Bible Study Why Sunday can NOT be the Lord's Day

[Vic C.]

He died on a Friday and was raised on Sunday.

Collier, I'm not trying to single you out, but this part of one of your posts just stood out. Are you 100% sure of this? All we know from the Bible is that He was resurrected sometime after sunset and before sunrise.
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Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus specifically mentions three days and three nights...not once but twice! Surely we can do the math. :wink:

 

[Bob10]

The Chronology of Christ's Crucifixion & Resurrection

 

[Elijah message]

He died on a Friday and was raised on Sunday.

Collier, I'm not trying to single you out, but this part of one of your posts just stood out. Are you 100% sure of this? All we know from the Bible is that He was resurrected sometime after sunset and before sunrise.
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[quote:57475]Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus specifically mentions three days and three nights...not once but twice! Surely we can do the math. :wink:[/quote:57475]

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Hi young'in! (Elijah here)
It is not your MATH that is faulty, but your 'temporarily' lack of Matt. 4:4!! :fadein:. And also 2 Tim. 3:16 say's ALL SCRIPTURE!! That includes All of you'in's that are in the study of these other 'foolish' (of Matt. 25, ALL SLEEPING) Virgins sites!!?? Or are they the Rev. 17:5 ones?? : Whatever?

Surely 'i' will be hearing from you, huh? :fadein: But I 'Still' think that you are side stepping your calling! See Acts 5:32!

 

[Collier]

Hey Vic,

• I don't mind being singled out. Bob and I discussed this on page 4 of this thread and I provided other instances where an equal number of days and nights are used but do not "add up" to a full 24 hour period.

Elijah message, you talkin' to me?

 

[Elijah message]

Hey Vic,

• I don't mind being singled out. Bob and I discussed this on page 4 of this thread and I provided other instances where an equal number of days and nights are used but do not "add up" to a full 24 hour period.

Elijah message, you talkin' to me?

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Naw, Victor is the gent. :fadein:
---Elijah

 

[Vic C.]

Hey Vic,

• I don't mind being singled out. Bob and I discussed this on page 4 of this thread and I provided other instances where an equal number of days and nights are used but do not "add up" to a full 24 hour period.

Elijah message, you talkin' to me?

*goes back to pg. 4* In the meantime, could you show in the Bible where It says He was crucified on the sixth day?
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N.B....what do you think my calling is? 8-) And I missed your point...are you agreeing or disagreeing with the 'three days and three nights'?
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The Chronology of Christ's Crucifixion & Resurrection

Good site Bob. It clearly takes into account the Jewish calendar, which is importatnt to understanding the crucifixion, among other events in the NT.

 

[Collier]

Vic:

• Study Luke 24!

V.1) "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them."

• V.13) "And behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about three score furlongs."

V.21) "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."

• V.46) "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:"

This is absolute proof the Jesus arose on Sunday. Whether you want to argue if He was crucified on Friday or Thursday or Wednesday we can find the truth of this matter as well. It will take a little longer post and more verses to show the timeline of Jesus' final week (which you can also find on the link I provided).

 

[Collier]

Someone explain John 19:31!

 

[Elijah message]

Hay Vic,
I believe that Adventism have Virgin doctrines, remember?? :fadein:

Through the centuries Christendom has been quite agreed that Jesus died on Friday afternoon and rose from the tomb early the next Sunday morning. However, in recent years some have contended that when Christ said He would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matt. 12:40). That He meant that He would be in the grave 72 hours. On this assumption is built the Wednesday crucifixion theory, which places the resurrection on Sabbath afternoon. Hence it seems necessary to examine Christ's statements regarding this matter.

When Jesus spoke beforehand of His death and resurrection, He used several phrases concerning "three days", and [once] "three days and three nights."

Meaning of "Day." --Jesus once spoke of the day having 12 hours (John 11:9-10), referring [obviously] to the daytime as opposed to the night, This was literally true as Jesus meant it, for when He lived among men the time between sunrise and sunset was divided into 12 equal parts, or 'hours,' which 'hours' varied in length according to the season.

Similarly His phrase "three days" must be interpreted according to what those words mean, [not according to our present Western meaning.]

The Greek language, in which the New Testament was written, had a word for 'night-day,' nuchthemeron (see 2 Cor.11:25): and Genesis enumerated each successive day of creation as composed of 'evening' and 'morning.' Jesus' "three days and three nights" are merely "three [calendar] days," as understood in the language of that day.

Different Phrases For Same Period.-- This is clear from the fact that He refers at different times to the same period----the interval between His death and His resurrection---as '[in] three days,' '[after] three days,' [on] 'the third day'. Once, He is quoting from Jonah (ch. 1:17), He uses the phrase 'three days and three nights,' Unless we accuse Jesus of contradicting Himself, we must accept [all the phrases] as meaning the same period of time. Even the priests and the Pharisees who quoted Jesus as predicting His resurrection [after] three days,' asked Pilot to have the tomb guarded '[until] the third day' (not until after the third day). They [obviously] understood the two phrases to mean the same.

Here are all the texts mentioning this three day period: 'In three days' 'After three days' 'The third day'.
Matt. 26:61; 27:40---------27:63; 12:40 ---------16:21; 17:23; 27:64
Mark 14:58 -------------------8:31
Luke-----------------------------------9:22, 24:21, 46
John 2:19-21

Inclusive:
The question as to how long Jesus remained in the tomb would never have arisen had not some [modern] readers misunderstood the common ancient method of counting, called 'inclusive reckoning'. This method included in the reckoning of a time interval both the day (or year) on which any period of time began and also that on which it ended, no matter how small a fraction of the beginning and ending was involved.

We say, a child is called '10 years old' all though and until his 11th year, and becomes 11 only after he has reached the end of 11 full years. Not so in the Bible. The Bible lists several periods of 'three days' that ended [during, not after the third day], and thus covered [less than three full 24-hr. days]. see Gen. 42:17-19; cf. 1 Kings 12:5, 12 with 2 Cron. 10:5, 12.)

But we are not left with merely an obvious deduction as to what Jesus meant by 'third day'. We have it from His own lips. In speaking of Herod on one occasion He said, 'Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and [the third day I shall be perfected]. Neverless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and [the following]: for it cannot be that a prophet [perish out] of Jerusalem' (Luke 13:32-33). ---Thus He equated the third day with the day after tomorrow.--the third day counted inclusively.

Friday was the Crucifixion.-- What day, we may inquire, was the day on which this three-day prophecy of Jesus was fulfilled?
The answer is, 'The first day of the week' (Mark; see on Matt. 28:1). Late 'that same day' (Luke 24:1, 13), two disciples met Him on the road to Emmaus, and in talking of the crucifixion of their Master and their own deep disappointments, declared, 'To day is the third day since these things were done' (Luke 24:21). Jesus Himself said, when He appeared to the twelve in the upper room, 'This it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the [third day]' (Luke 24:46). As Paul later said, 'He arose the third day according to scripture' (1 Cor.15:4). Sunday, obviously, the third day!

What, then, was the day of the crucifixion, seeing that Sunday was the third day, or the 'day after tomorrow'? Obviously, the preceding Friday, the day before the Sabbath. This is in exact accord with Luke's statement that the women left the embalming unfinished on the day of the preparation as the Sabbath drew on,and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment before returning on the first day of the week (Luke 23:54-24:1). They would not have waited several days [as some suppose] by those who put Jesus' death on Wednesday and make the Sabbath here mentioned merely a festival, or ceremonial, sabbath. (TAKE NOTE!) Besides, the phase 'an high day' is taken by many to indicate that in the year the festival sabbath fell on the weekly Sabbath (see John 19:31).

In other words. As Christ died on Friday sunset, the last offering for the Lamb of God was offered, the day of Atonement!

This is mostly & in part taken from the Seventh-day Adventist commentary, and with my highlights.--- Elijah

 

[Elijah message]

Sorrrrry about that!

 

[Elijah message]

Hay Vic,
I believe that Adventism have Virgin doctrines, remember?? :fadein:

Through the centuries Christendom has been quite agreed that Jesus died on Friday afternoon and rose from the tomb early the next Sunday morning. However, in recent years some have contended that when Christ said He would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matt. 12:40). That He meant that He would be in the grave 72 hours. On this assumption is built the Wednesday crucifixion theory, which places the resurrection on Sabbath afternoon. Hence it seems necessary to examine Christ's statements regarding this matter.

When Jesus spoke beforehand of His death and resurrection, He used several phrases concerning "three days", and [once] "three days and three nights."

Meaning of "Day." --Jesus once spoke of the day having 12 hours (John 11:9-10), referring [obviously] to the daytime as opposed to the night, This was literally true as Jesus meant it, for when He lived among men the time between sunrise and sunset was divided into 12 equal parts, or 'hours,' which 'hours' varied in length according to the season.

Similarly His phrase "three days" must be interpreted according to what those words mean, [not according to our present Western meaning.]

The Greek language, in which the New Testament was written, had a word for 'night-day,' nuchthemeron (see 2 Cor.11:25): and Genesis enumerated each successive day of creation as composed of 'evening' and 'morning.' Jesus' "three days and three nights" are merely "three [calendar] days," as understood in the language of that day.

Different Phrases For Same Period.-- This is clear from the fact that He refers at different times to the same period----the interval between His death and His resurrection---as '[in] three days,' '[after] three days,' [on] 'the third day'. Once, He is quoting from Jonah (ch. 1:17), He uses the phrase 'three days and three nights,' Unless we accuse Jesus of contradicting Himself, we must accept [all the phrases] as meaning the same period of time. Even the priests and the Pharisees who quoted Jesus as predicting His resurrection [after] three days,' asked Pilot to have the tomb guarded '[until] the third day' (not until after the third day). They [obviously] understood the two phrases to mean the same.

Here are all the texts mentioning this three day period: 'In three days' 'After three days' 'The third day'.
Matt. 26:61; 27:40---------27:63; 12:40 ---------16:21; 17:23; 27:64
Mark 14:58 -------------------8:31
Luke-----------------------------------9:22, 24:21, 46
John 2:19-21

Inclusive:
The question as to how long Jesus remained in the tomb would never have arisen had not some [modern] readers misunderstood the common ancient method of counting, called 'inclusive reckoning'. This method included in the reckoning of a time interval both the day (or year) on which any period of time began and also that on which it ended, no matter how small a fraction of the beginning and ending was involved.

We say, a child is called '10 years old' all though and until his 11th year, and becomes 11 only after he has reached the end of 11 full years. Not so in the Bible. The Bible lists several periods of 'three days' that ended [during, not after the third day], and thus covered [less than three full 24-hr. days]. see Gen. 42:17-19; cf. 1 Kings 12:5, 12 with 2 Cron. 10:5, 12.)

But we are not left with merely an obvious deduction as to what Jesus meant by 'third day'. We have it from His own lips. In speaking of Herod on one occasion He said, 'Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and [the third day I shall be perfected]. Neverless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and [the following]: for it cannot be that a prophet [perish out] of Jerusalem' (Luke 13:32-33). ---Thus He equated the third day with the day after tomorrow.--the third day counted inclusively.

Friday was the Crucifixion.-- What day, we may inquire, was the day on which this three-day prophecy of Jesus was fulfilled?
The answer is, 'The first day of the week' (Mark; see on Matt. 28:1). Late 'that same day' (Luke 24:1, 13), two disciples met Him on the road to Emmaus, and in talking of the crucifixion of their Master and their own deep disappointments, declared, 'To day is the third day since these things were done' (Luke 24:21). Jesus Himself said, when He appeared to the twelve in the upper room, 'This it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the [third day]' (Luke 24:46). As Paul later said, 'He arose the third day according to scripture' (1 Cor.15:4). Sunday, obviously, the third day!

What, then, was the day of the crucifixion, seeing that Sunday was the third day, or the 'day after tomorrow'? Obviously, the preceding Friday, the day before the Sabbath. This is in exact accord with Luke's statement that the women left the embalming unfinished on the day of the preparation as the Sabbath drew on,and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment before returning on the first day of the week (Luke 23:54-24:1). They would not have waited several days [as some suppose] by those who put Jesus' death on Wednesday and make the Sabbath here mentioned merely a festival, or ceremonial, sabbath. (TAKE NOTE!) Besides, the phase 'an high day' is taken by many to indicate that in the year the festival sabbath fell on the weekly Sabbath (see John 19:31).

In other words. As Christ died on Friday sunset, the last offering for the Lamb of God was offered, the day of Atonement!

This is mostly & in part taken from the Seventh-day Adventist commentary, and with my highlights.--- Elijah

 

[Elijah message]

Through the centuries Christendom has been quite agreed that Jesus died on Friday afternoon and rose from the tomb early the next Sunday morning. However, in recent years some have contended that when Christ said He would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matt. 12:40). That He meant that He would be in the grave 72 hours. On this assumption is built the Wednesday crucifixion theory, which places the resurrection on Sabbath afternoon. Hence it seems necessary to examine Christ's statements regarding this matter.

When Jesus spoke beforehand of His death and resurrection, He used several phrases concerning "three days", and [once] "three days and three nights."

Meaning of "Day." --Jesus once spoke of the day having 12 hours (John 11:9-10), referring [obviously] to the daytime as opposed to the night, This was literally true as Jesus meant it, for when He lived among men the time between sunrise and sunset was divided into 12 equal parts, or 'hours,' which 'hours' varied in length according to the season.

Similarly His phrase "three days" must be interpreted according to what those words mean, [not according to our present Western meaning.]

The Greek language, in which the New Testament was written, had a word for 'night-day,' nuchthemeron (see 2 Cor.11:25): and Genesis enumerated each successive day of creation as composed of 'evening' and 'morning.' Jesus' "three days and three nights" are merely "three [calendar] days," as understood in the language of that day.

Different Phrases For Same Period.-- This is clear from the fact that He refers at different times to the same period----the interval between His death and His resurrection---as '[in] three days,' '[after] three days,' [on] 'the third day'. Once, He is quoting from Jonah (ch. 1:17), He uses the phrase 'three days and three nights,' Unless we accuse Jesus of contradicting Himself, we must accept [all the phrases] as meaning the same period of time. Even the priests and the Pharisees who quoted Jesus as predicting His resurrection [after] three days,' asked Pilot to have the tomb guarded '[until] the third day' (not until after the third day). They [obviously] understood the two phrases to mean the same.

Here are all the texts mentioning this three day period: 'In three days' 'After three days' 'The third day'.
Matt. 26:61; 27:40---------27:63; 12:40 ---------16:21; 17:23; 27:64
Mark 14:58 -------------------8:31
Luke-----------------------------------9:22, 24:21, 46
John 2:19-21

Inclusive:
The question as to how long Jesus remained in the tomb would never have arisen had not some [modern] readers misunderstood the common ancient method of counting, called 'inclusive reckoning'. This method included in the reckoning of a time interval both the day (or year) on which any period of time began and also that on which it ended, no matter how small a fraction of the beginning and ending was involved.

We say, a child is called '10 years old' all though and until his 11th year, and becomes 11 only after he has reached the end of 11 full years. Not so in the Bible. The Bible lists several periods of 'three days' that ended [during, not after the third day], and thus covered [less than three full 24-hr. days]. see Gen. 42:17-19; cf. 1 Kings 12:5, 12 with 2 Cron. 10:5, 12.)

But we are not left with merely an obvious deduction as to what Jesus meant by 'third day'. We have it from His own lips. In speaking of Herod on one occasion He said, 'Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and [the third day I shall be perfected]. Neverless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and [the following]: for it cannot be that a prophet [perish out] of Jerusalem' (Luke 13:32-33). ---Thus He equated the third day with the day after tomorrow.--the third day counted inclusively.

Friday was the Crucifixion.-- What day, we may inquire, was the day on which this three-day prophecy of Jesus was fulfilled?
The answer is, 'The first day of the week' (Mark; see on Matt. 28:1). Late 'that same day' (Luke 24:1, 13), two disciples met Him on the road to Emmaus, and in talking of the crucifixion of their Master and their own deep disappointments, declared, 'To day is the third day since these things were done' (Luke 24:21). Jesus Himself said, when He appeared to the twelve in the upper room, 'This it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the [third day]' (Luke 24:46). As Paul later said, 'He arose the third day according to scripture' (1 Cor.15:4). Sunday, obviously, the third day!

What, then, was the day of the crucifixion, seeing that Sunday was the third day, or the 'day after tomorrow'? Obviously, the preceding Friday, the day before the Sabbath. This is in exact accord with Luke's statement that the women left the embalming unfinished on the day of the preparation as the Sabbath drew on,and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment before returning on the first day of the week (Luke 23:54-24:1). They would not have waited several days [as some suppose] by those who put Jesus' death on Wednesday and make the Sabbath here mentioned merely a festival, or ceremonial, sabbath. (TAKE NOTE!) Besides, the phase 'an high day' is taken by many to indicate that in the year the festival sabbath fell on the weekly Sabbath (see John 19:31).

In other words. As Christ died on Friday sunset, the last offering for the Lamb of God was offered, the day of Atonement!

This is mostly & in part taken from the Seventh-day Adventist commentary, and with my highlights.--- Elijah

 

[Vic C.]

This is absolute proof the Jesus arose on Sunday. Whether you want to argue if He was crucified on Friday or Thursday or Wednesday we can find the truth of this matter as well. It will take a little longer post and more verses to show the timeline of Jesus' final week (which you can also find on the link I provided).

Actually, all this does is show us He rose on the first day. Now the first day, if we use the current calendar, began at sunset Saturday. So it is conceivable He rose on what we now call Saturday.

Someone explain John 19:31!

It explains itself...it is what we are trying to tell you.....there were two sabbaths that week. The High one was the first one.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Collier, I was one the other side of this at one time not too long ago. I used every excuse in the book to rationalize that three days and three nights somehow could be fit into Fri-Sun. Taken ALL facts into account, meaning using Jewish calendars along with our NT, that Fri.-Sun. conclusion is just not factual.

N.B., you say..."I believe that Adventism have Virgin doctrines, remember?? "

Well I believe Jesus speaks Truth and three days and three nights means a 72 hour period.

Now let's look at some more verses...

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Just as I said earlier...all scripture says is that He departed from His grave somewhere after sunset but before dawn.

So again I ask, isn't it possible He rose sometime right after sunset but before sunrise?

BTW, your post make several mention to three days but talks little about what is meant by also adding three nights to the equation. Now if a day constitutes 12 hours and a night also constitutes 12 hours, you add them up (three days and three nights) and you have 72 hours.

N.B., no offense, but your post surprised me. I would have thought you would have forsaken this type of Adventist doctrine for a more Biblical Truth. Sorry, but this sounds like the doctrine of one of the 'daughters' you are always warning me about.

Vic

 

[Elijah message]

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Collier wrote:
This is absolute proof the Jesus arose on Sunday. Whether you want to argue if He was crucified on Friday or Thursday or Wednesday we can find the truth of this matter as well. It will take a little longer post and more verses to show the timeline of Jesus' final week (which you can also find on the link I provided).

Vic says:
Actually, all this does is show us He rose on the first day. Now the first day, if we use the current calendar, began at sunset Saturday. So it is conceivable He rose on what we now call Saturday.
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What are you saying?? You mean Saturday night after the Sabbath was PAST!--Elijah

 

[Collier]

Vic,

• we both agree that the Bible does not reveal the exact time Jesus arose from the grave. All we can be sure of is that it was on the first day of the week.

In regards to the day he died, the verses in Luke 24 show it to be Friday. V.21 says Sunday was the third day, Saturday would have been the second day and Friday the first. In the Jewish system of time any part of the day was considered the whole. Jesus died at 3 p.m. (round about) and thus it would be considered the whole day.

• What is sad is that depending upon one's view determines what day they say that Nisan 14 fell upon in the year Jesus died. Sabbatarians always show it to be Wednesday while others put it on Friday. I am still trying to find an independent source (one with no agenda either way). However, through the evidence of the scriptures, it is clear of a Friday-Sunday time frame. If you would like another example of 3 days and nights not being a full 72 hour period is found in Esther chapter 4 through chapter 5.

 

[guibox]

N.B., no offense, but your post surprised me. I would have thought you would have forsaken this type of Adventist doctrine for a more Biblical Truth. Sorry, but this sounds like the doctrine of one of the 'daughters' you are always warning me about.

Hold on here Vic. The majority of Christendom believes in the Friday-Sunday Easter. You make this sound like it is an exclusive Adventist doctrine, anti-biblical belief. I think your comment was a bit misleading and impulsive there. It's not fair to single out the Adventists on this doctrine.

Your arguments were what Herbert W. Armstrong's Church of God believed for a long time.

However, with your argument, what you have is Christ dying on the cross on Wednesday and being buried. However, Christ and the criminals were taken down off the cross because the Sabbath was coming and the Jews didn't want them up there. Plus you would have a two day gap between Christ's death and account of the ladies going to prepare ointments to rest on the Sabbath. Where is this lost time in the scriptures?

Sure your reasoning about the 3 full days and nights might have some support, but so does the other way of Jewish reckoning. Plus the rest of the events and time period take place over a weekend in the scriptures. If all the cross' activities occured on Wednesday night, where did Thursday and Friday go.

I'm not sure where you're going with the whole rising on Saturday night or before sunset. By Jewish reckoning, it was still Sunday. The first day of the week started when the sun went down on Saturday. Sunset to sunset was how time was measured.

WHY ARE WE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE!!!! THIS IS ABOUT SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY!!!! BACK ON TOPIC!!

 

[Elijah message]

Another TRUTH!
Surely the Friday (preparation day) evening Sacrifice would need to match the Day of Atonement's prefigured death of Christ the real Live Lamb of the Godhead!! (see Lev. 16)

Remember that there was a thunderous quake and physical events that took place, and with the Vail of the earthly Sanctuary being rent from the top to the bottom, by an unseen hand, making the way from the Holy Place into the *MOST HOLY PLACE! Even had a 'special resurection' that came out of the graves [after] the resurection of Christ!

Think of the High Priest on earth who had made the ETERNAL FATAL DECISION to REJECT THIS *TRUE LAMB, and now, on the day of Atonement (see Lev. 17:*8-9) he is still carrying on with the ritual of having a knife in his hand and about ready to slay the live sacrifice, the lamb offering. Then he see's this supernatural event take place! (Matt. 27:*50-54) And not only he, but all there in the location! (what would 'finished' satan need to do with this)

Now, here comes more 'winds' of Jude's description of 'newer last day doctrines' as seen in verse 12. (Armstrong's stuff & with Moses 'feast day' confussion!)

Yet: Another 'major point' in this 'missed' study, is the [Seven Spots of blood of the day of Atonement]. Christ' last FINISHED work as our High Priest in heaven itself! Dan. 12:1-2. "And at that TIME SHALL MICHAEL STAND UP, the Great Prince that Standeth for the children of thy people: ..."

---Elijah

 

[Vic C.]

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gregga/hebrew/e-prep.html

Hold on here Vic. The majority of Christendom believes in the Friday-Sunday Easter. You make this sound like it is an exclusive Adventist doctrine, anti-biblical belief. I think your comment was a bit misleading and impulsive there. It's not fair to single out the Adventists on this doctrine.

Your arguments were what Herbert W. Armstrong's Church of God believed for a long time.

Well, not all of Armstrong's beliefs were sound but it was the WCG, NOT the COG, that first brought all this to my attention a while back. I sort of put it on the back burner until I learned a bit more about it a couple of years ago.

I am not singling out the SDA at all. I was responding to Elijah's statement, which was...

..."I believe that Adventism have Virgin doctrines, remember?? "

You need to know the conversational history he and I have here before you pass judgement on my statement to him.

However, with your argument, what you have is Christ dying on the cross on Wednesday and being buried. However, Christ and the criminals were taken down off the cross because the Sabbath was coming and the Jews didn't want them up there. Plus you would have a two day gap between Christ's death and account of the ladies going to prepare ointments to rest on the Sabbath. Where is this lost time in the scriptures?

Sure your reasoning about the 3 full days and nights might have some support, but so does the other way of Jewish reckoning. Plus the rest of the events and time period take place over a weekend in the scriptures. If all the cross' activities occured on Wednesday night, where did Thursday and Friday go.

Simple. Wed. sunset to Thurs. sunset...one day. Thurs. sunset to Fri. sunset...one day. Fri. sunset to Sat. sunset...one day. Add them up...three days and three nights. I'd still like to know, how does one get three days and three nights out of Friday to Sunday? (before sunrise, no less) In the literal sense please, because I believe Jesus was speaking literally.

And where is there a two day gap? :-? All we know is that the women appeared maybe by sunrise. That is a 12 hours timespan at best. (Seventh day sunset to first day sunrise)

I'm not sure where you're going with the whole rising on Saturday night or before sunset. By Jewish reckoning, it was still Sunday. The first day of the week started when the sun went down on Saturday. Sunset to sunset was how time was measured.

First off, I didn't say anything about rising before sunset. 8-) Plus the Jews didn't call the days by the names we know them as. And our first day begins at 12 AM. Theirs begins at sunset. I thought we had established that already.

WHY ARE WE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE!!!! THIS IS ABOUT SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY!!!! BACK ON TOPIC!!

This is on topic, for if we can determine when He was crucified, we can also determine about when He rose.

Ok, lets at least try this from a different Scriptural angle. We know from the Bible that Jesus rode into town of Bethany six days before the Passover sabbath. (high sabbath) So if we use Friday as His day of crucifixion, that means that He rode into town on the sabbath. <gasp> That alone sould tell us that the sabbath in question couldn't be on a Friday.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

I'll end it now with this...

1 Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.

It is by no mere coincidence that the Passover was a enactment of things to come.

Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening...

...Exo 12:10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

(one more time...)
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
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The bottom line is...it really doesn't matter when He died and was resurrected. What matters most is that HE DID! But it all makes for some interesting research and enhances our studies. (at least it does for me) :angel:

 

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Simple. Wed. sunset to Thurs. sunset...one day. Thurs. sunset to Fri. sunset...one day. Fri. sunset to Sat. sunset...one day. Add them up...three days and three nights. I'd still like to know, how does one get three days and three nights out of Friday to Sunday? (before sunrise, no less) In the literal sense please, because I believe Jesus was speaking literally.
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Well Vic, there in lies your problem. You say things such as the above and it seems that you have not read the post on the subject! You say: "I still would like to know, how does one get three day and three nights ...''Regardless if you are 'dead set against Adventism's E.G.W's or not, (as it seems!?) you might of at least of read the commentary's post that I posted, un/prejudiced? It answered your question quite well, even as did a few other's posting I thought? And remember, as you see it, it truly is not only a New Thing, but was never accepted as such by the reformers, period! See again Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15.

Now you are having a [personal] conversation with me, and about me sounding like the Rev. 17:5 Whore & Her Daughters?? Then you close with something like it really does not matter on this subject??? If you are not talking in riddles? Then if this subject is that un/inportant to you, how then does my belief in this 3 day thing make me like Rev. 17:5??

---Elijah

 

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All we know is that the women appeared maybe by sunrise. That is a 12 hours timespan at best. (Seventh day sunset to first day sunrise)

Perhaps you misunderstood my question. If the women went to rest because the sabbath was drawing nigh, how do you explain the two day gap from when Christ was taken down and buried on Wednesday? How is that? Either Christ died and was buried on Wednesday or he hung on the cross until Friday sundown when the Jews took Him down because of the Sabbath. Please explain.

This is on topic, for if we can determine when He was crucified, we can also determine about when He rose.

No its not, because when Christ rose has nothing to do on whether or not the day is to be considered holy. Christ rising on Saturday doesn't make it the Sabbath anymore than Him rising on Sunday makes it a new "Lord's Day" or worship.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

So if Christ was crucified on the Wednesday, how could he still be on the cross on Friday? Or are you saying that the 'sabbath' in question wasn't the seventh day sabbath but just a 'holy day sabbath'? Isn't that fairly speculative when the next thought is the women going to "rest on the Sabbath according to the commandment", thus speaking of Friday night?

How do you jump from a holy Wednesday Sabbath to the seventh day sabbath? Again, I ask, where did the two days in the middle go to?