Wicked thoughts don't make a wicked person

[evenifigoalone]

I most certainly did not say that if you dwell on a bad thought too long that you will become violent. Go reread what I wrote.

Have you noticed your television recently and the videos on the web, more specifically the commercials? It all about medical now. Oh you need this pill, you are sick you are sick. They are trying to program everyone into believing that they they are sick and that we need them, their pills and shots and advice. It seems sorta like they've taken over the TV. This is programming.

Now I am not knocking medical efficiencies or saying that anyones medical conditions are not real. And the hospitals save a lot of lives. And Even the Lord has given to them cures and medical breakthroughs to treat the people who do not believe or turn to Him! His compassion for us knows no ends. BUT! Like everything else in this world, there is good and there is bad. We know from scripture and experience that Deception is the enemy's primary weapon against us. Eve, was tricked, deceived. Lied to. So it's in the medical field too. You have to be discerning about how far you let them go with you and how much lies you may be hearing. It is big money and do you think that they wont lie to you to keep you coming back for more visits just for the business?

Auto mechanics do it too. Loose power steering belt making noise. You need a new power steering pump. Tighten the belt, send you on your way with a fat little bill first. Oh, we also noticed that your tranny fluid needs flushed and your flux capacitor is on its last leg. Do you know what could happen to you if your flux capacitor goes completely out when you're alone on country highway at night?! Fear. You bet the medical field does the same thing! Don't believe me? All you have to do is listen closely to all their commercials.

Personally, I do not like Tom Cruise. I think he is a weirdo. all that scientology crap and so forth, but, I do agree with him on one thing he said. I also believe that Psychiatry IS a lie. And there really is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in anyone's brain. That's nothing to you. that's me, ok? So please do not try to attach this to yourself as a slight in any way. Because that would be wrong. I'm just saying, don't believe everything that they say.

Besides, your tag says Christian. Ok. I believe you. And praise the Lord! His harvest will be bigger with you! That said, Sister in Christ? Where is your expression of faith or trust in your Lord?
You have expressed faith in secular wisdom, even to rejecting the words of the Lord of people have spoken here. Some too you and some not even to you. I find this curious, Sister. Do you believe that the Lord could lift these afflictions off of you? Or is he not capable?

I am not totally ignorant about Psychiatry. I have the DSM III and the DSM IV. I've read them too much. Those books were written by evil genius. So that anyone can see themselves on many pages. It could make you think that you have problems. I stopped reading them. Want one? No. I wouldn't do that to you Sister. I would give you a Bible or concordance though, lol!

Have some faith in God, Sister. You are not worthless. That is the biggest bunch of crap and lies that I have ever heard! Don't you believe it!. You are much more than you even comprehend. You just have trouble believing it. So the Lord is highly limited to what He can do in your life.

Riddle me this.

Mark 6:4
4 But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.” 5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching.../(NKJV)

Every man is given the measure of faith, so it wasn't a faith problem. It was because of their unbelief. We all have it. Lord, Help my unbelief. Ask for help. Or, do you not believe any of God's word?

I know that you do have real problems Sister. But with all due respect, you are very wrong about some of the things that you are believing. I will certainly be praying for you.

No, it's easy to see yourself in many mental health issues because most of them involve stuff everyone experiences. This is not by design, it's simply how it is. It becomes a disorder when it's severe, chronic, persistent, and affects your ability to function in at least one major area. Not everyone has OCD, but most everyone has intrusive thoughts. Not everyone has social anxiety, but most everyone gets a little nervous when talking to new people: this doesn't mean they have an anxiety disorder. Anxiety is much more severe than that.

As for me, you don't know Jack about my life. OCD and anxiety have been caused me clinical levels of distress, and they have affected my ability to both work and relax. In my case they are disorders. You do not get to decide otherwise.
I can go into more detail of the level of distress my anxiety disorders have caused me, if you really need me to.

You are very wrong.

 

[humble soul]

This is just me wandering off on my own tangent. So please ignore .....
Do you ever wonder what makes a person choose to do evil rather than good?
Some of you may say..."well they've allowed Satan to persuade them ." Or just listening to their bad angel instead of their good one.
I am more interested in the process. Like sloe motion. Example...
You have decided to really blast a family member. Tell them "why they are a loser" or "why they don't have any friends". (Not that I use that language myself but I have been on the receiving end.)
So in this case, you are in a rage. So your emotional state is a problem. Maybe emotions are controlling you and have been for a while.
So it might have become a bad habit. You have learnt to have knee jerk reactions to things you don't like.
The family member triggered something in you. A transference? So the real source could be someone else.
You are feeling low recently. Low self esteem. Low confidence.

 

[Edward]

The bible actually teaches us to not live secular lives.

That's right, Brother. ...come out of her my people..!! We have to live in this world, but we are not of the world. Problems arise when most people believe what they can see. And God is behind the veil, unseen. That is not an easy thing to overcome. That's huge. So it takes a specific concentrated effort to do it. It is actually, an act of faith in as much as we must begin sight unseen and take a risk of some manner which is a literal leap of faith to overcome the unbelief of not seeing yet trusting in Him. Then the Lord responds to us.
One time the Lord answered a prayer of mine...that I did not pray. I needed money. I ran out of coffee and had the thought to pray for some work or money, but I remembered the scripture that says, don't worry about what you will eat or what you will wear. Your Father knows your needs before you even ask. Don't worry about it...So I didn't pray and ask. I just believed Him. (and that was an act of faith). And the Lord was all over that! I had two pounds of gourmet coffee beans delivered to my door within about 30 minutes, I kid you not. I knew this friend was coming over, but I had not told him that I was out of coffee. He just somehow got the urge to bring me some! That was the Lord!

I know it says, ask and ye shall receive, but it also tells usto not worry about some things. And doing that (not praying), If Daddy says don't worry about that, we can believe Him. And I didn't want to seem like a brat, I want this I want that. When He already told us, no sweat on the provisions. So even if the Lord has done much bigger thigs for me by answerng prayers and blessing me, I think this coffee delivered to my door, right when it was time to make another pot...was the coolest thing that He's ever done for me.

So it isn't a faith problem. It is unbelief. How to make unbelief into belief, you must act upon it as if you believe it will really happen. Expect it to. I stood on His Word, and boom, I'm drinking gourmet coffee. It was right on time! The Lord has shown a pattern with me over time. Last minute never never late.

 

[Edward]

I can go into more detail of the level of distress my anxiety disorders have caused me, if you really need me to.

No, I'd rather that you told us anything, even the least little thing about your Lord and your faith in Him. I don't want to hear your problems. You are a Sister in Christ I think. That's what it says. Tell me about your Lord! Please! Anything. Who is this Lord of yours?

 

[evenifigoalone]

No, I'd rather that you told us anything, even the least little thing about your Lord and your faith in Him. I don't want to hear your problems. You are a Sister in Christ I think. That's what it says. Tell me about your Lord! Please! Anything. Who is this Lord of yours?

Are you questioning my faith? Seriously? That's low.
My experience with mental illness is actually a big part of my testimony

 

[humble soul]

We have to live in this world, but we are not of the world

Probably my fave Bible quote. Jesus says his kingdom is not of this world.
But how do we do it? Can we do it? Life can be full of moral dilemmas. If I had a child and the child was gay, would I tell him "homosexuality is an abomination" ? I wouldn't. Because I would choose a commonsense approach to the Bible instead of a literal one. The Bible is not always helpful for real life situations.

 

[Serving Zion]

There is one on the Diagnostic Mental Health Disorder List. It's called FTFRTBTMPD.
Fundamentalist Thinking From Reading The Bible Too Much Personality Disorder.

Could you provide a link to that? I would like to analyse it. Thank you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Everyone needs to step back and take a breather as tempers are flaring and misunderstandings being made.

When topics like this are presented in the forums there will always be the secular view and the Biblical view and both needs to be understood in how they are presented. There are none of us that are perfect and without certain carnal thoughts that randomly come to our mind as we know the flesh wars against the spirit, but thoughts are not actions until they are acted upon, which is where sin enters, and thoughts will not cause anyone to lose their salvation.

It's only those things that come out of our mouth that defiles the man as they speak evil from the heart, Matthew 15:18

Take a look at what Paul has said on this subject as he was a man under many torments that plagued him at times.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Edward]

As for me, you don't know Jack about my life. OCD and anxiety have been caused me clinical levels of distress, and they have affected my ability to both work and relax. In my case they are disorders. You do not get to decide otherwise.
I can go into more detail of the level of distress my anxiety disorders have caused me, if you really need me to.

You are very wrong.

I'm sorry, Sister but this makes it sound like you you don't believe God's words at all. You have the power of life and death in your tongue, scripture says so. So I can't understand why you continually speak curses over your life.

And so, I believe you, woe is evenifigoalone. Lord, help her unbelief. I will pray for you, Sister, since you wont. I pray for you to receive wisdom and understanding and that the Lord bless you and ease your afflictions which are upon you. And I still refuse to believe that you are worthless. Put that in your jar.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I'm sorry, Sister but this makes it sound like you you don't believe God's words at all. You have the power of life and death in your tongue, scripture says so. So I can't understand why you continually speak curses over your life.

And so, I believe you, woe is evenifigoalone. Lord, help her unbelief. I will pray for you, Sister, since you wont. I pray for you to receive wisdom and understanding and that the Lord bless you and ease your afflictions which are upon you. And I still refuse to believe that you are worthless. Put that in your jar.

You are not in any position to make judgement calls on my life.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Could you provide a link to that? I would like to analyse it. Thank you.

It doesn't exist. He was being facetious.

 

[humble soul]

It's so easy for Bible Christians especially, to sound high and mighty. Even when they think they are being sensitive. When they "know" they have scriptural authority, it gives them a false sense of security. In my opinion of course.

 

[humble soul]

It doesn't exist. He was being facetious.

I think he knew that. So he was calling my bluff.

 

[Edward]

Everyone needs to step back and take a breather as tempers are flaring and misunderstandings being made.

When topics like this are presented in the forums there will always be the secular view and the Biblical view and both needs to be understood in how they are presented. There are none of us that are perfect and without certain carnal thoughts that randomly come to our mind as we know the flesh wars against the spirit, but thoughts are not actions until they are acted upon, which is where sin enters, and thoughts will not cause anyone to lose their salvation.

It's only those things that come out of our mouth that defiles the man as they speak evil from the heart, Matthew 15:18

Take a look at what Paul has said on this subject as he was a man under many torments that plagued him at times.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I'm sorry. I'm not meaning to irritate the young lady. I am trying to walk in Love towards my neighbor. And it may be so that I don't know jack about her life inasmuch as her problems and what she has to face, however, I do understand the good in her life because it is the Lord, it is the Lord. and it would seem that she isn't realizing how precious that she really is to the Lord. I do. I really do and I am certainly not wrong about that.

Let me know if I go too far. But to me, she's not that bad. Only because our Lord, really is bigger than anything on earth. He has overcome the world. That's no contextual error there either, lol! I expect that she'll grow out of her unbelieving opinions over time. I did. And she's free to reject my words, but she wont be able to stop my prayers for her! She;ll be fine. God is good. His grace IS sufficient for us. I believe it.

I'll be good.

 

[humble soul]

"I will pray for you". ...is one of their fave lines. But of course they are being sincere in most cases. Thing is they don't realise how patronising it sounds. I try not to use it myself.

 

[Serving Zion]

I think he knew that. So he was calling my bluff.

Will you confirm then that you cannot give an example of where reading the bible too much is the cause of a problem? It must be that you yourself do not like the fact that some people read the bible a lot.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Believing mental illness and intrusive thoughts exist has nothing to do with my faith or my belief. Or should I "just believe" and my diabetes will disappear too?

 

[humble soul]

Will you confirm then that you cannot give an example of where reading the bible too much is the cause of a problem? It must be that you yourself do not like the fact that some people read the bible a lot.

Could you give an example?

 

[humble soul]

My brother is an example of someone who had fundamentalist thinking before he became a born again Christian. Looks like he has found his niche.

 

[dashboardchic19]

But it is debatable.
I mean if you wish I come to an early end, that is kind of wicked if you are really serious.
Goodwill is clearly important. We can at least try to wish goodwill on our enemies, even we don't feel like it.
But I think the main argument for the other side is, as long as we don't turn wicked thoughts into wicked actions. For anyone who suffers religious scrupulosity,it can be a real torment. Punishing yourself for having wicked thoughts is not healthy. At least we can admit to ourselves "I felt like punching that guy's lights out". Admit it. Own it. But as long as you don't act on it. We all have angry thoughts. I guess if we have too many, we need some counselling.
This is where ruthless honesty is important. Maybe some are afraid to admit to themselves, they have bad thoughts. Isn't that like lying to yourself? Being a good Christian doesn't mean erasing all bad thoughts. It might mean praying for good ones though. Healthier ones. Life affirming ones. Does Jesus really want us to be totally sinless in this life? I don't think so. I suspect he values humility and good attitude more.

I definitely don’t think wicked thoughts make a person wicked as long as you don’t act upon those thoughts. I have not so great thoughts when angry are sad. I think it’s part of being a human being.