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Why didn't CHRIST invite doctors?

Faith has been dealt to every reborn man, but faith is not necessarily in use at all times amongst all reborn men.
Once I heard Keith Moore telling a story about when he was teaching at Rhema for Kenneth Hagin, and his car battery went dead and he was out waiting for a tow truck, when 2 of his students came by and saw him. And they asked him what he was doing and he replied. They then asked why he didn't just use his faith and speak to the car battery and command it to live in Jesus' name.
#1 he pointed out it was disrespectful for them to speak to their teacher like that, so curtly, BUT,
#2 he told them that thanks to something the Lord showed him not that long before this, he just didn't have it in his heart at the moment to believe God for that. And so he took the tow.
He elaborated saying that the Lord had told him if would get more selective about when he used his faith, he would be more effective when he did. Meaning, that when he had used, or thought he had used, his faith in the past and something didn't come to pass, he noticed it had a negative effect on his faith, so the Lord spoke that to him about making sure he really had it in his heart (faith) when he was going to release his faith on/for/in something.

I have noticed the same thing, and have been enacting this as well.

If someone has not built up their faith to believe for healing in a certain area, it doesn't mean they are less of a Christian or have less of the measure of faith (for God has already said in Romans that EVERY man has BEEN dealt THE measure of faith, meaning all reborn men got the same amount, and now it is up to us build it up by hearing the Word of God in whatever area (faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (so reading the Word (aloud) and hearing faith preaching))), it just means they are not believing God in a particular area. It doesn't mean they are any less saved.
You are either saved or not saved, there are no degrees of being saved. There are types of faith however.
Jesus described certain degrees: no faith, little faith, faith and great faith (the last one being the Roman Centurion, who had greater faith than anyone born into the line of Israel ever to that point (even David, Elisha, Elijah, Abraham, etc) because He said of all the house of Israel).
And these were used to describe God's own people, including His own disciples.

Faith (with confidence) for healing will not come without revelation of God's Word concerning healing and the understanding of God's will (He has told us ALL (all Believers), His will is 100% healing 100% of the time - that's what He is offering and has already secured (back to Gal 3:13-14, 29, 2 Cor 1:20, Exodus 23:25-26, Isaiah 53:4-5, Matthew 8:16-17, Jer 30:17, Jer 1:12, Psalm 89:34...).
If God is the same yesterday, today and forever then healing is always His will, beyond the Scriptures I already gave above - how can God say He is the Lord Who heals you, but not heal you? That was given in the Old Covenant, and since we are now in a better covenant with better promises and terms (according to Hebrews), then EVERYTHING given in the Old Covenant would have to be included in the New Covenant PLUS more, or else the New Covenant would, by definition, be inferior to the old one.

Healing is yours, it is your bread, always; God has established His will and given it in His Word, and like dynamite, is only waiting for your faith to light the fuse.
Also remember that words can undo everything and anything you take by faith (Mark 11:24, you TAKE (the Greek word for receive there means literally, take) what things SO EVER YOU desire (not God, you) and that would include healing, so you have to take it, like taking possession of a good you buy in a store - you don't leave it there on the counter after you buy it and walk out).

If someone has not faith for healing or speaks against it, they should get medical attention, absolutely. And taking medicine does not mean you cannot have faith or build it up in this area. Start listening to faith preaching on faith, read the promises in the Word, declare them, TAKE them, like medicine :) After all, Proverbs 4:20-22, the word for health there is "medicine", so God's Word is literally medicine to ALL your flesh. Powerful.

And lastly, as for being healed by His stripes already. You must see every sickness and disease and pain as an attack against you. You are not the sick trying to get a healing, you are the healed and Satan is trying to steal your health, putting junk on you, seeing if you'll agree with it and accept it. If he can get you to confess it, it'll stick, until you get rid of it with God's Word. (Proverbs 18:20-21 - words are containers for either life or death (and connected with Deut 30:19, also blessing and cursing)). Satan is the source of every sickness and every disease, God is never putting that trash on you, it's the Devil, and it's all an attack. Be proactive, lay down a blood-line of the Blood of Jesus all around your house, on every window and door and on every family member, declare Psalm 91 and 103 over your family and household. Life is in your mouth, and when you speak God's Word, in faith, the result will be good, very good.

And, being healed by His stripes already doesn't mean a Christian can never have a symptom of anything or whatever, in the same way being redeemed from poverty doesn't mean that a Christian cannot still be poverty-stricken, etc. It means it is a finished work and it's available, but it's not automatic.
When Jesus brought the net-breaking, boat-sinking load of fish for Peter did the fish jump in the boat? It was available. All Peter had to do was believe it and take it. Was Jairus' daughter automatically raised from the dead because Jesus COULD? No, it was available, but Jairus had to stay out of fear and stay in faith and take his little girl's miracle. Do farmer's crops jump into their barns? They are available, but the farmers have to go reap 'em.

Probably the best biblical example would be how AFTER coming into the Promised Land, flowing with milk and honey (good eating back then), only 5 of the 12 tribes, FIVE!, used their faith and took possession of what God said was theirs, especially Judah, the praising, faith-talking bunch.
The other 7 had to get a talking-to from Joshua about what in the world was the hold-up and why they, because of their unbelief (see Hebrews 3 and 4, plus Joshua 17-19), had yet to go what God had promised them. The key: IT WAS NOT AUTOMATIC even though it was God's will! That needs to be seen and understood, and we need to avoid their mistakes. 1 Corinthians says their mistakes were recorded so that we would not repeat them, and Hebrews 3 and 4 tells all about it, how to stay out of unbelief and through faith and patience inherit the promises of God.

Also consider that salvation, though God's will for all mankind, is not automatic, even though it's bought and paid for with Jesus' blood - you have to believe it and confess it and thereby take it. Healing is the same, prosperity is the same, victory is the same. Just don't let people or the Devil talk you out of it or try to outlast you.

Ohhh, I learned a LOT from brother Keith Moore on healing. He has a 20 or 21 part series on video (which I will link to) on their website which deals with nothing except healing. The videos range from an hour to two and he backs up everything with scripture. So have some time and pen and paper handy (as well as a bible of course) to go through it with him. God bless brother Keith and his ministry! A good message from a good man.

http://www.moorelife.org/listseries.php?xml=rss/GodsWillToHeal.xml

IF this is true as you understand it if it is His will then no one is ill no one has a broken bone etc,. That is unless you believe God's will is subject to man.

That's a fairly big presumption, sister. It's not so cut and dried as you would imply. Many factors must always be considered. If what you imply is true, then what should I think about myself? The Lord healed my hip and reset my dislocated bone, but did not heal my back injury at the same time. So what do we do with that? Deny Gods healing and will? Our faith? :thinking
 
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That's a fairly big presumption, sister. It's not so cut and dried as you would imply. Many factors must always be considered. If what you imply is true, then what should I think about myself? The Lord healed my hip and reset my dislocated bone, but did not heal my back injury at the same time. So what do we do with that? Deny Gods healing and will? Our faith? :thinking
I think we agree Edward...
 
IF this is true as you understand it if it is His will then no one is ill no one has a broken bone etc,. That is unless you believe God's will is subject to man.
I summed this up here:
And, being healed by His stripes already doesn't mean a Christian can never have a symptom of anything or whatever, in the same way being redeemed from poverty doesn't mean that a Christian cannot still be poverty-stricken, etc. It means it is a finished work and it's available, but it's not automatic.
When Jesus brought the net-breaking, boat-sinking load of fish for Peter did the fish jump in the boat? It was available. All Peter had to do was believe it and take it. Was Jairus' daughter automatically raised from the dead because Jesus COULD? No, it was available, but Jairus had to stay out of fear and stay in faith and take his little girl's miracle. Do farmer's crops jump into their barns? They are available, but the farmers have to go reap 'em.

Probably the best biblical example would be how AFTER coming into the Promised Land, flowing with milk and honey (good eating back then), only 5 of the 12 tribes, FIVE!, used their faith and took possession of what God said was theirs, especially Judah, the praising, faith-talking bunch.
The other 7 had to get a talking-to from Joshua about what in the world was the hold-up and why they, because of their unbelief (see Hebrews 3 and 4, plus Joshua 17-19), had yet to go what God had promised them. The key: IT WAS NOT AUTOMATIC even though it was God's will! That needs to be seen and understood, and we need to avoid their mistakes. 1 Corinthians says their mistakes were recorded so that we would not repeat them, and Hebrews 3 and 4 tells all about it, how to stay out of unbelief and through faith and patience inherit the promises of God.

Also consider that salvation, though God's will for all mankind, is not automatic, even though it's bought and paid for with Jesus' blood - you have to believe it and confess it and thereby take it. Healing is the same, prosperity is the same, victory is the same. Just don't let people or the Devil talk you out of it or try to outlast you.
 
And one more to add to it, was that God's will was that Adam NOT eat the fruit, yet he did, IN A PERFECT WORLD! So God's will is NOT automatic. It has to be taken, as I proved with the illustrations above, especially the Israelites in the Promised Land.

Also, God's will is Heaven for all, why doesn't that mean that ALL mankind is saved already? Because they have to CHOOSE God's will and TAKE it by faith, like every other part of God's will.

Why did JESUS have to pray for God's will to be done on the Earth just as it was done in Heaven? Because it's not done unless WE take it, like Jesus shewed. (yes, shewed, as in to prove something, from old English).
 
And one more to add to it, was that God's will was that Adam NOT eat the fruit, yet he did, IN A PERFECT WORLD! So God's will is NOT automatic. It has to be taken, as I proved with the illustrations above, especially the Israelites in the Promised Land.

Also, God's will is Heaven for all, why doesn't that mean that ALL mankind is saved already? Because they have to CHOOSE God's will and TAKE it by faith, like every other part of God's will.

Why did JESUS have to pray for God's will to be done on the Earth just as it was done in Heaven? Because it's not done unless WE take it, like Jesus shewed. (yes, shewed, as in to prove something, from old English).

I agree with you brother. What is given in grace, must be received in faith.

I think that faith would be a good word study also. We all seem to talk and act like we have faith, but do we? Take the apostles for example...of course they believed and had faith, they witnessed Jesus do some big miracles...and yet what happened that one time? They couldn't cast a particular spirit/demon out of a boy because...of their lack of faith/belief.
That's what Jesus said! So faith may not be all cut and dried like it is supposed to be or talked about.
 
That's what Jesus said! So faith may not be all cut and dried like it is supposed to be or talked about.
yup

Do we need faith ..Yes
should we use faith ....yes
Sorta like do we use faith alone for our food or do we have a job?
 
yup

Do we need faith ..Yes
should we use faith ....yes
Sorta like do we use faith alone for our food or do we have a job?
That's sort of like saying 'I do my best and leave the rest to God".
But what if our best does the job?
Then we don't need God.
What if the doctor heals me?
Then we don't need God?

How do we balance it according to Scripture?
 
God gave us our brains... we think with them (Not the right words but here goes) our faith is not in our brains. Some where there is a balance...I dont believe it is the same for everyone... sorta like we can see the the different aspects of the gifts in different people..
Paul and Peter had differences.. We are not cut with a cookie cutter...


I believe we should do our best in whatever "it" is ... sorta like in Eph 6

As Christians we always need God.
I dont believe the doctor heals the doctor doctors ( Verb) God does the healing... A doctor can aid in the healing the simple example is setting a broken bone. It is God that knits that bone .....
down the same lines as our bodies heal them selves... His creation heals... We can grow new skin .. etc... because He created us too.
 
Jesus has everything under control "everything"

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

including doctors and all of their equipment.. :yes

tob
 
What if the doctor heals me? Then we don't need God?

This seems to be the consensus of the naysayers........................why?
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I just don't get that. "If you go to a doctor you have no faith in God". Seriously, there's nothing in the Word that prohibits an individual from seeking medical aid, so where does this belief come from? If we're going to condemn something, we should do so based on biblical principles, not personal opinion.

But Luke never healed anyone.

Here's another one. "So and so didn't do this" or "so and so didn't do that". "Jesus only cured x-amount of lepers" or "Jesus only cast out so many demons", blah, blah, blah.

Anyone remember reading this?

John 21
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.



The bible gives us a tiny glimpse into the ministry of Christ. His every move and those of His disciples isn't documented, so we really can't say what they did or didn't do. All we can do is speculate and work with what we're given. If the Word or Spirit of the Word doesn't condemn it, we shouldn't either. (my personal conviction)


Most of the great men of the bible were never sick:

Again, because the bible doesn't specifically say "so and so was sick", an assumption is made that that individual was never sick.
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Gary I will say something and I hope it is understood and not misperceived: no one is condemning anyone, least of all for seeing a doctor. Jesus bore our condemnation at the cross, so there is none left to give, and I certainly will not do the Devil's job for him.

The point was to seek God first on any and every issue, not to experience a symptom or get a report and then just jump to a doctor without inquiring of the Lord, He really does heal too. I've seen it many a time. He could heal you too; there's no reason why not, it's why Jesus took those insanely awful stripes. Anyway, don't take condemnation, Romans 8:1.

Don't forget, we're all members of the same Body too, we're all in this together.
 
Gary I will say something and I hope it is understood and not misperceived: no one is condemning anyone, least of all for seeing a doctor. Jesus bore our condemnation at the cross, so there is none left to give, and I certainly will not do the Devil's job for him.

I know this is really petty, but you made this comment to me and I would like to know why. Why do you say that I do not seek the Lord continually? I'm not offended, I would just like to know why?

What does seek the Lord continually mean to you? It sounds like you are looking for a justification to not do this. And that is between you and the Lord, I am not your judge, but I would ask Him how you could seek Him continually and for Him to lead you into that. God does not want us compartmentalizing our lives and deciding which parts He can be a part the Lord of...




The point was to seek God first on any and every issue, not to experience a symptom or get a report and then just jump to a doctor without inquiring of the Lord, He really does heal too. I've seen it many a time. He could heal you too; there's no reason why not, it's why Jesus took those insanely awful stripes. Anyway, don't take condemnation, Romans 8:1.

What leads you to believe that I didn't petition the Lord? What do you know about my situation that I don't?
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Well. No one seems willing to address this issue: when the disciples were with Christ did they seek medical assistance when they got sick or ill or did they rather turn to Christ? (that is if they ever got sick at all).

Maybe I need a PA System to scream out my stance. Medical assistance is not a sin. Absolute reliance on it is anti Christian. Consult God before you venture into your own whatever.

So that woman suffered infertility problem for a long time. She went from hospital to hospital seeking medical assistance. She consumed all prescriptions...all to no avail. She was going for another and was probably deaf to that Still Small Voice that told her: You are fertile. It's just that it's not your time yet.

She finally payed attention to that voice and refused further medication. She said during her testimony: if I had consumed that prescription it would have flushed away that life growing in me (and this was said to her by one of her friends, a Christian doctor who monitored her stages of pregnancy).

Thing is, at times God permits certain uncomfortable circumstances so that we may prove to our consciences if we love HIM. God first...and when done every other thing falls into place. Amen? Amen! Can I get a hefty Amen?
 
Maybe I need a PA System to scream out my stance. Medical assistance is not a sin. Absolute reliance on it is anti Christian. Consult God before you venture into your own whatever.

Since this topic sounds relevant, may I ask a question about injections?

The whole teaching is addressing the holiness of the blood. The blood of animals, the blood of Christ.

I, personally, do not like the idea of messing up with blood. Not saying that it is entirely unnatural.
 
Another question I would like to address is freedom in Christ. What is freedom?

Does a life supporting machin mean freedom? Who is supporting life on Earth?
 
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