Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[hawkman]

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[reddogs]

Greetings reddogs,

After the events of Ezekiel 38 and 39 the Third Temple will be built Ezekiel chapters 40-48 and Isaiah 2:1-4. Jesus will sit upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem and reign on the earth as King / Priest for the 1000 years over the converted significant remnant of natural Israel and the nations subjected and learning the ways of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

Out of sequence, need to look at the timeline in Revelation.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The site where the Temple stood, is dominated by two structures which keep Jews from any chance to build or restore, which are the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, near the center of the temple mount, which is seem as one of the holiest Islamic structure in the world.

The temple mount is the place where the past Jewish temples stood, which makes it among the holiest sites in Judaism to say nothing of how Christians look at it. The First Temple was built by Solomon, the son of David, in 957 BC, and was destroyed by the Babylonian Empire, in 587 BCE. The Second Temple was constructed under of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE, was renovated by King Herod, and this is the temple that was standing when Christ came. The second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus. Now today, we have many evangelicals and many orthodox Jews want to reestablish the temple and even the sacrificial system. Many Christians hold that the Jewish temple will be rebuilt before Christ comes, and have set up Christian ministries to assist in the building of the temple to hasten the return of Jesus. For many of them, they think such an event will signal the start of the final events of earth’s history, but they are confused on the subject of the temple. They claim certain text as proof such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4..
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

They misinterpret who the man of sin is, and think it is a future antichrist, when the apostate church has already revealed itself and persecuted the faithful and burned them at the stake and tried to wipe them out, which history shows us clearly is here in the Papacy.

Now, the Jews took heart when Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016 in the United States because he had promised to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, and began to implement that and now is running again. And we have Orthodox Jewish "tradition" that claims it is here, in the city of Jerusalem that the third and final Temple will be built when they say the 'messiah comes'. But if Christ came and they did not recognized him, then what 'messiah' are they waiting for.

The Jews in Israel already have what they want.A government of their choice who's country is located where they want.In revelation it is referd to as a beast .It has received a deadly wound in 70 ad but has since been restored.They have followed after the beast from all nations ,tongues and peoples to be with it in it's kingdom.Most will be cast out on the day of the Lord,but select few who do not worship that beast will be persecuted for their testimony of Christ.These will reign with Christ in the Lord's land .
Below is a verse about the beast which most Israelis worship.

26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.


Most Israelis have no interest in building another temple.But the remnant who worship God in Christ are the temple and they worship God who dwells in them.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again reddogs,

Out of sequence, need to look at the timeline in Revelation.

I suggest that SDAs ignore most of the detail of OT prophecies as they follow William's Miller's concepts of burning the earth at the return of Jesus and having the earth desolate for the 1000 years.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[for_his_glory]

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

 

[reddogs]

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

The truth is hard for people to grasp, but it is becoming clearer through the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Consecrated Life]

For me it is clear in His prophetic Word that God is not finished with His peculiar people, the Jews.
Being that God's prophetic Word declares that one day the entire world will seek to destroy the Jews and Jerusalem.
( not as though there is any evidence of widespread hate for Israel apparent today),
As well as His Word saying that in conjunction all of unbelieving Jerusalem specifically will be confronted with Him, "WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED"
With all that going on it would be more likely than not that there will be a Temple standing at this future date when all of Jerusalem looks upon He "WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED" .
No more appropriate venue for this future day of undeniable reality visiting all of Israel.



Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Zec 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

 

[JT4444]

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

The first three verses you cite do not support the conclusion that there never will be another temple. I didn't check all of your citations, but I know of no Scripture that explicitly says there will never be another temple.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I'll sidestep the issue of whether a third Temple is theologically sound or not and just say, right or wrong, the Jews intend to build it. There is a growing opinion that the Dome of the Spirits is the actual place where the Holy of Holies resided as it aligns with one of the gates and is the only site that properly aligns. It is also the only spot flat and circular as a former threshing floor. This location would allow the Temple and the Dome of the Rock to stand side by side. This may be how they intend to construct it ....valid or not.

 

[JLB]

The site where the Temple stood, is dominated by two structures which keep Jews from any chance to build or restore, which are the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, near the center of the temple mount, which is seem as one of the holiest Islamic structure in the world.

The temple mount is the place where the past Jewish temples stood, which makes it among the holiest sites in Judaism to say nothing of how Christians look at it. The First Temple was built by Solomon, the son of David, in 957 BC, and was destroyed by the Babylonian Empire, in 587 BCE. The Second Temple was constructed under of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE, was renovated by King Herod, and this is the temple that was standing when Christ came. The second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus. Now today, we have many evangelicals and many orthodox Jews want to reestablish the temple and even the sacrificial system. Many Christians hold that the Jewish temple will be rebuilt before Christ comes, and have set up Christian ministries to assist in the building of the temple to hasten the return of Jesus. For many of them, they think such an event will signal the start of the final events of earth’s history, but they are confused on the subject of the temple. They claim certain text as proof such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4..
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

They misinterpret who the man of sin is, and think it is a future antichrist, when the apostate church has already revealed itself and persecuted the faithful and burned them at the stake and tried to wipe them out, which history shows us clearly is here in the Papacy.

Now, the Jews took heart when Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016 in the United States because he had promised to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, and began to implement that and now is running again. And we have Orthodox Jewish "tradition" that claims it is here, in the city of Jerusalem that the third and final Temple will be built when they say the 'messiah comes'. But if Christ came and they did not recognized him, then what 'messiah' are they waiting for.

Yes, the Jews will build the Third Temple.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings JLB,

Yes, the Jews will build the Third Temple.

Jesus will build the Third Temple when he returns to sit upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years. The mortal Jews will contribute to this construction, as will some Gentiles, similar to the First Temple under Solomon.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[for_his_glory]

The first three verses you cite do not support the conclusion that there never will be another temple. I didn't check all of your citations, but I know of no Scripture that explicitly says there will never be another temple.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no scripture that says a third Temple will be built on the original Temple Mount in Jerusalem. What would be the need of a third Temple as God is not going to dwell in it as we are now the Temple of God. Not only that, but what would be the purpose of anymore daily sacrifices. Was it not Jesus who was made to be the final sacrifice for everyone to all who will believe in Him!

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

 

[JT4444]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no scripture that says a third Temple will be built on the original Temple Mount in Jerusalem. What would be the need of a third Temple as God is not going to dwell in it as we are now the Temple of God. Not only that, but what would be the purpose of anymore daily sacrifices. Was it not Jesus who was made to be the final sacrifice for everyone to all who will believe in Him!

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I agree that there is no need for a third temple, but that doesn't mean the Jews believe the same thing. Many are already at work preparing for that temple.

Some of us believe that the 70th week of Daniel will be at the end of the time of the Gentiles. The son of perdition, who comes from a power that emerges sometime after the Roman Empire, puts an end to sacrifice in the temple.

From the Got Questions? website:

Regardless of whether the abomination of desolation is a person or a thing, Daniel predicted the following:

1. A future ruler will make a treaty with the people of Israel.
2. The terms of this treaty will be for a “week”—which we take to be a period of seven years.
3. Midway through this time, the ruler will gather his troops and put an end to the sacrifices and offerings in the temple.
4. At that time the ruler will desecrate the temple, setting up some type of sacrilegious object.
5. The desecration of the temple will continue until the judgment of God is finally meted out on the ruler and his followers, 1,290 days (3½ years and 1 month) later.

I've already debated this interpretation of End Times prophecy several times, and I'm not interested in doing it again.

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree that there is no need for a third temple, but that doesn't mean the Jews believe the same thing. Many are already at work preparing for that temple.

Some of us believe that the 70th week of Daniel will be at the end of the time of the Gentiles. The son of perdition, who comes from a power that emerges sometime after the Roman Empire, puts an end to sacrifice in the temple.

From the Got Questions? website:

Regardless of whether the abomination of desolation is a person or a thing, Daniel predicted the following:

1. A future ruler will make a treaty with the people of Israel.
2. The terms of this treaty will be for a “week”—which we take to be a period of seven years.
3. Midway through this time, the ruler will gather his troops and put an end to the sacrifices and offerings in the temple.
4. At that time the ruler will desecrate the temple, setting up some type of sacrilegious object.
5. The desecration of the temple will continue until the judgment of God is finally meted out on the ruler and his followers, 1,290 days (3½ years and 1 month) later.

I've already debated this interpretation of End Times prophecy several times, and I'm not interested in doing it again.

It truly doesn't matter whether the Jews build a third Temple as I see it money being wasted that could help the poor as God will never honor a third Temple made with hands and will definitely will not bring back or honor any blood sacrifices.

 

[JT4444]

It truly doesn't matter whether the Jews build a third Temple as I see it money being wasted that could help the poor as God will never honor a third Temple made with hands and will definitely will not bring back or honor any blood sacrifices.

I agree. It's only interesting as a part of end times prophecy. Not everyone agrees with my interpretation though.

 

[Muckah]

The Dome of the Rock Complex will fulfill prophecy. No other temple structure is required.

 

[reddogs]

For me it is clear in His prophetic Word that God is not finished with His peculiar people, the Jews.
Being that God's prophetic Word declares that one day the entire world will seek to destroy the Jews and Jerusalem.
( not as though there is any evidence of widespread hate for Israel apparent today),
As well as His Word saying that in conjunction all of unbelieving Jerusalem specifically will be confronted with Him, "WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED"
With all that going on it would be more likely than not that there will be a Temple standing at this future date when all of Jerusalem looks upon He "WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED" .
No more appropriate venue for this future day of undeniable reality visiting all of Israel.



Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Zec 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Need to understand what the words of Christ meant...
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Need to understand what the words of Christ meant...
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The Jew is just as eligible today to come to Christ or reject Christ as any other unbeliever

What you need to understand is that Zec 12:9 & Zec 12:10 says that is exactly what is going to happen in that day.
When God confronts the Jews face to face there will be some that will come to Christ and as unbelievable as it sounds there will be some who are actually looking at the Risen Lord who will still reject Him then.
Just like there are many non-Jews who will look upon Him face to face one day and even then will still reject Him.
There is only one Kingdom now and "Whomsoever" wants to come to Him is Eligible.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Before I get to the issue of the third temple some scripture:

Isaiah and Amos lived around the same time. In Amos 7:8 we have “…Then the Lord said: Behold, I am setting a plumb line in the midst of my people Israel; I will never again pass by them;”. In Isaiah 28:17-18 “And I will make justice the line and righteousness the plumb line…Then your covenant with death will be annulled and your agreement with Sheol will not stand.”

Plumb line is also in Zechariah 4:6,10 “Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit…and shall see the plumb line in the hands of Zerubbabel.”

There shall be a third temple, but it’s a spiritual one and it shall be fully completed by the time of the two witnesses. Read Revelation 11:1-2 for further details. And I need not tell you about spiritual stones and what they are. Obviously, the outer court shall be left over to Gentiles to trample as they wish. For further details refer to my commentary on the Book of Revelation.

 

[Consecrated Life]

There shall be a third temple, but it’s a spiritual one ....

How can the false Messiah the Jews will accept to rule in the tradition of the Jews be able to do that with no Temple ?
His ability to make peace with all the enemies surrounding Israel & allow a Temple to be built will be a large part of what causes Him to be accepted as their long awaited Messiah.

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.