; for all things He did put under his feet...1 Corinthians 15:26-27 (YLT)

Seems pretty clear, Jason. The gospel of Christ is the preaching of the cross.

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2 (ESV)

There is nothing more that can be done to save you from sin and death. Nothing. Jesus finished it all on the cross. Anything else is another gospel.

 

[Stormcrow]

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son...

There can only be one "last days" when Christ spoke to His apostles, and these aren't them.

 

[Stormcrow]

Some how i dont believe the Scripture were only written to those 2000 years ago.

None of it was written to us (look at the addressees of Paul's letters). All of it was preserved for us so that we could know the gospel, too.

 

[John 8:32]

There can only be one "last days" when Christ spoke to His apostles, and these aren't them.

Just out of curiosity, what comes after last?

 

[reba]

Just out of curiosity, what comes after last?

Eternity

 

[farouk]

Well, I think it's obvious: look up the phrase 'last days' in the New Testament, and see.

But the believer is not looking for things to get worse (even though they do). Rather, there is the sure and joyous prospect of the Lord Jesus' coming for His people: John 14, 1 Thess. 4, etc.

 

[reba]

Well, I think it's obvious: look up the phrase 'last days' in the New Testament, and see.

But the believer is not looking for things to get worse (even though they do). Rather, there is the sure and joyous prospect of the Lord Jesus' coming for His people: John 14, 1 Thess. 4, etc.

Look up last 'day'

 

[Elijah674]

Look up last 'day'

You will need to be more clear than that, for some do not yet 'see' to good!;) (nothing mean meant by that!) But just the fact that some scripture that is 'spiritually decerned' has some just not seeing so good, and missing the 's' in the plural that you had not purposely posted up. (is that right??)

Example would be Rev. 17:1-5 with even the compilar's caps!
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

It surely has been the END TIME that most have 'SEEN' the plural of daughters in verse 5. And as you note, there is a vast difference in End Time or in end times! Or??? as in just one daughter or daughter's!

 

[Lloyd]

How about this?

3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.†5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.




So, this passage explains that the earth was destroyed by water (i.e the Flood)


Peter then goes on to say the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire.


So, are some of you suggesting the latter isn't a literal event?


I am not saying we are in end times (to keep up with the original thread), but I certainly believe in a future event. The last days IMHO will be the above passage. If not, then we'd have to presume Peter is talking of spiritual matters, but having eluded to the flood prior to that, I'm pretty sure it's a literal event (reserved for fire).


Lloyd.

 

[rainbows]

Hello those that hold to Preterism.

How do you explain the following quotes;

1 Thessalonians 5

1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,
2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,†destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Notice that people are saying "peace and safety", surely Israel under Roman
rulership was never thinking of peace and safety?

Now, in the following verses, Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with
His powerful angels. This is the return of Christ.

2 Thessalonians 1

7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed.

What sayeth thee to these verseth?

 

[reba]

Elijah, a simple reference to the differences between last days and last day.

Jesus said the resurrection is the last day.