Who nailed Him ?

[jasoncran]

he doesnt know what anti-semetiscm is. i know what that is. i have learned to look for that stuff.

 

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he doesnt know what anti-semetiscm is. i know what that is. i have learned to look for that stuff.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh

 

[Hitch]

Not a fan of Jew bashing.

Neither are you a fan of the Apostle Peter.:biglol

 

[BornAgain]

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh

2 Cor 5:16 KJV
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Some had been drawn to Christ after the flesh, or because He was the seed of Abraham.

yet now we know him so no more. We will know him no more on this ground, but will know him only as the Son of God, the Redeemer of the world. No man became a Christian, or a child of God, because he was a fleshly descendant of Abraham, or even of the family of which Christ was born. Even the brothers of Jesus did not at first believe on him and were no better because of kinship to him. But this may mean that "the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14. Christ was manifest in the flesh and was known in the flesh; but after he ascended to heaven and is still in heaven in his glorified body, he is not known in the flesh, but is the Savior, Prophet, Priest, and King.

 

[jasoncran]

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh

uh no. theres one here you have engaged and i know you dont know nor see it. im not that one.

tell me what do they the kkk teach on jews, the talmud? or what the does the modern anti-semite say about isreal and 9-11? or the international bankers?

what verses do they use to say that isreal isnt God choosen? that real isreal is white not the kenites? what verse or book do they use?

 

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please , smaller i know far more about blind jews then you will ever know. my grandmother died last year. theres much about judiasm i wish i know more about so that i could do as i do now to reach her.

i spend alot of time reading jewish articles and discussing them. i know and see their blindness. the jews said clearly to pilot" His blood be upon us and our children.." and"crucify him" that to me says they knew what they were doing and wanted him did.

feel free read some that i have posted here. chai isreal.(long live isreal!)i may be a christian but isreal is never far from heart. but i will not place isreal above my LORD.

Paul's point of fact remains. God Himself PUT a covering upon them so they could neither hear or see. It is quite pointless to blame them for what God did.

God places that covering and God removes same in those He elects to see and hear.

Whether any hear or not it serves Gods Purposes regardless, as it did to 'use' all the participants in the crucifixion of His Son. They were 'used' according to Gods Purposes.

Romans 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

It is not much different than with Jesus. The uses of Gods 'made' enemies served to show Gods Superiority over all of same, and to declare His Son to all the earth.

Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay

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uh no. theres one here you have engaged and i know you dont know nor see it. im not that one.

tell me what do they the kkk teach on jews, the talmud? or what the does the modern anti-semite say about isreal and 9-11? or the international bankers?

what verses do they use to say that isreal isnt God choosen? that real isreal is white not the kenites? what verse or book do they use?

They'll use just about any that suit their flesh man sights to deride others and justify themselves.

Nothing has changed much in the 'world' of resistance.
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[jasoncran]

no poster here has said that. i would know, as i would say something of that. to call the jews who murdered our Lord on the cross cant be anti-semite.

if not then why does god call ancient isreal WORSE then sodom and gommorah? did he hate them too?

 

[BornAgain]

Paul's point of fact remains. God Himself PUT a covering upon them so they could neither hear or see. It is quite pointless to blame them for what God did.


Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay

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Romans 9:21 KJV

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

This refers to the parable of the potter, and is so significant that I quote it in full: "The word which came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying, Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he was making a work on the wheels. And when the vessel that he made of the clay was marred in the hand of the potter, he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it." Jer 18:1-4. In this it is seen that the potter proposed to make of the clay a vessel unto honor, and it was only when the clay marred in his hand and showed its unfitness to be so made "that he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it." As the clay marred in his hands, it was unfit for a vessel of honor; so he made a common vessel unto dishonor.
Now, the point to be illustrated in the figure, and you will find that the way of God's dealing with Israel was conditional: "Then the word of Jehovah came to me, saying, O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? said Jehovah. Behold, as the clay in the potter's hand, so are ye in my hand, O house of Israel.

At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up and to break down and to destroy it; if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; if they do that which is evil in my sight, that they obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them." Jer 18:5-10.

"As the clay in the potter's hand, so. are ye in my hand, O house of Israel." It is clear that it does not mean that as the clay is passive in the hands of the potter, so Israel is destitute of all power in the hands of Jehovah; but that as the clay is subject to the power of the potter, who will make of it a vessel of honor or dishonor, according to the fitness of the material, so will the God of Israel deal with his people according to the proper use or the sinful abuse of their free agency, in either doing good or evil in his sight.

 

[jasoncran]

so then why then do jews like me come to the lord? why did others jews come to the lord? smaller what exactly is a jew? a hebrew? and isrealite to you?

i didnt come to the lord over any prophecy about isreal. trust me i came to the lord because my life was in shambles. my brother is the same reason. my dad im sure too.

sheesh, zionism doesnt mix well with the bible. its not for Isreal so loved the world that he died for them.
rather its the world. he went to the house of isreal to get them to get on board his plan of salvation and some did but many didnt. the twelve did. they are of isreal not those that rejected.

annias, and the pharisees that denied the lord are anti-christs and they died likely as such. paul was one and so was others(the 3000)

 

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no poster here has said that. i would know, as i would say something of that. to call the jews who murdered our Lord on the cross cant be anti-semite.

if not then why does god call ancient isreal WORSE then sodom and gommorah? did he hate them too?

You continue to miss the point Jason.

God put a spirit of slumber upon them.

Why in that fact do you NOT see THE JEW and 'the spirit of slumber' placed upon them?

It is a BLIND SIGHT to NOT see the 'spirit of slumber' and only see A JEW.

I presume you love your Jewish Grandmother. Are you going to believe Paul, that all of Israel shall be saved, even enemies of the Gospel as it pertains to Israel and also LOVE her anyway, understanding what is going on? Or are you going to be yourself blinded to the fact that the spirit of slumber is INTENTIONALLY PLACED by God?

To me it's a no brainer. Love her like you should and understand what is going on.

If I considered myself a faithful Jew I would certainly hesitate to jump into the confused snake pit that much of christianity has fallen into myself.

There are 'many' claimers to exclusive right understandings.

The man in faith who is blessed will come bearing his own iniquity and shortsightedness and pray for Gods mercy, knowing our need of same and it will be shown to such.

And such will NOT hold back on others either, particularly Christians with an Israelite heritage. You should at least be expected to know their condition and to love them.

That is your MINIMUM call in and as an example.

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[Hitch]

Aint literalism fun?

 

[BornAgain]

so then why then do jews like me come to the lord? why did others jews come to the lord? smaller what exactly is a jew? a hebrew? and isrealite to you?

i didnt come to the lord over any prophecy about isreal. trust me i came to the lord because my life was in shambles. my brother is the same reason. my dad im sure too.

sheesh, zionism doesnt mix well with the bible. its not for Isreal so loved the world that he died for them.
rather its the world. he went to the house of isreal to get them to get on board his plan of salvation and some did but many didnt. the twelve did. they are of isreal not those that rejected.

annias, and the pharisees that denied the lord are anti-christs and they died likely as such. paul was one and so was others(the 3000)

Romans 2:11

For there is no respect of persons with God.

To respect a person is to be partial to him on account of his family relationship, wealth, learning, social or political standing. As God does not respect persons, the Jew stands before him on the same ground as the Greek; so that, without some new means of approach, he is lost. If he can be made to see the hopelessness of his trust in his being a son of Abraham, his circumcision, his legal religion, and the partiality of God, he will be prepared for the message of "justification through faith in Christ."

 

[jasoncran]

sorry.


define isreal?

is it a menorah? the arc of the covanant? the temple mount?jerusalem

or is it flesh and blood of men and women that believe on the Lord. isreal had a plan from god to be a light unto the nations. they failed. so why would go then return to the law and have them be that light agian when the writer of hebrews said the Law cant save. isreal cant be that ever again.

isreal is blind today because they choose to be. nah i wouldnt know that. i dont see it.

here just one example of that for you all.

The Ramban1 notes that the three wells dug by Yitzchok hint at the three Temples the two that have been destroyed, and the third, which will be built when our righteous Moshiach comes, may it be speedily in our days.
"A well of living waters" alludes to the Temples, for they are called "living waters." When G-d first commanded that the Tabernacle be built, He said:2 "And you shall make for Me a Temple ([a holy place], and I shall dwell among them." Our sages3 observe that it would seem more appropriate for the verse to have said, "And I shall dwell in it." Why then does the verse say "I shall dwell among them"?
It means to teach us, say our sages, that G-d dwells within each and every Jew, that every Jewish mind and heart is a Temple to G-d.
There are two ways of serving G-d: drawing down from above, and elevating that which is below.
The Temple is termed a "well," because, like a well, the main services there involved elevating that which was below.
The service of Torah study is an example of drawing down that which is above. When a person conducts himself in accordance with the Torah, its light illuminates all his physical affairs. Torah is wholly "above," for it is G-d's wisdom and will.4 It illuminates what is "below," as it is written: "and Torah is illumination."5 All that is necessary [for the illumination to permeate this world] is for a person to conduct himself in accordance with the Torah.
The second kind of spiritual service is elevation from below, a prime example of which is prayer. Prayer elevates all that is below by purifying and refining it. This is like a well, drawing up from below, as it is written:6 "Well, arise!" Though the service of prayer, similar to a well, is from below to above, nevertheless it is to be permeated with the spirit of Torah, just as the study of Torah must be in accordance with the humility that permeates prayer, as our sages have said:7 "One should begin praying only after attaining a state of serious [and humble] demeanor."
Contemplating G-d's greatness during prayer helps one realize the true quality of Torah that it is G-d's divine wisdom and will, and therefore must be studied with humility. The verse8 states it thus: "My tongue shall but repeat Your sayings," like one who repeats exactly what he has heard. When one studies Torah, one should feel as if he were repeating [after G-d] the divine words which are Torah.
All this results from one's service of prayer. Similarly, one's prayer should be in accordance with Torah. This then is the meaning of "Garden springs; a well of living waters..." The spiritual service that resembles "a well of living waters" reveals the "garden springs" of the soul.
In summary: The three wells hint at the three Temples. The first and second Temples were destroyed because of our sins. This is the meaning of Eisek and Sitnah, argument and enmity [sins of baseless hatred that caused the destruction of the Temple]. Rechovos, "broad spaces" refers to the third Temple, which shall be eternal. The service of Torah is to draw down, and the service of prayer is to elevate.

that is from a man who denies our lord. he know of christianity then and yet wrot that and what does jesus say?

"destroy this temple and i will raise it in three days"

paul says our bodies are a temple. and jesus also said "believe on me and out of thy belly shall living waters flow"

simple jewish thought.yet after ten centuries the ramban says that and viola they dont see it because Jesus didnt do what they WANTED for him. to restore isreal and to be that LIGHT unto the Gentiles. hmm actually he did plan to make isreal that light they got how he would do it all wrong. it wasnt about land. but rather they would have to go to the world rather the world come to them.

 

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so then why then do jews like me come to the lord? why did others jews come to the lord? smaller what exactly is a jew? a hebrew? and isrealite to you?

I insist to not know any by those terms as the scriptures have shown. That being said to communicate is to show some respect to people's life and background.

Paul showed this matter as well, becoming 'like those' he was trying to reach out to.

"I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

It does none of us any good to Jew bash or to Muslim bash or any other kind of bash if our intent is to REACH them.

i didnt come to the lord over any prophecy about isreal. trust me i came to the lord because my life was in shambles. my brother is the same reason. my dad im sure too.

And God often finds us at our absolute worst and bottom. It is and remains HE who pulls us from the pit of sin and despair.

sheesh, zionism doesnt mix well with the bible. its not for Isreal so loved the world that he died for them.
rather its the world. he went to the house of isreal to get them to get on board his plan of salvation and some did but many didnt. the twelve did. they are of isreal not those that rejected.

Israel and it's people are the natural showing of spiritual matters. I do not denigrate what God has shown and revealed therein.

annias, and the pharisees that denied the lord are anti-christs and they died likely as such. paul was one and so was others(the 3000)

Saul was a blinded servant of Satan just like everyone else is prior to belief.

We are all who believe, TURNED from that power. It is quite pointless to look at 'men' being anti-Christs as the anti-Christ is a spirit of resistance to Christ that BLINDS men from Him.

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[jasoncran]

literalism indeed.

i quote"

Romans 10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

remnant according to election, this means men and women like me. land here in this promise to make that election? i dont recall god dying for my house.

 

[jasoncran]

smaller. jew bash? yeah. uhm i dont mention the man jesus to jews they get insulted. i use other means. i call jesus the living breathing torah. i call him all that isreal is.i tell them that jesus quote moses and corrected the pharisees on their torah and taught Love from the torah. i tell them that they dont have to stop being kosher if they dont want too. i tell them other things that i can speak on their terms from their tanach to show what the christians have.

i have done this to an orthodox jewess. she didnt convert but she did admit this" i never heard of jesus as a jew like you put him!" i can even show them in the torah where he is mention and by the gemetria. they know about that and also can use their scholars to point them to our lord.

i did just that in this thread with the ramban quote.so please, isreal that context is a nation of PEOPLE. God wants people, the land was a blessing because he loved them and it has a context of what his redeemed then and now are going through.

 

[smaller]

smaller. jew bash? yeah. uhm i dont mention the man jesus to jews they get insulted. i use other means. i call jesus the living breathing torah.

And that is an excellent sight!

They also know God Is A Spirit.

Most Jews who are led to have an interest also know that the Spirit of God was 'in' Jews to speak His Words. Most accept this for the fact it was.

i call him all that isreal is.i tell them that jesus quote moses and corrected the pharisees on their torah and taught Love from the torah. i tell them that they dont have to stop being kosher if they dont want too. i tell them other things that i can speak on their terms from their tanach to show what the christians have.

Very true. Paul had no issues in participation in their ceremonial activities. Though he may very well have seen same much differently then they.

i have done this to an orthodox jewess. she didnt convert but she did admit this" i never heard of jesus as a jew like you put him!" i can even show them in the torah where he is mention and by the gemetria. they know about that and also can use their scholars to point them to our lord.

The best example you will ever put forth is Christ in you showing Love and Mercy abundant. The 'fruit' of His Produce. And you also exhibit excellent wisdom above as well.

i did just that in this thread with the ramban quote.so please, isreal that context is a nation of PEOPLE. God wants people, the land was a blessing because he loved them and it has a context of what his redeemed then and now are going through.

The 'land' we are to receive is our own eternal body. Their 'land' was a sideshow in the natural of the main event yet to come. And many of them will also understand this. Even the Pharisees held to the resurrection.

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[jasoncran]

ok so then we agree? that that verse in romans speaks not of a returned isreal physically but a remnant of isreal that is saved? hmm makes sense to me.

not that the kingdom wont be restored to them but we arent meant to know as jesus said i dont know and you arent to concern yourself with that. see acts 1:8

actually jews dont see god like we do. well most gentile church goers. they see god differently in that they believe that he is a spirit but that is complicated and i would have to go into some reading to make sure that i have grasped it right.

ie they believe that the ruach of YHWH moved on the earth but not like we would say it but rather that that the vav of god moved. breathe as he he shone on it and the earth moved.

 

[smaller]

ok so then we agree? that that verse in romans speaks not of a returned isreal physically but a remnant of isreal that is saved? hmm makes sense to me.

not that the kingdom wont be restored to them but we arent meant to know as jesus said i dont know and you arent to concern yourself with that. see acts 1:8

The Image of God, in His Son remains also a promise to come for all of them as well.

Gods Words were CHRIST IN FLESH. Follow the line of spiritual intent:

Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

None of us can do that for anyone. It is The Work of God in Christ.

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