Why America is MIA in the End Times

[Kathi]

I haven't taken any position on the millenium.

I don't believe in (a) great tribulation as you do. I believe great tribulation came on Jerusalem and the surrounding Jewish communities with the worst being in 70AD, when the temple and city were destroyed. That this is what Matthew 24 is warning about.
I don't believe in AN or THE Antichrist that will come in the future.
I don't believe that God is going to punish the Jewish people again. The days of vengeance on them for killing the OT prophets, the Messiah, and His messengers, that Jesus speaks of in Matthew 23, has already happened in and around 70AD.
I don't believe there is a gap in the 70 Wks. prophecy. The 70 Wk was fulfilled. It began with the ministry of Christ and ended with the stoning of the Jewish disciple Stephan.
I believe the 1260 days, 1290 days, and the 1335 days fit into this time period.

So you are Preterist?

 

[Deborah13]

So you are Preterist?

Historical Preterist, a.k.a Partial Preterist

Mostly for me right now is that I believe that Matthew 24 (at least most of it) is about 70AD and Daniels 70 weeks have been completed.

 

[Kathi]

Historical Preterist, a.k.a Partial Preterist

Mostly for me right now is that I believe that Matthew 24 (at least most of it) is about 70AD and Daniels 70 weeks have been completed.

Yes,that looks like you are preterist.

 

[for_his_glory]

Deborah said: I do not believe that this will go on forever. Not all things have happened that are spoken of, the bodily resurrection of the dead, the final judgement, etc..

I apologize as I took that to mean you thought I meant all things have already been fulfilled in Matthew 24.

I agree the rapture and the resurrection are not to separate events, but I do believe it comes right before Gods final judgement starting with the vial judgements as I believe the Church will be here until the harvest judgement of Rev 14.

I believe the two witnesses spoken of in Rev 11 is the word (God) and the Spirit (Holy Spirit) which is given to the Church (body of Christ) to preach until the day of the Lord, which is when Christ returns. John compares the two witnesses to the two candlesticks and two olive trees, which if you read Zechariah Chapter four it explains that the golden candlestick is God. The seven lamps with the seven pipes holds the oil (anointing), which is that of the seven Spirits of God: wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, reverence, might and Spirit of the Lord.

I believe the angels mention in Matthew 24:31 are the same angels of Rev 14 starting with the first one that gathers the harvest which are we who are in Christ as those who sleep first are raised to meet us in the air and we are changed to that new glorified body as then we will look like Christ in His glorified body.

 

[Deborah13]

Kathi

Full or Hyper Preterism is a real problem when it comes to several things but the biggest one that I see is this.....
A full preterist believes, among other things, that the Great White Throne Judgement has already occurred. If that were true then everyone born since 70AD would never face any judgement, they would all be saved. That is Universalism.

 

[Malachi]

uhm who are the apostles? just asking if you believe that book to be literal and whom will slay them?

Not sure which apostles you are referring to and who will slay them. The apostles of Christ were almost all martyred.

The book of Revelation has many symbols within it, but by and large it must be taken as literally as possible, and in chronological sequence (with some parenthetical chapters). From Rev 6 to Rev 19 we have a description of all the events pertaining to the 6th and 7th seals, which are primarily God's judgments on this earth with all His enemies and those who remained unsaved. This is all in the future.

 

[jasonc]

Not sure which apostles you are referring to and who will slay them. The apostles of Christ were almost all martyred.

The book of Revelation has many symbols within it, but by and large it must be taken as literally as possible, and in chronological sequence (with some parenthetical chapters). From Rev 6 to Rev 19 we have a description of all the events pertaining to the 6th and 7th seals, which are primarily God's judgments on this earth with all His enemies and those who remained unsaved. This is all in the future.

when JOHN wrote that book all but him were died, so is that section about the apostles and prophets in future then? see revelation 17 and revelation 18

 

[jasonc]

so I should literally take that star falls from to the earth called wormwood? that is a literal star?

 

[reba]

Deborah13 for_his_glory ...


I sure appreciate the example you 2 set for the forums... One of mutual understanding, even in a disagreement, accepting each other as sisters in the Lord ... looking for discussion as apposed to 'being right'

 

[jasonc]

Deborah13 for_his_glory ...


I sure appreciate the example you 2 set for the forums... One of mutual understanding, even in a disagreement, accepting each other as sisters in the Lord ... looking for discussion as apposed to 'being right'

noticed, bring forth the Hitch.lol

 

[Kathi]

so I should literally take that star falls from to the earth called wormwood? that is a literal star?

Revelation 8:10-11 10 Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water.11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.
Yes you can take this passage literally for exactly the way it reads.

 

[Willie T]

IMHO, you have to be smoking some 5-star stuff to take almost ANYTHING in The Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ as literal.

 

[jasonc]

Revelation 8:10-11 10 Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water.11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.
Yes you can take this passage literally for exactly the way it reads.

a star. do you happen to know the size that star? its BIGGER then our SUN and HOTTER! basic astrophysics says that when to objects approach gravity of both kick in destroy each other. who wins? the STAR. therefore it cant be literal.

even if its a comet. uhm Christians will die in that. why? cant breathe that toxic fumes that comes from a large impact of an asteroid or comet.

 

[Kathi]

a star. do you happen to know the size that star? its BIGGER then our SUN and HOTTER! basic astrophysics says that when to objects approach gravity of both kick in destroy each other. who wins? the STAR. therefore it cant be literal.

even if its a comet. uhm Christians will die in that. why? cant breathe that toxic fumes that comes from a large impact of an asteroid or comet.

How should I know?It hasn't happened yet.

 

[jasonc]

How should I know?It hasn't happened yet.

you said take it literal and I told you the problem with that. read up on what is called the roache limit. and also look at alpha centauri and what it is.its a binary star system. the stars are in orbit of each other and proxima is destroying ultima.

 

[for_his_glory]

Deborah13 for_his_glory ...


I sure appreciate the example you 2 set for the forums... One of mutual understanding, even in a disagreement, accepting each other as sisters in the Lord ... looking for discussion as apposed to 'being right'

Thank you reba, but keep that handy.................just kidding :biggrin.

This is what forums need to be all about as many come in here that are searching for answers, especially if they are not a Christian yet. It needs to be a discussion and not a fighting ring and even if we do not agree with each other at times we still need to let that light of Christ shine through us...................right jasonc as I think I saw your name on reba's rolling pin...............just kidding, :biggrin I love you my brother from another mother, but we have the same Father if you get my drift

 

[jasonc]

Thank you reba, but keep that handy.................just kidding :biggrin.

This is what forums need to be all about as many come in here that are searching for answers, especially if they are not a Christian yet. It needs to be a discussion and not a fighting ring and even if we do not agree with each other at times we still need to let that light of Christ shine through us...................right jasonc as I think I saw your name on reba's rolling pin...............just kidding, :biggrin I love you my brother from another mother, but we have the same Father if you get my drift

reba and myself and hitch had this topic in discussion quite often and it was heated.they are the reason i went to a preterist view.

 

[for_his_glory]

Deborah13 I love how you challenge me as it makes me dig deeper into the word to find answers, even to my own things I question. You are my sister from another Mister, which is God the Father I would have given you a hug, but all I got is a girl hugging a guy...............>O< this will have to do, LOL.

 

[for_his_glory]

reba and myself and hitch had this topic in discussion quite often and it was heated.they are the reason i went to a preterist view.

I remember hitch, but don't see him in here anymore. Ya, him and I have had our discussions in the past. I guess you can call me a past, present and future kinda gal

 

[jasonc]

I remember hitch, but don't see him in here anymore. Ya, him and I have had our discussions in the past. I guess you can call me a past, present and future kinda gal

hitch was asked to leave.