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Why didn't CHRIST invite doctors?
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Classik
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I realised CHRIST wasn't sick at all. Would be a hypocritical situation to be a sick healer. Most of the great men of the bible were never sick: Moses? Elijah? The disciples too (when HE was with them) etc. I get sick - I seldom remember medication. Three ways: seldom takes tablets, my body heals itself, GOD the Healer
Sorry for my rudeness.
Sometimes the worst comes out of us.
I really was just trying to stimulate Reba to get more out of her.
I could have said it better for sure.
As far as the good Samaritan being a healing verse, I disagree.
Taking care of someone until they get well is more in line with nursing rather than that of a physician.
The Bible from one end to the other shows us that God is the healer, period.
My many years in the nursing field has made me very discouraged with what doctors do.
But we still all need one from time to time.
Especially the emergency room.
Break a leg, go to the emergency room.
They do what they can, give you pain meds, set you up for surgery to fix the leg.
Orthopedic surgeons do a wonderful job.
But when all is said and done, God does the healing.
The problem is we are putting our lives in the hands of doctors so they can practice on us.
"Here's a new medication, maybe this will work better. And here's another medication for the side affects of that medication.
And here's some antibiotics just in case".
And so on.
Obadiah
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Yeah. I think I see that what you are truly saying here is that we either believe your interpretation of scripture and if we don't, you are going to punish us by throwing accusations of calling Jesus a liar.
So you've never taken an aspirin or put a bandaid on a cut? (I seriously doubt it's true that you have never so much as used a bandaid when you needed one!) If you've ever so much as used a bandaid, you don't even believe what you are saying here. So don't be so quick to tell the rest of us that if we don't follow your interpretation of scripture against most mainstream theologians' interpretation that we are calling Jesus a liar.
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Edward
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I'm going by memory here, but if I remember right, I did a word study on the word 'medicine' from scripture awhile back, and I'm pretty sure that either the definition or related reference given to me took me to the term withchcraft.
Now, I'm not down on doctors, but I sure do understand that we are to look to the Lord first in all things. Heck, it's scripture. Now I do not think that one should go ahead and walk down the mountain on a broken leg or some other similar nonsense, or even to forgo taking an aspirin if one has a headache. I think what we do need to do is to stay away from the extremes here and keep everything in proper perspective.
This is kind of a big one, but I don't think God gave us knowledge, as someone suggested. Why do you think it was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? We were created in Gods image and were spiritual beings. We did not use our head to think. As spirit beings we had a different way of thinking so to speak. not with the head or brain, and I really can't tell you how, but perhaps with our heart? Not that knowledge isn't good to an extent, or able to be used for good, but i think the fact remains that head knowledge did not come from God and was part of the fall of man. We simply do not realize the extent of what we were (are) what all we lost, and how to live for the spirit and not for the flesh. This is obviously why we need to become as little children and learn how to live as we were created and intended to live all over again. We're admonished over and over in scripture to lean not upon our own understanding, and that, there is a way which seems right to a man but in the end leads to death, and to live for the spirit and not for the flesh and so forth. This is some serious instruction brothers and sisters.
However, we do live in a fractured creation, and things are mighty different now inasmuch as how we live, think and reason. It may be ultimately the wrong way according to Gods intention from the start, but it is what it is and here we are. So as we know, God can take all things and work them to good for them that love God. So the Lord would take advantage of the situation for his purposes and work within our realm of existence to that end. It is in this light that doctors are good and do help and save lives. If you break your leg, go get it fixed. If you have a headache, take a durn aspirin tablet. Just be careful to keep a proper perspective and not lean on the doctor more than God. Doctors have a way of helping at times...and simply playing at times (practicing). Don't be afraid to say no to a doctor, but do listen to him and consider what is said and recommended. You are at ground zero with your body and can feel and tell more about your condition than the doctor can if you pay attention to yourself. A lot of medicine is made from plants and so forth and this is good I think. To an extent, of course. Some medicines are concoctions of different ingredients and plants and here I think is where it gets sticky and may lean into witchcraft. A single ingredient med., like aspirin for instance, is probably ok, but when you go further in mixtures, you can get compounds which are not available in nature alone. Chemistry and alchemy are real, and very potentially dangerous, and even may constitute witchcraft.
So it's like everything else. There is no extreme answer here. It is not bright to refuse your child medical attention if they are sick like some have been known to do. Conversely, it is equally stupid to rely solely on doctors and do not pray for healing or understanding about the situation. So go to the doctors if you need them, but very proactive about the who/what/where/meds/operations and everything to do with it. Ask a lot of questions, read about the meds you put in your body, and pray about everything.
Now, I'm not down on doctors, but I sure do understand that we are to look to the Lord first in all things. Heck, it's scripture. Now I do not think that one should go ahead and walk down the mountain on a broken leg or some other similar nonsense, or even to forgo taking an aspirin if one has a headache. I think what we do need to do is to stay away from the extremes here and keep everything in proper perspective.
This is kind of a big one, but I don't think God gave us knowledge, as someone suggested. Why do you think it was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? We were created in Gods image and were spiritual beings. We did not use our head to think. As spirit beings we had a different way of thinking so to speak. not with the head or brain, and I really can't tell you how, but perhaps with our heart? Not that knowledge isn't good to an extent, or able to be used for good, but i think the fact remains that head knowledge did not come from God and was part of the fall of man. We simply do not realize the extent of what we were (are) what all we lost, and how to live for the spirit and not for the flesh. This is obviously why we need to become as little children and learn how to live as we were created and intended to live all over again. We're admonished over and over in scripture to lean not upon our own understanding, and that, there is a way which seems right to a man but in the end leads to death, and to live for the spirit and not for the flesh and so forth. This is some serious instruction brothers and sisters.
However, we do live in a fractured creation, and things are mighty different now inasmuch as how we live, think and reason. It may be ultimately the wrong way according to Gods intention from the start, but it is what it is and here we are. So as we know, God can take all things and work them to good for them that love God. So the Lord would take advantage of the situation for his purposes and work within our realm of existence to that end. It is in this light that doctors are good and do help and save lives. If you break your leg, go get it fixed. If you have a headache, take a durn aspirin tablet. Just be careful to keep a proper perspective and not lean on the doctor more than God. Doctors have a way of helping at times...and simply playing at times (practicing). Don't be afraid to say no to a doctor, but do listen to him and consider what is said and recommended. You are at ground zero with your body and can feel and tell more about your condition than the doctor can if you pay attention to yourself. A lot of medicine is made from plants and so forth and this is good I think. To an extent, of course. Some medicines are concoctions of different ingredients and plants and here I think is where it gets sticky and may lean into witchcraft. A single ingredient med., like aspirin for instance, is probably ok, but when you go further in mixtures, you can get compounds which are not available in nature alone. Chemistry and alchemy are real, and very potentially dangerous, and even may constitute witchcraft.
So it's like everything else. There is no extreme answer here. It is not bright to refuse your child medical attention if they are sick like some have been known to do. Conversely, it is equally stupid to rely solely on doctors and do not pray for healing or understanding about the situation. So go to the doctors if you need them, but very proactive about the who/what/where/meds/operations and everything to do with it. Ask a lot of questions, read about the meds you put in your body, and pray about everything.
Obadiah
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Some good points made, Edward.
Regarding:
Taking advantage of modern medical practice isn't condemned in scripture and doesn't have to exclude faith in God unless the person wants to exclude God (and that's a different subject altogether!) Chemistry and alchemy are real, that's true. Both can be used for good or evil, and neither are necessarily evil in themselves. Although alchemy ("a medieval chemical science and speculative philosophy aiming to achieve the transmutation of the base metals into gold, the discovery of a universal cure for disease, and the discovery of a means of indefinitely prolonging life) is questionable at best and really isn't practiced today in any kind of serous way.
Regarding:
The Greek word you are talking about is "pharmakia" (not sure on the spelling since I didn't go look it up, but I can if it's that important.) Pharmakia is where we get our english word "pharmacy" but it is more directly translated to drugs rather then medicine and that makes an important difference. Whenever it is used in scripture it is used in the context of sorcery, but not used when talking about drugs being used for healing purposes (such as pouring wine on wounds to use the alcohol in the wine as a disinfectant). The english definition of medicine when referring to drugs is: "a compound or preparation used for the treatment or prevention of disease, esp. a drug or drugs taken by mouth" whereas the general definition of "drug" is: "a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body." These definitions are close, but notice the important difference in that "medicine" is referring to drugs used to heal where just the word "drug" does not limit itself to just healing or just to beneficial use. This is why most of us as Christians consider most recreational use of drugs to be sin. Because it is associated with sorcery in scripture. (No, I'm not going to the the extreme of condemning caffeine or alcohol in moderation, that's NOT sorcery!) But the word pharmakia is never used to say that we shouldn't use drugs as medicine and certainly never says that we can't take advantage of other "medical" practices such as surgery, bandaids, or casts.
Taking advantage of modern medical practice isn't condemned in scripture and doesn't have to exclude faith in God unless the person wants to exclude God (and that's a different subject altogether!) Chemistry and alchemy are real, that's true. Both can be used for good or evil, and neither are necessarily evil in themselves. Although alchemy ("a medieval chemical science and speculative philosophy aiming to achieve the transmutation of the base metals into gold, the discovery of a universal cure for disease, and the discovery of a means of indefinitely prolonging life) is questionable at best and really isn't practiced today in any kind of serous way.
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a 2 by 4 sometimes gets my attention.
IMO nursing and doctoring aren't that different... My brother is the old fashion country doctor.... he'll stitch up a cowboy at the round-up. ..
Sadly i agree
Northman
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Since this sort of turn here has been taken, i feel compelled to speak. Not to demean or make light of any belief but most of us on here do live in the west, as in north america. When people from europe first arrived here they encountered a stone age culture where real sorcery was extreemly prevalent. If you know the right people today, then you can also witness sorcery in action if you so choose. Again, not to demean anyone, but on lots of reserves this stuff is still practiced. Its not fake and if one were to witness anything of the sort, all presumtions of a someone smoking pot or taking prozac as sorcery or witchcraft fly right out the window.
Sorcery isnt intoxication or anything of the sort, its the use of certain kinds of mixtures to open yourself FOR THE PURPOSE of spirit world type contact to make deals. Someone cant be a sorcerer by mistake or slip up and accidentally do it, thats not how it happens.
Are root words important in any fashion? Do they define what something is or does the action itself?
Sorcery isnt intoxication or anything of the sort, its the use of certain kinds of mixtures to open yourself FOR THE PURPOSE of spirit world type contact to make deals. Someone cant be a sorcerer by mistake or slip up and accidentally do it, thats not how it happens.
Are root words important in any fashion? Do they define what something is or does the action itself?
Obadiah
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You're right Northman, I've seen a little of it from a distance and believe me, I don't want to get any closer. I didn't mean to say that drugs (the pharmakia mentioned in scripture) was in itself sorcery. It's related to and can be a part of it, but not all use of drugs is part of sorcery. That's why we are warned to stay away from this type of drug use, but are never prohibited from all drug use. And you are right, simply being intoxicated with alcohol or high on pot isn't sorcery. BUT, we can open ourselves up to the world of evil spirits if we aren't careful.
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Obadiah
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Why, you're welcome!...(Oh, and thanks for the kind words brother Obadiah...)
TheCurseoftheRodain
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I say thee nay, actually, my brother;
for if Isaiah 53:4-5 does not include physical healing (the word grief in the Hebrew is disease (and sickness) and sorrow there is pain/weakness), then what in the world does Matthew 8:16-17 mean?
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Or if you read it in the Amplified:
16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were [g]under the power of demons, and He drove out the spirits with a word and restored to health all who were sick.
17 And thus He fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, He Himself took [[h]in order to carry away] our weaknesses and infirmities and bore [i]away our diseases.
Surely to anyone reading this Scripture sees that "By His Stripes we were healed" is a literal statement of Truth...there is no other conclusion to draw here, unless one wishes to indulge in self-deception a la Cain or Eve.
At the cross in Isaiah 53:4-5 Jesus provided the finished work for all physical healing, spiritual healing (transgressions/sins) and mental/emotional healing (where do you have peace? A: in your soul (which is your mind, will and emotions)). One shot, all 3 dimensions of mankind were healed.
TheCurseoftheRodain
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What does seek the Lord continually mean to you? It sounds like you are looking for a justification to not do this. And that is between you and the Lord, I am not your judge, but I would ask Him how you could seek Him continually and for Him to lead you into that. God does not want us compartmentalizing our lives and deciding which parts He can be a part the Lord of...
Obadiah
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A Christian friend told me a true story once. He was the head chef at a fancy restaurant at a resort. He hired a Christian guy as a dishwasher. So the guy shows up for work and my friend shows him where to work and what to do and leaves him to it. Since he claimed to have worked as a dishwasher in the past, my friend assumed he knew what he was doing. About an hour later he gets a complaint from another worker that no dishes are being washed and the new dish washer is nowhere to be found. My friend searched everywhere for him and finally found him in a closed section of the restaurant sitting at a table praying. He told my friend that because he was a Christian he trusted in God for all things and needed to pray about washing the dishes, along with a lot of other things, and since this relationship with God has to come first, he couldn't possibly be in the kitchen washing the dishes instead of praying about it.
He was so heavenly minded that he was no earthly good. He was also fired on the spot.
He was so heavenly minded that he was no earthly good. He was also fired on the spot.
Classik
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Of course you know what am talking about, granny. Docs need salvation as much as everyone else. No doctor helped HIM complete the healing of any sick. I go for one whenever necessary. Hello granny! What's the name of that med HE gave that guy when he suffered pangs, aspirin? Spiritual aspirin. LOL
The name of the med was wine....
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Are you sure He did n't invite .. .Was Luke there without an invite? We dont know all He did...
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agua.
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You're right there Rodain but I suggest Isaiah is talking about what Jesus would do during His Earthly ministry and also the eternal plan. Jesus did heal as you say but the implication isn't that we would be healed of every sickness while in this life. Of course in the New world we/re told there will be no more sickness and we do of course pray for healing and as per His will He heals.
Do you ever get ill for more than a moment ?
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Gary
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Show me from the Word where it states that it is a sin to seek medical attention. Show me where it states that doctors should be avoided and that if I should seek a doctors service, it is a sign that I am putting my trust in someone other than God.
Before Obamacare caused me to lose my health insurance, I was seeing doctors at least twice a month. At one time it was everyday for 2 1/2 months. Hopefully I'll be getting my insurance straightened out here in the next few days and then I plan on resuming those visits. I also take 6 different medications, or should I say I tap into 6 bottles of witchcraft everyday....2 of'em twice a day.
If you want to say I have no faith, I'm ok with that. If you want to say I put all these things before God, I'm ok with that too. You can pretty much say whatever you want. I'm secure with who I am and where I am in my walk with Christ.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take my meds..........or should I say, witchcraft.
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