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Bible Study Who's On The Narrow Road?

Who is on the narrow road?
The Spirit of Christ and all those called forth to the resurrection of life?

Who is on the wide road?
The Spirit of Christ and all those called forth to the resurrection of damnation?
These are they who shall cry out, but Lord, Lord, have we not done all this in your name.........
These are they who shall enter in by the second death, because they did not believe in the first death.

Galatians 4:27
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
 
Your not even addressing the scriptures or the actual subject, but are trying to create another subject, and answering questions from that subject, as if that is the discussion.

Pure logical fallacy.

Here is the scripture you posted -



Based on your scripture that you quoted and I agree with:
We are delivered from the power of Satan, unto God.

We are no longer his captives who are bound under his domain.

  • We have entered the narrow gate and have all things that pertain to life and godliness, in order to stay on the narrow way that leads to life.

13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13

Now we have the power, to keep ourselves and the evil one can not touch us.

18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18

If we do sin, then we can confess our sins to Him and He is faithful to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9


We are discussing the narrow way we leads to life and how to go about staying on it.

If you have something to contribute to the thread about the narrow road the leads to life, then please share it with the thread.


If you disagree with the scriptures I have quoted, then address the part you disagree with, don't attempt to derail the thread.



JLB
Please JLB. This thread has many paths to follow. There is the path to the narrow road, how to get on it and stay on it, as you so wonderfully stated. The other path is the wide road that leads to destruction, and how many folk have ended up on it. I believe that smaller has wonderfully stated how folk get on that wide road, and why they seem to stay on it. Lets lovingly accept what our Brothers and Sisters post as their viewpoints. Each post is worth considering without adverse comments.

My intent for this thread, since there are many many folk on that wide road that leads to destruction, needs a lot godly instruction,as a warning to those who, just might realize that that wide road is the one their on, and will repent, turn to the right narrow road and be saved.
 
Easy believism. From my experience that is the false gospel of "Ask Jesus into your heart," "ask Jesus to come into your life ," Make Jesus lord of your life,"Repent of all of your sins," "clean up your life and act like a christian," Accept Jesus into your life." and many others.

Few make it because it is as easy as believing that The Lord Jesus Christ died and paid for your sins and rose again for you....personally. And It is Him alone that secured that salvation the moment we believe. It's to easy........that's why few make it. They never put their trust ENTIRELY in Christ and His Finished work........the straight gate.

Acts 16:31

I agree with your statements. Since you have embarked on this topic, would you please state a biblical path to Salvation. Give us your plan of just how you would lead a person the Christ Jesus. Where do you start, how do you proceed, and how do you finish. There are many folk who don't know, are scared to witness, because they don't know what to say. Please help us out here.
 
The problem I see and believe is many have gone from being sinners saved by The Most Highs Grace through Christ, into boasters.
 
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Your not even addressing the scriptures or the actual subject, but are trying to create another subject, and answering questions from that subject, as if that is the discussion.

Pure logical fallacy.

The only thing that counts is faith that works through love. Gal. 5:6

Yeah, it is a very narrow road called love.

The last thing on my mind is to run around trying to destroy sinners that Jesus came to save.

Paul identified the sin dwelling in his flesh as "no more I." When we understand this we understand that it is sin that does what it does, as something foreign to ourselves as Gods children. Just as Paul said, "no more I" that DO it. And DO it IT does.

Sin does the opposite of love. Sin can not love. Sin will not love. Sin will oppose love every time.
 
I agree with your statements. Since you have embarked on this topic, would you please state a biblical path to Salvation. Give us your plan of just how you would lead a person the Christ Jesus. Where do you start, how do you proceed, and how do you finish. There are many folk who don't know, are scared to witness, because they don't know what to say. Please help us out here.
Fishing for men (mankind) is the most interesting and engaging matter there is. Jesus said "I" will make you fishers of men. Matt. 4:19, Mark 1:17.

Let's look at what comes up from the sea regarding fish. We might find it an eye opener. Jesus employs many allegories from the O.T. regarding these matters. Why are men fish for example?

To understand these allegories we have to be "led" to understand the language of allegory. Jesus gives us His Divine Analysis of how to break down all parables (which for all intents are also allegories) in Mark 4, specifically vs. 13, where we have to understand ONE parable to understand them all.

Rather than a long dissection which could fill up several pages, I'll cut to the chase. In every parable there are only 3 components. These 3 components are in ALL parables. The components are these: God/His Word/Work/Ways, mankind, and the devil/devils.

That's pretty much it. If any of these components are missing in someone's dissections or understandings, such understandings are unfit for use, being one or two sided, but not in accord with the pattern Jesus demands to be employed.

Now let's go fishing for men. Fish are in the allegorical sea. Mankind, from our beginning, has been in a veritable "sea" of confusions. They spiritually reside in Mystery Babylon, the Mystery of iniquity. They are confused. This is what the adversary does. The adversary "steals" Gods Words of LIFE and HIS LOVE from people's hearts. That is why FEW find HIS LIFE and HIS LOVE. The adversary is IN their heart to STEAL. Paul describes this as sin, which he terms "no more I." Yet still had it, sin, in his own flesh. He also describes it as "evil present" with him. Romans 7:17-21. Paul also described this as "internal lusts." Romans 7:7-13. Obviously this is an adverse spiritual working as it is not internally forensic/observable by cutting open the flesh. It HAS to be from an adverse spiritual working, which JOHN terms quite clearly, sin being "of the devil" in 1 John 3:8.

We also know that all unbelievers are "under" the power of darkness, of SATAN. Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2.

No man, no believer, is even allowed to see these matters unless and until Jesus leads them to see their own sin as a working of the ADVERSARY in the flesh/mind/heart. Anyone reading these scriptural discourses and "internal" DISCLOSURES will not and can not "get it" and will instead OPENLY RESIST these scriptural disclosures because they have not submitted to Gods Constructs and are being STOLEN FROM. They are resistors by nature of that adversarial component. (Nevertheless, I would not say they are not saved if they have called upon Jesus to save them. SAVE HE Will!)

Moving on, here, the SEA is disclosed:

Revelation 17:1

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Revelation 17:15

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Mankind is MEANT to be the BRIDE of Christ. The peoples who are blinded by Satan are Satan's, as his enslaved spiritual CAPTIVES. Therefore those meant to be His BRIDE in the spiritual senses are currently whores, captives to/with the adversary.

It is our JOB to RIP them apart. But we can not engage accurately if we don't see who we are up against. It's NOT just people. It is people and their CAPTOR. Most believers can't see the obvious. They too, we too, are (partly blind, seeing only in part) because the same problems they have in their own flesh with the adversary, we also have. 1 Cor. 13:12, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 John 1:8

We have some very powerful Spiritual Tools at our disposal. The Spirit of Christ is with us, within US, to lead us "in the Way."

Let's look at what happens, when God is with us in our fishing expeditions:

Ezekiel 29:
3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

4 But I will put hooks in thy jaws, and I will cause the fish of thy rivers to stick unto thy scales, and I will bring thee up out of the midst of thy rivers, and all the fish of thy rivers shall stick unto thy scales.

When we go fishing for MEN, who is also being DRAGGED up from the sea? Uh huh. A great dragon is coming up with them. This is WHY God in Christ has to be 'with us' because it is a mighty fishing expedition.

Anyone "trained" in the ways will have much success. By net, by spear, OR by hook or by crook as some might say.

Paul used 'guile.' (sly cunning intelligence) 2 Cor. 12:16.

If anyone managed to follow along, I will share my "fishing" techniques. Sometimes a net, most often times, a spear. Sometimes guile. Depends on how cagey the adversary who holds them is. I will also share "hooks in the jaw" understandings, and what that really means.

Love Divides.
 
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It certainly is, a black hole my friend. I just got home from the hospital having an upper and lower endoscopy. There was a threat of cancer, but the tests showed no cancer or other problems. Now I have to gain back some of the 55 lbs. I lost.

That sounds like good news Chopper.
 
The only thing that counts is faith that works through love. Gal. 5:6

Yeah, it is a very narrow road called love.

The last thing on my mind is to run around trying to destroy sinners that Jesus came to save.

Paul identified the sin dwelling in his flesh as "no more I." When we understand this we understand that it is sin that does what it does, as something foreign to ourselves as Gods children. Just as Paul said, "no more I" that DO it. And DO it IT does.

Sin does the opposite of love. Sin can not love. Sin will not love. Sin will oppose love every time.


Love bears the truth.

Love does not deceive.

If we have entered the narrow gate, then our road ahead is narrow and difficult, in which we have been given the power of the Spirit [if we believe such things] to lead us and guide us into all truth.

It is by grace [the Spirit of grace] that we will be able to walk the path of life.

If we should be deceived to wander from the truth, we will need to be brought back, through a brother who guides us back to the way.

Those that are sent to guide us back, do so because of love.

Love covers a multitude of sins.

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

Those who love the truth, Love Him, and love His people.


JLB
 
Love bears the truth.

Love does not deceive.

If we have entered the narrow gate, then our road ahead is narrow and difficult, in which we have been given the power of the Spirit [if we believe such things] to lead us and guide us into all truth.

It is by grace [the Spirit of grace] that we will be able to walk the path of life.

If we should be deceived to wander from the truth, we will need to be brought back, through a brother who guides us back to the way.

Those that are sent to guide us back, do so because of love.

Love covers a multitude of sins.

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

Those who love the truth, Love Him, and love His people.


JLB

Love Never Fails.

How many have not found that road?
 
Love Never Fails.

How many have not found that road?


I would say that those who do not love the truth, have not found that road.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12


JLB
 
I would say that those who do not love the truth, have not found that road.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

JLB

I'm quite sure we are faced with that question every day. Is our answer to Jesus that, as Love, He failed? I'd think not, nor would I DARE to even consider that.

Now, by comparison, do we fail? Assuredly, we do fail. We fail to recognize that He Never Fails. Utterly so, by some folks sights. Unfortunate, but in the long run, quite irrelevant.
 
I'm quite sure we are faced with that question every day. Is our answer to Jesus that, as Love, He failed? I'd think not, nor would I DARE to even consider that.

Now, by comparison, do we fail? Assuredly, we do fail. We fail to recognize that He Never Fails. Utterly so, by some folks sights. Unfortunate, but in the long run, quite irrelevant.

I personally wouldn't question the Love of Jesus, if you do then that's your business.

I know Him, whom I serve and love.

Those who do not love Him or His truth, will be deceived.

This delusion comes from God Himself, to those who do not believe the truth.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12


These chose to indulge in the pleasure of unrighteousness.


Love covers a multitude of sins.

19 Brethren, if anyone among youwanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns asinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

Those who love the truth, Love Him, and love His people.



JLB
 
Love bears the truth.

Love does not deceive.

If we have entered the narrow gate, then our road ahead is narrow and difficult, in which we have been given the power of the Spirit [if we believe such things] to lead us and guide us into all truth.

It is by grace [the Spirit of grace] that we will be able to walk the path of life.

If we should be deceived to wander from the truth, we will need to be brought back, through a brother who guides us back to the way.

Those that are sent to guide us back, do so because of love.

Love covers a multitude of sins.

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

Those who love the truth, Love Him, and love His people.


JLB
So true my friend, so true.
 
I personally wouldn't question the Love of Jesus, if you do then that's your business.

I am fully cognizant that "my" love is NOT the same as His Perfect Love, assuredly.

1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
 
My question to all who have posted in this thread is this:


Is it possible, once we have entered the narrow gate, to leave the difficult way that leads to life?


13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:13-14

Jesus said: "I am the way, the Truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6

He Himself is the One who knows the way, as He is the One who leads us in the path of righteousness for His namesake.


  • Can we afford to assume that we can walk according to the flesh, after we have entered the narrow gate, and expect that we will remain on the difficult way that leads to life?

It's my understanding that we need to be led by the Spirit, and walk according to the Spirit, in order to traverse the difficult way that leads to life.

I also understand there is much mercy and grace with the Lord who gave His life for each of us, and He will never put on us more than we can bear.

I also know that some of us are weak in the faith, while some are stronger than others in the faith.

I know than a baby Christians is not expected to know and do what a seasoned brother or sister may know and required to do.

We all have our own unique "cross" that we must take up daily, to crucify the flesh, and be led by God's Spirit through this life of testing.

He who leads says, He will never leave us or forsake us, and He who began a good work in us, is faithful to complete it.

In all these things, however, I just don't see where we ever lose our own freewill to chose....

  • To choose to crucify the flesh. Galatians 5:24
  • To choose to walk according to the Spirit, rather than walk according to the flesh. Galatians 5:16
  • To choose to take up our cross, or not.

Do we have a freewill to choose to yield to the Spirit?


Is it possible, once we have entered the narrow gate, to leave the difficult way that leads to life?


JLB
 
I could write volumes about how sects have constructed their own "narrow path" and then command that others must walk upon those constructions or else they are on the path of destruction. Seriously. I think anyone who has had any kind of various exposures to these types of constructs knows what I'm speaking of.

And it occurred to me that with all of these claims, all I had to do was to observe their intentions to others, and SEE the destruction that they themselves were standing on, to others.

Then I knew, I SAW, where they actually stood. The many many. Yet they can not see it, and think they are on the narrow road to life, when in fact their fruit betrays them, that they are not standing where they think they stand, and instead construct their wide path of destruction to others, just as clear as could be.

Look where you are STANDING. If it is on LIFE, you're good. It's perceived in how and what you measure to others.

IF however that path you think you're standing on is just good for you and no one else who doesn't stand "like you" and "all others" are standing on destruction, I might suggest a gut/reality check may be in order because you are in fact standing on destruction.

It's a simple lesson. Life begets LIFE. If your intention is to destroy others, then destruction begets destruction, and this will multiply to you.

I've met some very vile religious people in my life. People who proclaimed that if I didn't believe Jesus' name was spelled a certain way, or pronounced a certain way, them I'm heading to hell for sure. Charismatics, who believed if I didn't speak in tongues, then I'm heading to hell. Pentacostals who said if I didn't believe that it was Jesus Only, then I'm heading to hell. People who claimed I had to believe only their authorities, and never question them, or else, hell or at least potential hell. Or religious personality cults. Same things. Over and over, again and again, I could write volumes about people, religious people, who tried their darndest to DESTROY me. Yet none of them saw the path of destruction they themselves were standing on. They all thought they were just fine and all hunky dory. But none of them thought anybody else was OK. Anybody outside their little self constructed path was doomed to destruction. Yeah, I see your path. Clearly.

It's deception, plain and simple. Only LIFE Himself can bring and lead "believers" to LIFE. Whatever others have in their own hands is usually DEATH. Like a sore thumb.
 
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I could write volumes about how sects have constructed their own "narrow path" and then command that others must walk upon those constructions or else they are on the path of destruction. Seriously. I think anyone who has had any kind of various exposures to these types of constructs knows what I'm speaking of.

And it occurred to me that with all of these claims, all I had to do was to observe their intentions to others, and SEE the destruction that they themselves were standing on, to others.

Then I knew, I SAW, where they actually stood. The many many. Yet they can not see it, and think they are on the narrow road to life, when in fact their fruit betrays them, that they are not standing where they think they stand, and instead construct their wide path of destruction to others, just as clear as could be.

Look where you are STANDING. If it is on LIFE, you're good. It's perceived in how and what you measure to others.

IF however that path you think you're standing on is just good for you and no one else who doesn't stand "like you" and "all others" are standing on destruction, I might suggest a gut/reality check may be in order because you are in fact standing on destruction.

It's a simple lesson. Life begets LIFE. If your intention is to destroy others, then destruction begets destruction, and this will multiply to you.

I've met some very vile religious people in my life. People who proclaimed that if I didn't believe Jesus' name was spelled a certain way, or pronounced a certain way, them I'm heading to hell for sure. Charismatics, who believed if I didn't speak in tongues, then I'm heading to hell. Pentacostals who said if I didn't believe that it was Jesus Only, then I'm heading to hell. People who claimed I had to believe only their authorities, and never question them, or else, hell or at least potential hell. Or religious personality cults. Same things. Over and over, again and again, I could write volumes about people, religious people, who tried their darndest to DESTROY me. Yet none of them saw the path of destruction they themselves were standing on. They all thought they were just fine and all hunky dory. But none of them thought anybody else was OK. Anybody outside their little self constructed path was doomed to destruction. Yeah, I see your path. Clearly.

It's deception, plain and simple. Only LIFE Himself can bring and lead "believers" to LIFE. Whatever others have in their own hands is usually DEATH. Like a sore thumb.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:13-14

Can you answer the questions?

  • Can we afford to assume that we can walk according to the flesh, after we have entered the narrow gate, and expect that we will remain on the difficult way that leads to life?
  • Is it possible, once we have entered the narrow gate, to leave the difficult way that leads to life?



JLB
 
My question to all who have posted in this thread is this:


Is it possible, once we have entered the narrow gate, to leave the difficult way that leads to life?


The answer is NO.

What is dead may never die.
 
The answer is NO.

What is dead may never die.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:13-14


So your saying it is impossible, for a person who has entered by the narrow gate, and is on the difficult way that leads to life to never go astray, from that path?

Interesting.

Why would it be difficult then with only few finding the life it leads to, if it is impossible to go astray from it?



JLB
 
So your saying it is impossible, for a person who has entered by the narrow gate, and is on the difficult way that leads to life to never go astray, from that path?

Interesting.

What is dead may never die. If I have found my death, how shall I die again?

Why would it be difficult then with only few finding the life it leads to, if it is impossible to go astray from it?

Can you please rephrase your question? I'm not quite sure what your asking.
 
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