Works for Salvation: Humility

[donadams]

Glory to God!

Man on his own is not capable of
Existence:
He needs to be
Created:
Redeemed:
Sanctified:
And grace must come before any good or salutary act, and virtue!

We cannot even have one good thought apart from God!

All we have that’s our own is sin and it’s effects! Precious blood of Jesus save us and wash away our sins!



Give thanks to the Eternal Father for having created us!

And to Christ for redeeming us in His precious blood!

And the Spirit for sanctifying and washing us in the waters of faith and baptism!

Amen!

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Then we need union with God and His grace thru Christ the mediator of the covenant? Yes?

Not to remove the simplify of the gospel. God saves those dead in their trespass and sin previously without God in this world.

Breaking it down does take a little work.

Remember God is not a man which defines the abomination of desolation dying mankind in the place of our invisible God.

We have our union with God through the grace of God. Christ is a teaching attribute of God. It is reckoned with the father our teacher. comforter and guide. In that way Christ mediates as the work of the Father as the one good teaching master .

Anti christ's are false teacher as false apostle sent with false prophecy.

Grace through Christ the power of the father not through the Son of man, Jesus.

Jesus the Son of man preached, the father did all the teaching.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
I really appreciate your tenacity donadams. Let's take a look the verses you cited.

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Peter is writing to older and younger saved believers here. So the grace being spoken about is not saving grace at this point. They already have that. This is the grace in which the believer grows.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Now let's look at Luke.

Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is from the parable of the Pharisee and the publican. Pay attention to whom Jesus is speaking.

Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Jesus is using it to show the difference between conceited self-aggrandizement, and a truly remorseful spirit. They are both in the Jewish temple praying. They both have a belief in God. This is prior to the resurrection. So this is cannot be referring to salvation. But the parable is showing an aspect of humility that was/is true pre or post resurrection.

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[donadams]

Hey All,
I really appreciate your tenacity donadams. Let's take a look the verses you cited.

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Peter is writing to older and younger saved believers here. So the grace being spoken about is not saving grace at this point. They already have that. This is the grace in which the believer grows.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Now let's look at Luke.

Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is from the parable of the Pharisee and the publican. Pay attention to whom Jesus is speaking.

Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Jesus is using it to show the difference between conceited self-aggrandizement, and a truly remorseful spirit. They are both in the Jewish temple praying. They both have a belief in God. This is prior to the resurrection. So this is cannot be referring to salvation. But the parable is showing an aspect of humility that was/is true pre or post resurrection.

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

Taz

If you are already saved you don’t need anything else, scripture says we are saved at the end of our lives Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13 etc

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn ofme; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

What happened to “faith alone”?

Thanks

 

[Corinth77777]

Faith & works or faith alone?

Grace is required by both

Grace requires works to be fruitful!

Jn 15:1-5 apart from Christ and His grace no fruit but with Christ and His grace we can bear much fruit!

Thanks

It's faith alone that saves, but the faith that saves is never alone
Another words during Noah's Day it was the Ark alone that saved, but the ark that saved was never alone.

It's Christ's Faithfulness that saves that's alone, But without trusting in Christ no one would be saved.

 

[Corinth77777]

Prayer is works and penance
Prayer fasting alm constitutes penance and are works
Thanks

The works spoken of are related to earning- because earning comes with an attitude.

Recall this scripture:
Romans 11:34-36 New International Version NIV“Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

And recall the passage,
"not a result of works, so that no one may boast " eph 2:9

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Peter is writing to older and younger saved believers here. So the grace being spoken about is not saving grace at this point. They already have that. This is the grace in which the believer grows.

The same grace that saved maintains. It has nothing to do with Age. He gives the same confidence to the younger .Do not anyone look down on your youth. (1 Timothy 4:12) It does have everything to do with the power of the unseen Holy Father.

Christ alone is of confidence He promised us if he began the good teaching work in n us he will continue until we take or last breath.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

All, young and old receive the same reward eternal life.

Remember young or old we receive the end of our new born-again faith from the beginning.

1Peter 1:8-10 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your (born again) faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Are you just looking for key words in verses instead of reading what the verse says in context to the rest of the chapter, or book? Or in this case the actual passage you cite? Read it again.

Matthew 24:12-13 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Wax - to grow, to become larger, to pass from one state to another

Who is doing the "enduring." Are you, donadams, suggesting that unbelievers are going to endure to the end and be saved for their unbelief? You either did not read the verse. Or you did not understand it.

Matthew 11:29 is Jesus calling people to follow Him. It has nothing to do with salvation at death. Jesus was calling them that day.

It is not "faith alone" that saves. Actually, faith does not save us at all. It is "faith" alone, though, that allows us to be saved. We are saved by God's grace, through faith (also provided by God) in Jesus. Grace through faith is what saves us. Faith is the vehicle, or the delivery system, of grace.

Time for you to do some of the answering.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

The work of salvation was completed by God while you and I were unbelievers. We did not do anything to cause that completion. Is this true?

John 6:28-29, 33 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

The belief we have in Jesus is, "the work of God."
No work we do has any influence. Is this true?

John 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Nobody can come to Jesus on their own. God always initiates the call. We receive the call. Is this true?
If the verses I cited are all true, what can we conclude from them?
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Corinth77777]

You dont earn anything by believing Jesus is who He claimed to be with the intent to want to follow.

Earning something would seem to come from trusting in your own naturally ability alone for payment.

But when you believe who Jesus is with the intent to follow, you are trusting that He is master, Lord, and King and that He is in controll of everything.

That's why He is called Lord and God and He has the Kingdom we enter.

But Now after you have trusted we are doing what we do with the Help of the Holyghost and because of the Spirit of Life given that has quicken us. No one can see the Kingdom as told to Nicodemus unless they are born from above.

So a question is: What/who are we trusting in?
Are we trusting a doctrinal system or God?

 

[Corinth77777]

The same grace that saved maintains. It has nothing to do with Age. He gives the same confidence to the younger .Do not anyone look down on your youth. (1 Timothy 4:12) It does have everything to do with the power of the unseen Holy Father.

Christ alone is of confidence He promised us if he began the good teaching work in n us he will continue until we take or last breath.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

All, young and old receive the same reward eternal life.

Remember young or old we receive the end of our new born-again faith from the beginning.

1Peter 1:8-10 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your (born again) faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

That is an amazing scripture that puts Salvation in perspective.
It shows that the kingdom is coming or is here but not yet.
For eternal life is this : that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. We understand to "know" Him is an intimate relationship.

Grace is God doing in us or for us what we cannot do in our own abilities. Unearned favor.

So there are all types of grace- unearned favors. Like Ephesians 2:8 when we read before, He has quickened us together with Christ. That is grace right ️? That is the grace that saved. God quickened us together with Christ.

 

[Corinth77777]

Hey All,
Are you just looking for key words in verses instead of reading what the verse says in context to the rest of the chapter, or book? Or in this case the actual passage you cite? Read it again.

Matthew 24:12-13 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Wax - to grow, to become larger, to pass from one state to another

Who is doing the "enduring." Are you, donadams, suggesting that unbelievers are going to endure to the end and be saved for their unbelief? You either did not read the verse. Or you did not understand it.

Matthew 11:29 is Jesus calling people to follow Him. It has nothing to do with salvation at death. Jesus was calling them that day.

It is not "faith alone" that saves. Actually, faith does not save us at all. It is "faith" alone, though, that allows us to be saved. We are saved by God's grace, through faith (also provided by God) in Jesus. Grace through faith is what saves us. Faith is the vehicle, or the delivery system, of grace.

Time for you to do some of the answering.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

The work of salvation was completed by God while you and I were unbelievers. We did not do anything to cause that completion. Is this true?

John 6:28-29, 33 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

The belief we have in Jesus is, "the work of God."
No work we do has any influence. Is this true?

John 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Nobody can come to Jesus on their own. God always initiates the call. We receive the call. Is this true?
If the verses I cited are all true, what can we conclude from them?
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

What one may want to try on is: whose faith or faithfulness are we saved, in the Ephesians passage.

Sense it's not about eternal security of the believer, but however the eternal security of Christ.

In trying it on it may sound like this (my words added):
By grace are you saved(have been quicken together with Christ)
through Christ's Faithfulness, and His Faithfulness is not of yourself it is a gift of God. NOT , YOUR WORKS TO BE RIGHTEOUS, so that no man can boast.

 

[Randy]

Jesus said that without the works of humility, one cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 18
[1] At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
[2] And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[4] Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Yet
He mocks proud mockers but shows favor to the humble and oppressed.

Grace given to the humble. God resists the proud

To the faithful you show yourself faithful,
to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
26 to the pure you show yourself pure,
but to the devious you show yourself shrewd.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

What one may want to try on is: whose faith or faithfulness are we saved, in the Ephesians passage.

Sense it's not about eternal security of the believer, but however the eternal security of Christ.

In trying it on it may sound like this (my words added):
By grace are you saved(have been quicken together with Christ)
through Christ's Faithfulness, and His Faithfulness is not of yourself it is a gift of God. NOT , YOUR WORKS TO BE RIGHTEOUS, so that no man can boast.

Exactly we are saved by the faith or understanding of God. Not by the imagination of our own hearts.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Matthew 24:12-13 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Wax - to grow, to become larger, to pass from one state to another

Who is doing the "enduring." Are you, donadams, suggesting that unbelievers are going to endure to the end and be saved for their unbelief? You either did not read the verse. Or you did not understand it.

What is meant by. . . and be saved for their unbelief (no faith) ?

Christ's Labor of Love or wok of his faith(understanding) it endures to the end

It is not "faith alone" that saves. Actually, faith does not save us at all. It is "faith" alone, though, that allows us to be saved. We are saved by God's grace, through faith (also provided by God) in Jesus. Grace through faith is what saves us. Faith is the vehicle, or the delivery system, of grace.

Faith is a work of God. Through that work as a labor of His love it gives us grace as a testimony to the works. Let there be and it was good Called the law of faith.

Again, faith is a work that God works in us to both reveal his will and empower the powerless dying to do it to His good pleasure. Faith cannot be separated from works.

Jesus, the Son of man did the will of the Father with delight. Others like Jonah a murmurer kicked against the pricks all the way and wanted to die knowing God was gracious. God is not served by the dying hands as a will of mankind. He empowers us to perform His will.

Delight? Murmur?

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

 

[donadams]

It's faith alone that saves, but the faith that saves is never alone
Another words during Noah's Day it was the Ark alone that saved, but the ark that saved was never alone.

It's Christ's Faithfulness that saves that's alone, But without trusting in Christ no one would be saved.

That’s pure mental illness!

It is “impossible” for some to be alone and at the same time not alone!

It is NOT faith that saves us!

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved!

 

[donadams]

The works spoken of are related to earning- because earning comes with an attitude.

Recall this scripture:
Romans 11:34-36 New International Version NIV“Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

And recall the passage,
"not a result of works, so that no one may boast " eph 2:9

That’s cos we are not capable of any good or salutary deed!

God’s grace must precede all our actions!

We must be in Christ! United to God and his communion of saints thru Christ the mediator by the grace of God obtained by faith and baptism and all the sacraments!

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5

Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2

 

[Josef]

What is meant by. . . and be saved for their unbelief (no faith) ?

Christ's Labor of Love or wok of his faith(understanding) it endures to the end


Faith is a work of God. Through that work as a labor of His love it gives us grace as a testimony to the works. Let there be and it was good Called the law of faith.

Again, faith is a work that God works in us to both reveal his will and empower the powerless dying to do it to His good pleasure. Faith cannot be separated from works.

Jesus, the Son of man did the will of the Father with delight. Others like Jonah a murmurer kicked against the pricks all the way and wanted to die knowing God was gracious. God is not served by the dying hands as a will of mankind. He empowers us to perform His will.

Delight? Murmur?

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Hey All,
"What is meant by. . . and be saved for their unbelief (no faith) ?"
Its a question I am asking donadams. He quoted the verse above the question to show faith plus works (man's works) are required for salvation.

Faith is a work of God, and God alone.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Josef]

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5

Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2

Hey All,
Notice how many of your posts start with faith? Salvation first, then baptism. Read the verses you cite. I am going to address only one of them because your declaration is incorrect.

1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The answer is in the verses. "Were disobedient" is past tense which carries with it the presumption that now they are not disobedient. Peter writes of Noah being saved by water. This is a physical saving in that Noah and his family were still alive. Peter is comparing Noah's physical salvation to the believer's water baptism.
How do I know that?
Read the verse. READ! (Yes it does get frustrating saying read over and over again.)
" . . . (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) . . . " Do you understand this? Baptism does not cause us to be forgiven. Grace through faith in Jesus is what puts away, "the filth of the flesh." Baptism is, "the answer of a good conscience toward God,)" Baptism comes after we are conscious of God's work in us. Baptism does not complete the work of God. Baptism is a public confession of the faith we have been given.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[donadams]

Hey All,
"What is meant by. . . and be saved for their unbelief (no faith) ?"
Its a question I am asking donadams. He quoted the verse above the question to show faith plus works (man's works) are required for salvation.

Faith is a work of God, and God alone.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

I don’t remember
Please send it to me
I always agree with heb 11:6 faith is always a requirement
But not faith alone

Thanks