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Women in the Pulpit

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elijah23

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Jesus Christ told us to be just (Matthew 23:23). That means that a woman, if she feels she's called to the ordained ministry, has just as much right as a man to serve as pastor of a church.

Some people, quoting Paul or Peter, claim that a woman doesn't have the right to serve in the pulpit. However, Jesus Christ is the Lord, not Peter or Paul. The Bible is not our Lord, either. Only Jesus Christ, Son of God, is our Lord.

If you don't obey Jesus, you will not find heaven.
 
Perhaps he quoted the wrong verse.


Women are not permitted to have authority over men.

And to think that the matter is a damnable offense is a joke.
 
Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene. She was the first to preach the "New Testament Gospel" with three words...He has risen.
 
reba said:
Every woman pastor I have ever met is wacked in some strange way.
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Me too. And I know handy will say the same thing.

The underlying thing at work being a spirit of rebellion against the authority of men over women in the ordained order of things. This has NOTHING to do with women not being able to be smart, educated, capable, spiritual people. Just people not called by God by virtue of order to have authority over men. But we make it out to be more than it really is about.
 
allenwynne said:
iLOVE said:
Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene. She was the first to preach the "New Testament Gospel" with three words...He has risen.
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Yes, as an evangelist, not as a pastor over men.
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The Great Commission

<sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>they<sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup> will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Mark 16:14-18
 
In my country and denomination women pastors are a rather normal thing. I've seen a few wacked ones (just like there are wacked male ones), but a bunch of very good ones, too. Female pastors who's church experienced growth and revival during their leadership. Women pastors who can preach with the fire of the Spirit and with authority from God, and who are great role models for women and men alike. It would be such a loss not to let them be pastors and preachers. Frankly, it would make absolutely no sense for got to give them such a spiritual gift if He hadn't wanted for them to use it. That would be like putting their light under a bowl.
 
Claudya said:
In my country and denomination women pastors are a rather normal thing. I've seen a few wacked ones (just like there are wacked male ones), but a bunch of very good ones, too. Female pastors who's church experienced growth and revival during their leadership. Women pastors who can preach with the fire of the Spirit and with authority from God, and who are great role models for women and men alike. It would be such a loss not to let them be pastors and preachers. Frankly, it would make absolutely no sense for got to give them such a spiritual gift if He hadn't wanted for them to use it. That would be like putting their light under a bowl.
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What this has to do with is authority.

The modern church isn't as familiar with, or dependent on, the leaders of the church having authority in and over the church. We've pretty much rebelled against that idea. When we don't like something we just go to another church, or start our own.

Women can have gifts, and use them. But they are, by the order of things God has established, forbidden from having authority over men. That means they can't have hold the Biblical office of overseer. Apart from that they are free to operate in their gifts in many of the ways men do.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
The modern church isn't as familiar with, or dependent on, the leaders of the church having authority in and over the church. We've pretty much rebelled against that idea. When we don't like something we just go to another church, or start our own.
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That's right, I wouldn't attribute authority to our pastors beyond of what their job is. And I suppose they wouldn't even want to have that kind of authority over their church members. Their job is already hard enough with the tedious administrational chores they have in addition to the teaching and spiritual guidance.
Maybe it's just me, but if a pastor would try to excercise some authority over me other than them being my bosses regarding my church volunteer work I'd probably either laugh at them (because the mere idea is so bizarre) or get really mad.
So since authority is not very much part of a pastor's job here (no more than a any boss has over their employees), then it'd be okay for you that women do the job?

Jethro Bodine said:
Women can have gifts, and use them. But they are, by the order of things God has established, forbidden from having authority over men.
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Grrrrrr I'm tempted to punch my fist into the wall. :gah
Because it really doesn't make sense. It makes sense as a testimony of the ancient Hebrew/ Greek mindset about women being inferor to men. But it makes no sense to be the will of the all knowing eternal God. Why would He create such a pointless group-based inequality among humans?
Grrrrrrr. :wall
I know this is not really an argumentation, but a rather emotional display of my anger. But for what it's worth: :wall
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Claudya said:
In my country and denomination women pastors are a rather normal thing. I've seen a few wacked ones (just like there are wacked male ones), but a bunch of very good ones, too. Female pastors who's church experienced growth and revival during their leadership. Women pastors who can preach with the fire of the Spirit and with authority from God, and who are great role models for women and men alike. It would be such a loss not to let them be pastors and preachers. Frankly, it would make absolutely no sense for got to give them such a spiritual gift if He hadn't wanted for them to use it. That would be like putting their light under a bowl.
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What this has to do with is authority.

The modern church isn't as familiar with, or dependent on, the leaders of the church having authority in and over the church. We've pretty much rebelled against that idea. When we don't like something we just go to another church, or start our own.

Women can have gifts, and use them. But they are, by the order of things God has established, forbidden from having authority over men. That means they can't have hold the Biblical office of overseer. Apart from that they are free to operate in their gifts in many of the ways men do.
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I don't agree with my pastor on end times at all. he is a futurist and I am not. at times I think his theology is shallow but he is real and honest and preaches with the power of the calling he has. sometimes the simpliest truths in application of the words given in the bible are more apt to teach then any reading of the bible. that is why I submit to him as I am called to be part of that church. but hey given what is a tendency in American churchs I guess I should anoint myself as pastor and start a home church.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
reba said:
Every woman pastor I have ever met is wacked in some strange way.
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Me too. And I know handy will say the same thing.

The underlying thing at work being a spirit of rebellion against the authority of men over women in the ordained order of things. This has NOTHING to do with women not being able to be smart, educated, capable, spiritual people. Just people not called by God by virtue of order to have authority over men. But we make it out to be more than it really is about.
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Well said Jethro :)
 
Different does not mean inferior .... Chocolate or Vanilla They taste different. I would like vanilla in my coke not chocolate yet I like chocolate on a brownie
 
reba said:
Different does not mean inferior .... Chocolate or Vanilla They taste different. I would like vanilla in my coke not chocolate yet I like chocolate on a brownie
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In general I would of course agree with you. But in the case we are debating here - women as an entire group not being allowed to hold authority - the difference is a difference in social rank. So if social rank within a church congregation is distributed with gender - all men are ranking above all women because guys may have authority over girls, but not the other way around - then that difference is creating inferority.
 
Claudya said:
reba said:
Different does not mean inferior .... Chocolate or Vanilla They taste different. I would like vanilla in my coke not chocolate yet I like chocolate on a brownie
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In general I would of course agree with you. But in the case we are debating here - women as an entire group not being allowed to hold authority - the difference is a difference in social rank. So if social rank within a church congregation is distributed with gender - all men are ranking above all women because guys may have authority over girls, but not the other way around - then that difference is creating inferority.
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A tree in a lawn a lawn is not a tree ... a rose is not a daisy .... each have their job/place and can not be the other... The tree is taller then the lawn yet each is where they belong.... I believe you and I will never see eye to eye on this...

I will not say more here... :)
 
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