Who challenged God in the first place?
There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
Why didnt God take away the choice without violating freewill
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There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
Who challenged God in the first place? Again, God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God is initiating a challenge against God.
There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God is initiating a challenge against God.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
Job 1:6 Now it was the day that the sons of God came to stand before Yahweh, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:7 And Yahweh said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered Yahweh and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”
Job 1:8 Then Yahweh said to Satan, “Have you set your heart upon My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.”
Job 1:6
sons of God. Job's life is about to be caught up in heavenly strategies as the scene moves from earth to heaven where God is holding council with His heavenly court. It is significant to note that neither Job nor his friends ever knew about this. All of their discussions were conducted without the benefit of knowing about this heavenly dimension. The angelic host (cf. Job_38:7; Psa_29:1; Psa_89:7; Dan_3:25) came to God's throne to render account of their ministry throughout the earth and heaven (cf. 1Ki_22:19-22). Like a Judas among the apostles, Satan was with the angels.
Satan. Emboldened by the success he had with the unfallen Adam in paradise (Gen_3:6-12, Gen_3:17-19), he was confident that the fear of God in Job, one of a fallen race, would not stand his tests, for he had fallen himself (see Isa_14:12). In contrast to a personal name, Satan as a title means "adversary," used in either a personal or judicial sense. This arch-demon is the ultimate spiritual adversary of all time and has been accusing the righteous throughout the ages (see Rev_12:10). In a courtroom setting, the adversary usually stood to the right of the accused. This location is reported when Satan in heaven accused Joshua the high priest (Zec_3:1). That he is still unsuccessful is the thesis of Rom_8:31-39.
Job 1:7
And the Lord said. Lest there be any question about God's role in this ordeal, it was He who initiated the dialogue. The adversary was not presiding. If anything, Satan raised the penetrating question that might well be asked by anyone, perhaps even Job himself: Does Job serve God with pure motives, or is he in it only as long as the blessings flow? Spiritually speaking, is Job merely a "fair weather" believer in God?
Job 1:7-8
to and fro on the earth. The picture is of haste. No angel, fallen or holy, is an omnipresent creature, but they move rapidly. In Satan's case, as prince of this world (Joh_12:31; Joh_14:30; Joh_16:11) and ruler of demons (Mat_9:34; Mat_12:24), the earth is his domain where he prowls like a "roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1Pe_5:8). God gave him Job to test.
Job 1:7 And Yahweh said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered Yahweh and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”
Job 1:8 Then Yahweh said to Satan, “Have you set your heart upon My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.”
Job 1:6
sons of God. Job's life is about to be caught up in heavenly strategies as the scene moves from earth to heaven where God is holding council with His heavenly court. It is significant to note that neither Job nor his friends ever knew about this. All of their discussions were conducted without the benefit of knowing about this heavenly dimension. The angelic host (cf. Job_38:7; Psa_29:1; Psa_89:7; Dan_3:25) came to God's throne to render account of their ministry throughout the earth and heaven (cf. 1Ki_22:19-22). Like a Judas among the apostles, Satan was with the angels.
Satan. Emboldened by the success he had with the unfallen Adam in paradise (Gen_3:6-12, Gen_3:17-19), he was confident that the fear of God in Job, one of a fallen race, would not stand his tests, for he had fallen himself (see Isa_14:12). In contrast to a personal name, Satan as a title means "adversary," used in either a personal or judicial sense. This arch-demon is the ultimate spiritual adversary of all time and has been accusing the righteous throughout the ages (see Rev_12:10). In a courtroom setting, the adversary usually stood to the right of the accused. This location is reported when Satan in heaven accused Joshua the high priest (Zec_3:1). That he is still unsuccessful is the thesis of Rom_8:31-39.
Job 1:7
And the Lord said. Lest there be any question about God's role in this ordeal, it was He who initiated the dialogue. The adversary was not presiding. If anything, Satan raised the penetrating question that might well be asked by anyone, perhaps even Job himself: Does Job serve God with pure motives, or is he in it only as long as the blessings flow? Spiritually speaking, is Job merely a "fair weather" believer in God?
Job 1:7-8
to and fro on the earth. The picture is of haste. No angel, fallen or holy, is an omnipresent creature, but they move rapidly. In Satan's case, as prince of this world (Joh_12:31; Joh_14:30; Joh_16:11) and ruler of demons (Mat_9:34; Mat_12:24), the earth is his domain where he prowls like a "roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1Pe_5:8). God gave him Job to test.
God didn't summon any of them, presenting before God without asking is initiating a challenge against God.
One commentary said this about your "presenting."
To present themselves before the Lord — Before his throne, to receive his commands, and to give him an account of their ministrations. The verb להתיצב, lehithjatseb, here rendered to present themselves, expresses the attendance and assiduity of ministers appearing before their king to receive his instructions, or give an account of their negotiations.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible says:
In the Hebrew there is no intimation of the frequency with which this occurred, nor of the time of the year when it happened. The only idea is, that "the sons of God" on a set or appointed day came to stand before God to give an account of what they had done, and to receive further orders in regard to what they were to do.
I don't think they just barged in without asking.
Where is that asking, and when is this "appointed day"? Satan and the sons of God showed up first, THEN God asked, not the other way around, that's what the text says. Besides, God didn't give Satan any "command", all he did was lifting the protective "hedge" around Job. Satan advanced to hurt Job, but that was his own challenge, God didn't order or instruct him to do that.
Says nothing about a challenge being issued by anyone,
Satan hadn't said a word about Job first in this narrative, God did ! Who initiated the challenge regarding job in the narrative ? Job 2:1-3
Job 1:12 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him." So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.
power. God allowed Satan to test Job's faith by attacking "all that he has." With God's sovereign permission, Satan was allowed to move on Job, except that he could not attack Job physically.
so when did God give man this mythical free will thing. Can you provide scripture that supports this free will thing?
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