Mungo
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What bearing does that have on this discussion?
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Who Changed The Sabbath To Sunday?
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What bearing does that have on this discussion?
None, but in post #39 of this thread, you said:
Of course Jesus kept the sabbath. He was a Jew living under the Mosaic covenant.
We are not Jews living under the Mosaic covenant.
Well, He was doing the will of His Father, and I was replying to what you were saying.
Mungo
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Oh yes, I see. The will of his Father was that, because he was a Jew, he had to keep the Mosaic Law
He obeyed His Father
Mungo
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Of course he did.
So what is your point?
As Jesus was doing His Father's will as His custom was in Luke 4:16, I believe He was doing that from the Seventh Day of creation.
Mungo
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What? He went into a synagogue and read every 7th day since the 7th day of creation?
You have some strange beliefs.
There is no Jewish sabbath in scripture, but was to be the seventh day of rest as God rested on the seventh day from all His work. We have showed you how the Roman Empire changed that day from Saturday to Sunday worship as they bow down to their false sun god Ra and worship this idol.
The Sabbath talked about in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11 is Gods day of rest from all the work He accomplished that week. God hand wrote the commandment on tablet of stone as a day to keep holy in remembrance of all He created that was good and rested from all His work. It wasn't that God was tired, but that in a sense it's like taking a day off to do nothing as you finished your work for the week.
In Matthew 12:1-13 the Pharisees tried to accuse Jesus and His disciples of breaking the Sabbath and working that day as the disciples pluck some corn to eat while they were walking with Jesus in the field and that Jesus healing on the Sabbath, especially in the synagogue, was that of works, but Jesus told them it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath, which is different then working.
Yes, I know that, He also kept that 4th. commandment that He gave Moses, to remember the Sabbath Day.
Mungo
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And I have shown that it was not the Roman Empire that moved the day of worship for Christians from Saturday to Sunday. It happened back in the 1st century
I think you are mixing gods up. Ra was an Egyptian god not Roman. And Christians, Catholic or otherwise, bow down to neither of them.
The sabbath is not mentioned in Gen 2:1-3. And when God gave the sabbath to the Israelites in the desert (Ex 16) it was for them alone. It was never given to gentiles.
I don't see the relevance of that comment.
Mungo
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Of course he did. He was a Jew and kept the Jewish Law.
Christians are not Jews.
Scripture, please
Yes, I did mix Ra up with the Roman sun god Sol Indiges that one can trace the roots of this back to Nimrod and Babylonian Empire through the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church. Anyone can look up the history and also statues depicting the sun god and why sabbath was changed to Sun-day.
The Real Jesus Revisited
He came to His own, the Jews, who did not receive Him. Only a comparative few accepted Him as the Messiah.
John 1:11
Jesus Himself was a thorough-going Jew, brought up in the Jewish faith and traditions and according to the Laws of Moses. He never taught against them. He Himself was circumcised as a baby boy on the eighth day, according to the Law Luke 2:21.
His family observed the law of purification, according to the Law of Moses Luke 2:22.
Joseph and Mary did everything required by the Law of the Lord Luke 2:39.
Jesus own teaching methods were right in line with the traditional teaching methods of the scribes sand Pharisees.
They understood Him to be a Rabbi, similar to themselves, akin in many ways to the Pharisees, and therefore they allowed Him to participate in and to teach in synagogue services.
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Genesis 2:1-3 was the first Saturday sabbath, a day of rest. In Exodus 16 Moses repeats the seventh day as a day of rest in worshipping God for what He had done in all of His creation.
Exodus 16:23 And he (Moses)said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD.
The Saturday sabbath is holy unto the Lord, sanctified, which means set apart that we should worship Him in remembrance of His creation way before their were any Jew or Gentile, before the foundation of any religions.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
It only took one man to change the holy day from Saturday to Sunday so who was that one man?
The relevance was to show how people fall under the leadership of Roman rule.
The reason I mentioned the Pharisee's in post 48 was they were always looking for a way to put Jesus to death. They put Jesus in chains and brought Him before Pilate the Roman governor. The Sadducees and Pharisees compromised with the Roman rulers as they were the elite of Jewish society. They were priest, merchants and aristocrats. They supported the Roman authorities because they enjoyed a privileged status under Roman rule. This is why they accused Jesus of breaking the sabbath.
Do you celebrate Passover as a day of remembrance?
Jews and Christians are to remember the sabbath day and to keep it holy as God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made, Genesis 2:3. Sanctified means set apart and the 4th commandment only says to remember the sabbath as in all, not just the Jews.
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Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.
God rested on that particular 7th day. It doesn't say God rested every 7th day, any more than he created plants every 3rd day or fish and birds every 5th day.
There is no indication that Adam and Eve rested on the 7th day. Indeed since they were in Paradise there was no work for them to do. It was not until they fell and were expelled that God says to Adam:
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." (Gen 3:17-19).
God didn't tell them to rest every 7th day.
Moreover the writer of Hebrews makes a point that God’s work was completed in the six days and so God’s rest is continuous.
“…although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way, "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." (Heb 4:3-4).
There is no cycle of God working for six days and resting every seventh day.
There is no mention of anyone keeping a sabbath until Ex 16 when the instruction was given to the Israelites in the desert. And it is clear they did not understand the concept. In Ex 20 God reminds them about keeping the sabbath, and again in Ex 35 God reminds Moses about keeping the sabbath, and again in Lev 23.
There is no evidence whatsoever in the Bible that anyone kept a 7th day sabbath before Ex 16.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.
God rested on that particular 7th day. It doesn't say God rested every 7th day, any more than he created plants every 3rd day or fish and birds every 5th day.
There is no indication that Adam and Eve rested on the 7th day. Indeed since they were in Paradise there was no work for them to do. It was not until they fell and were expelled that God says to Adam:
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." (Gen 3:17-19).
God didn't tell them to rest every 7th day.
Moreover the writer of Hebrews makes a point that God’s work was completed in the six days and so God’s rest is continuous.
“…although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way, "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." (Heb 4:3-4).
There is no cycle of God working for six days and resting every seventh day.
There is no mention of anyone keeping a sabbath until Ex 16 when the instruction was given to the Israelites in the desert. And it is clear they did not understand the concept. In Ex 20 God reminds them about keeping the sabbath, and again in Ex 35 God reminds Moses about keeping the sabbath, and again in Lev 23.
There is no evidence whatsoever in the Bible that anyone kept a 7th day sabbath before Ex 16.
Mungo
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The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews alone as their covenant law. They were not given to gentiles. It was a sign of their covenant.
The sabbath commandment is the longest of the commandments which indicates that God had to really ram it home to them.
I have noticed in some of your posts that you have some strange beliefs, instead of letting the scriptures speak for themselves. 2 Peter 1:20