Women In combat

[Lewis]

I Lewis' am against this because, in war if these women are caught by the enemy' they will be raped or gang raped to death and who knows what else. I think that war should be left up to the men' well combat engagement should be. And please don't bring up Deborah of the Bible.

Pentagon says women in all combat units by 2016

Washington The Pentagon unveiled plans Tuesday for fully integrating women into front-line and special combat roles, including elite forces such as Army Rangers and Navy SEALs.
While Air Force, Army, Navy, Marine and special forces commanders detailed steps they will take, not all shared the same comfort level with the initiative, raising potential real-world scenarios that must be addressed before moving too far forward.
There was concern for how women might handle some of the more taxing physical demands of combat across the board and for how men might view the presence of female troops in tight-knit elite units.
Women are permitted to serve in some hazardous jobs and did so in Iraq and Afghanistan where a number were killed. But it wasn't until January that then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta formally lifted the official ban on women in combat.
Top leadership embraced the overall concept and goal of completing the change by January 2016, but gave service commanders some room to fill in the details.
"The department remains committed to removing all gender barriers wherever possible and meeting our missions with the best qualified and most capable personnel," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in a May 21 memo to individual service leaders that was released on Tuesday.
Obama: Assaults threaten military trust
"I remain confident that we will retain the trust and confidence of the American people by opening positions to women, while ensuring that all members entering these newly opened positions can meet the standards required to maintain our warfighting capability," Hagel said.
More than 200,000 women are in the active-duty military, representing about 14.5% of the overall force, according to Pentagon figures. Most serve in the Army.
Despite the past official ban on combat, some women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan found themselves in firefights. They have been part of gun crews, air crews and in seamanship specialties.
Officially assimilating women into the most grueling elements of the armed forces comes as the Defense Department wrestles with new concerns about sexual assault in the military, with statistics showing an increase in those reports.
It also comes as the U.S. military adjusts its mission and force to a post-war era for the first time in 12 years as it winds down combat operations in Afghanistan and confronts severe budget cuts.
Military leaders released individual plans for the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and special forces on Tuesday, and said they would spend the next year or so evaluating how they should be carried out.
The service branches will collect and analyze information on the impact of introducing potentially hundreds of thousands of new positions into the armed forces.
They also will validate standards and agreed that it was premature to forecast how things might play out and whether women would ultimately be admitted to all combat roles.
Services will evaluate cultural issues and physical demands associated with fully integrating forces and, in some cases, assessing the views of men who comprise the Rangers, SEALs and Army Green Beret units.
Moms, daughters think about rape before enlisting
"I want to let it work. I think we owe it to everybody," said Army Maj. Gen. Bennet Sacolick, the director of force management and development for the U.S. Special Operations Command.
Sacolick said he wanted to be "an honest broker" and raised more overall caution than the other officers.
"I just want to see what happens," he said.
Areas to be examined range from psychological or behavioral problems that could arise in small elite groups deployed in remote locations to performance-based tasks like repetitive lifting of a 55-pound tank round that is required by a Marine infantry unit.
The Pentagon said the extended window is necessary for a thorough job and said it would proceed in a "measured and responsible" manner. In many cases Congress would be notified.
"There is an understanding that doing this right takes a period of time," said Juliet Beyler, who directs the officer and enlisted personnel management.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/18/politics/women-combat/index.html

 

[reba]

I Lewis' am against this because, in war if these women are caught by the
enemy' they will be raped or gang raped to death and who knows what else. I
think that war should be left up to the men' well combat engagement should be.

Agreed

 

[jasoncran]

Lewis, you needn't worry that enemy will rape women, we do a fine job of that in America and anywhere females are. I am that serious. the government has told us that rape is in acceptable risk for men and women in a lawsuit. 20000 rapes a year!

 

[Mountain Man]

No need for worry,the women who choose to go into combat and like it will stay and those who don't will simply opt out,get pregnant or break down and cry...other wise known as the tactic of tears...men of course don't have the luxury of choice and must fulfill their duties or else....it's all about "equality"

 

[Nick]

If a woman can do it as well as a man can, then why not? I assume there's some kind of physical test that men go through, so if a woman can pass that 'test', then I don't see why not.

The issue of rape/torture comes up. How many men have been raped and tortured in PoW camps? Men (and women) give up a lot and understand there are great risks involved in serving their country by being in the military.

 

[Lewis]

Women in combat our going to run into all kinds of problems, like I said rape' caught and used as sex slaves, pregnancy' emotional breakdown and many' many other problems like a distraction for men who have not seen their wives or girlfriends in a year. And let's face it God did not create or build women for war, except for a special assignment like Deborah in the Bible. Note' I said special assignment. Women have no business on the battlefield. Women on the battlefield is secular thinking at it's highest. And it is also some garbage that the Democrats are pushing.

 

[Mountain Man]

The issue of rape/torture comes up. How many men have been raped and tortured in PoW camps? Men (and women) give up a lot and understand there are great risks involved in serving their country by being in the military.

Women are superior to men,any suffering they endure is more of an outrage and tragedy than when a man suffers,i remember the last woman that was executed for murder...one would have thought she was the first human to die in all of history,over and over again the term "executing a woman" was used as if the words carried a special weight of tragedy and outrage compared to executing a man...men are expendable and always have been.The fact is chivalry and testosterone is the feminist best friend despite their protest,it is what steps in and protects them from any negative consequences of their feminism....its all moot anyway because any woman who does not wish to go into combat will not be forced to do so or suffer any consequences for not doing so.

 

[Lewis]

Mountain Man' women are not superior to men when it comes to fighting other men in combat.

 

[Mountain Man]

Mountain Man' women are not superior to men when it comes to fighting other men in combat.

And not all men are equal when it comes to fighting other men...can they opt out without consequence ? I am coming from the perspective of "equality" which has been defined as women being able to do anything a man can do...let's stretch the definition a bit to include something that has actual service, risk and danger involved instead of getting that CEO job or being appointed president or director of this or that or having legislation passed in your favor.

 

[Lewis]

Mountain Man' women are not superior to men when it comes to fighting other men in combat.

And not all men are equal when it comes to fighting other men...can they opt out without consequence ? I am coming from the perspective of "equality" which has been defined as women being able to do anything a man can do...let's stretch the definition a bit to include something that has actual service, risk and danger involved instead of getting that CEO job or being appointed president or director of this or that or having legislation passed in your favor.

Women can't do everything that a man can do. That kind of thinking came along in the early 70's burn your bra Helen Reddy era. Yes we should have equality but in hand to hand combat women will be killed and in large numbers. God did not design them for it.

 

[jasoncran]

Women in combat our going to run into all kinds of problems, like I said rape' caught and used as sex slaves, pregnancy' emotional breakdown and many' many other problems like a distraction for men who have not seen their wives or girlfriends in a year. And let's face it God did not create or build women for war, except for a special assignment like Deborah in the Bible. Note' I said special assignment. Women have no business on the battlefield. Women on the battlefield is secular thinking at it's highest. And it is also some garbage that the Democrats are pushing.

so women by that nature shouldn't be cops? what about martial arts? shoot the very art bruce lee started was NOT invented by a man but a WOMAN! don't underestimate women. yes I understand the thoughts but we have to be cautious here. I don't think they should be in line units but, well if we have them in the air force and navy and marines and army as supports. prey tell with the history of assymetrical wars since ww2. yes that war also ha, d no defines areas of combat. if you doubt read it. like Vietnam,korea had that aspect.

 

[reba]

generally speaking.....He aint any better then she she ain't any better then he... we are just different.... and both sides should be thankful for the differences .. I would n't want a world with out you guys I hope you would nt want a world with us... :devil :angel

 

[handy]

I don't think most women could handle fighting off most men in hand to hand combat, but some women can fight off most men.

For me, the question isn't should women be allowed in combat... It's whether, as a Christian woman, does God call me to be a part of active military service? For me, the answer is no. Not because, if in proper shape and properly trained I couldn't do it... but rather it simply doesn't gel with what I believe God is calling me to do as a wife and mother.

 

[farouk]

Another aspect is, are all male soldiers psychologically capable of carrying on in a battle hardened, professional manner if they witness significant casualties among their female co-soldiers, or female military enemies? Many would be; some would not; but then this scenario has not been faced yet on a large scale.

Remember the psychology of Colonel Khaddafi: he chose female bodyguards because he knew Arab culture, by which many men would hesitate to harm a woman physically even if they wished to harm him.

 

[Matthew G]

shoot the very art bruce lee started was NOT invented by a man but a WOMAN!

Very true. Forgive me for nerding myself but long-story-short 5 of the greatest kung fu masters of the day gathered at the Shaolin Temple because they wanted to form a martial art you could master in a handful of years rather than a handful of decades. The Temple was sacked during this time, and the only one of the masters to survive was a woman. She took what they had formed of the art with her and named it after her first student - also a woman - Wing Chun.

I still don't know how I feel about this "women in combat" deal. On the one hand, absolutely there are women out there who could take out most men with barely a thought. But I admit my chivalry kicks in and I think it's ridiculous to put them in harm's way like that. And then there are the psychological issues from both sexes which have already been mentioned.

Either way you slice it, this is a complicated issue.

 

[Northman]

Another garbage policy where the authorities that be think a pen-stroke can rewrite nature. Seems that what we learn by the time we get to high school about the practical differences in genders(by experience, not taught) is forgotten. God help us when a genuine conflict arises again.

Handy has it in a nutshell though, thats all one can do as an individual.

 

[Matthew G]

Another garbage policy where the authorities that be think a pen-stroke can rewrite nature.

Could you expand a bit on exactly what you mean by that? I may be wrong, but I took that as perhaps a statement along the lines of women not being "tough enough" or whatever machismo term you want to throw in. Women are created to endure incredible levels of pain and stress. Period.

Anyone who doesn't think so has obviously never been a witness to childbirth. And don't give me that "we have drugs now" stuff. Women birthed children for thousands of years without them, and with our 3rd child my wife went natural. If there is an experience more simultaneously physically and mentally painful and psychologically stressful - then I confess complete ignorance as to what it may be.

 

[Northman]

Another garbage policy where the authorities that be think a pen-stroke can rewrite nature.

Could you expand a bit on exactly what you mean by that? I may be wrong, but I took that as perhaps a statement along the lines of women not being "tough enough" or whatever machismo term you want to throw in. Women are created to endure incredible levels of pain and stress. Period.

Anyone who doesn't think so has obviously never been a witness to childbirth. And don't give me that "we have drugs now" stuff. Women birthed children for thousands of years without them, and with our 3rd child my wife went natural. If there is an experience more simultaneously physically and mentally painful and psychologically stressful - then I confess complete ignorance as to what it may be.

Sorry if that was unclear, i meant it in the most basic evident truth that the eye can see.

My main problems are the lies. First lie being exactly what jason was talking about, the idea that war has somehow changed and it hasnt. I do inderstand and realize that every so called "conflict" since 45 hasnt been a conflict at all but rather other things in which ill leave the naming of it to you. People are tuned to the idea that almost every military action will be handled by a well thought out plan and conducted by the very best team against a technologically inferior enemy to ensure success. This almost always happens with few hiccups.

The second lie is that through media and other outlets that have been shoved down peoples throats is the idea that somehow along the line, men and women are equal in strength(which is most of what i was talking about). Ive been in labour almost my whole(sawmills/mines/farms) and its very evident this is false. The first mill i got a job at out of school had the same equipment as when my grandpa got a job there when he first moved out west after the war, and the equipment was old even then. I saw many women come amd go in such an environment and sadly one that even wrecked herself for life cause she wanted to keep up with the boys.

You can call that macho or chauvanist if you want to but they are just observations. When real war comes, you are fighting for your life. With that in mind i think of the old war reels i used to watch where those guys would just pump in shell after shell in those guns and wonder how long a woman could keep up with a male counterpart. Another thing that pops in my mind is the ending of private ryan when uppum is curled up on the steps and doesnt go to help his friend. In a fight and test of physical strength like that is someone really going to say "well if you use this technique"....its garbage.

All that being said, im a bit old world and i do have a wife and have witnessed child birth but those two lots in life are not even equatable. I would kill and die for her cause shes that important and in many ways is "stronger" than i am. But to entertain the idea in a physical capacity is just loony.

Now granted what some say here is true, you CAN find the exception to the rule if you look
hard enough, but its not substantial enough for a policy like that.

Sorry, edited lots cause of the stupid phone. If something looks like it was said squirrely, blame the phone! Hehe

 

[Matthew G]

Another garbage policy where the authorities that be think a pen-stroke can rewrite nature.

Could you expand a bit on exactly what you mean by that? I may be wrong, but I took that as perhaps a statement along the lines of women not being "tough enough" or whatever machismo term you want to throw in. Women are created to endure incredible levels of pain and stress. Period.

Anyone who doesn't think so has obviously never been a witness to childbirth. And don't give me that "we have drugs now" stuff. Women birthed children for thousands of years without them, and with our 3rd child my wife went natural. If there is an experience more simultaneously physically and mentally painful and psychologically stressful - then I confess complete ignorance as to what it may be.

Sorry if that was unclear, i meant it in the most basic evident truth that the eye can see.

My main problems are the lies. First lie being exactly what jason was talking about, the idea that war has somehow changed and it hasnt. I do inderstand and realize that every so called "conflict" since 45 hasnt been a conflict at all but rather other things in which ill leave the naming of it to you. People are tuned to the idea that almost every military action will be handled by a well thought out plan and conducted by the very best team against a technologically inferior enemy to ensure success. This almost always happens with few hiccups.

The second lie is that through media and other outlets that have been shoved down peoples throats is the idea that somehow along the line, men and women are equal in strength(which is most of what i was talking about)

That makes much more sense. I see where you're coming from now.

I don't know, like I said it's a complicated issue. I think I will have to adopt a "wait and see" kind of attitude.

 

[Jarvis]

I don't mean to be sexist, but I find it sickening to see women defending our country. I understand that they're perfectly capable of the job, but it's just not their duty. They need to be at home or nursing the wounded, not doing the job that a lot of men are too sissy to do!