Why didnt God take away the choice without violating freewill

[Whatever]

Where is that asking, and when is this "appointed day"? Satan and the sons of God showed up first

Yeah, when you are summoned you show up.

 

[Dykstra]

Free will is a myth and its got nothing to do with God. Its a construct of man to justify his sin. No where in scripture is this myth of free will even hinted at.

 

[Whatever]

Free will is a myth and its got nothing to do with God. Its a construct of man to justify his sin. No where in scripture is this myth of free will even hinted at.

People will use passages that have the words "free will" in them to say "see, there it is."

Leviticus 1:3 'If his offering is a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish; he shall offer it of his own free will at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the LORD.

Leviticus 19:5 'And if you offer a sacrifice of a peace offering to the LORD, you shall offer it of your own free will.

Actually, there are 4 all together in the New King James and all in Leviticus. When I look at the passages in the ESV those words are not there.

New King James
Leviticus 1:3 'If his offering is a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish; he shall offer it of his own free will at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the LORD.
Leviticus 19:5 'And if you offer a sacrifice of a peace offering to the LORD, you shall offer it of your own free will.

English Standard Version
Leviticus 1:3 “If his offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he shall offer a male without blemish. He shall bring it to the entrance of the tent of meeting, that he may be accepted before the LORD.
Leviticus 19:5 “When you offer a sacrifice of peace offerings to the LORD, you shall offer it so that you may be accepted.

The other 2 in the New King James that has free will in it are:
Leviticus 22:19 and Leviticus 22:29. The are not there in the ESV.

 

[electedbyHim]

Free will is a myth and its got nothing to do with God. Its a construct of man to justify his sin. No where in scripture is this myth of free will even hinted at.

The only free will the unregenerate have is that they are free to sin.

One is either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness.

 

[Whatever]

The only free will the unregenerate have is that they are free to sin.

One is either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness.

I remember reading somewhere that Martin Luther in his Bondage of the Will, compared man to a horse that was either ridden by Satan or the Lord.
I think this is it or part of it.

"Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the saddle? The horse is obedient and accommodates itself to every movement of the rider and goes whither he wills it. Does God throw down the reins? Then Satan leaps upon the back of the animal, which bends, goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of its new rider...

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,

Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3

God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

power. God allowed Satan to test Job's faith by attacking "all that he has." With God's sovereign permission, Satan was allowed to move on Job, except that he could not attack Job physically.

That’s permission, NOT a command. Satan challenged God first, God responded. God didn’t use Satan to maliciously attack Job, that’s Satan’s intent, not God’s. Later Job’s three buddies trolled him that this is divine retribution, he must’ve been punished by God for his sins, all of that was rebuked.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yeah, when you are summoned you show up.

No they were not summoned, they barged in. In Rev. 12, Satan and his angels were cast down to earth, heaven had no place for them, that’s why they were roaming to and fro on earth. Now they showed up before God in heaven, they are out of their place.

 

[electedbyHim]

That’s permission, NOT a command. Satan challenged God first, God responded. God didn’t use Satan to maliciously attack Job, that’s Satan’s intent, not God’s. Later Job’s three buddies trolled him that this is divine retribution, he must’ve been punished by God for his sins, all of that was rebuked.

Are you suggesting God does not use satan to attack Christians?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Are you suggesting God does not use satan to attack Christians?

No. The earth is Satan's domain, he attacks God's people whom God loves as his own children. You're accusing God of Satan's persecution.

 

[Free]

God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.

God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.

Almost two weeks of the same back and forth. Isn’t that the so-called definition of insanity? One of you needs be the first to let it go and move on to a different point. Or discuss if this is what happened in Eden. At least then it would be relevant to the topic.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Almost two weeks of the same back and forth. Isn’t that the so-called definition of insanity? One of you needs be the first to let it go and move on to a different point. Or discuss if this is what happened in Eden. At least then it would be relevant to the topic.

What should be let go of is blaming God for mankind's sin, as though it was a set up, which was thoroughly rebuked in Rom. 6:1

 

[electedbyHim]

No. The earth is Satan's domain, he attacks God's people whom God loves as his own children. You're accusing God of Satan's persecution.

Your suggesting God has no control of satan and sin.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Your suggesting God has no control of satan and sin.

You're strawmanning.

 

[brightfame52]

God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.

Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,

Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,

Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3

God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.

 

[brightfame52]

God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.

Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,

Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3

 

[electedbyHim]

You're strawmanning.

I will rephrase.

Does God have control over satan and use him for His purposes?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I will rephrase.

Does God have control over satan and use him for His purposes?

God sets boundaries, and only within these boundaries can Satan operate. How exactly does it go is up to Satan. God does expose his saints to Satan by lifting the protective “hedge” around them, as mentioned in Job, to test their faith; for the disobedient, prodigal children, it’s also meant to teach them a lesson so they would repent, but that was never his original purpose. His original purpose for mankind is to “multiply and subdue the earth” as his representatives, anything else is subject to that goal.

 

[electedbyHim]

God sets boundaries, and only within these boundaries can Satan operate. How exactly does it go is up to Satan. God does expose his saints to Satan by lifting the protective “hedge” around them, as mentioned in Job, to test their faith; for the disobedient, prodigal children, it’s also meant to teach them a lesson so they would repent, but that was never his original purpose. His original purpose for mankind is to “multiply and subdue the earth” as his representatives, anything else is subject to that goal.

God is sovereign over satan and sin.

None of that slips by the Lord.

God controls everything.