Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

[DivineNames]

You missed the point completely on the post about idols and graven images... and I don't agree with you. :D

your talking nonsense. find me that Hindu...


:D

 

[DivineNames]

Almost all idolaters consider the man made object of worship to represent their god.

Do you consider the Bible to represent the inerrant word of God?

 

[bibleberean]

Almost all idolaters consider the man made object of worship to represent their god.

Do you consider the Bible to represent the inerrant word of God?

Yep...

And of course you are going to say. "Well you worship this idol".


And my answer is no I don't. I don't pray to my bible and I don't kneel down before it.

Here is what God says about His word.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The bible tells us about God.

Every half baked crack pot and heretick use the argument that Chrsitians "worship the bible" to justify idolatry or to call Christians hypocrites.

Here is what Jesus said concerning the bible and Himself.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus is not telling these two men to worship the bible but that the bible is where to look for answers concerning Him.

Instead of wasting my time thinking you are clever and setting me up just get to the point.

Thanks,

Robert

 

[DivineNames]

Yep...

And of course you are going to say. "Well you worship this idol".


And my answer is no I don't. I don't pray to my bible and I don't kneel down before it.

I thought you would say that.

:-D

The Bible has a strong influence on your understanding of God does it not?

You believe in, and worship the "God of the Bible" right?


If the Bible is not really the inerrant word of God, the Bible could well cause you to be an idolater.

 

[bibleberean]

There will be exHindu's in heaven but no practicing Hindus.

Hindus believe that salvation is earned and Christians believe salvation is an unmerited gift.

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

In Christianity salvation comes from being "born again".

In Hinduism salvation comes from ending the cycle of of rebirth.

There is no salvation outside of Christ...

Salvation is gained by being born again.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Salvation is gained by being born again.

Do you know the Greek word for being "born again"?

Thanks in advance......

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Salvation is gained by being born again.

Do you know the Greek word for being "born again"?

Thanks in advance......

<OC jumps up and down, hand waving in air>
"I do, I do, pick me..."

gennao anothen (transliterated)

It is this phrase that Bibleberean and many like him quote from the KJV
The KJV has a poor rendering of what the phrase means- it means born from above- and not just born, as in breaking from a womb, but literally to be of substance of the one who begat. The English term Genetics is derived from this Greek root, as was the term 'mongeni'- ie, only-begotten.

Therefore, Young's literal translation renders this well:

Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;'

The literal translation of the Greek is "has not the power (dunamis) to see (eido) or perceive the Kingdom.

Nowhere in this is the 'born again' experience equated with being saved, or not saved- though one can draw logical connections between each.

Those who have had spiritual awakenings often time think that this was when they were gennao anothen. in point of fact, their gennao anothen allowed them to see, and they experienced repentance and renewed vision (metoinia) which they latter wrongly called 'born again.'

This is what happens when lay people build theologies from translations- it's not as much wrong as it is incomplete and in part deceptive.

 

[peace4all]

indus believe that salvation is earned and Christians believe salvation is an unmerited gift.

srry explain plz?

christians believe you cant earn it?
christians believe it is inevitable?

what??

I was always told that i had to earn salvation, by believing.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Nowhere in this is the 'born again' experience equated with being saved, or not saved- though one can draw logical connections between each.

WOW!

Thanks so much OC!

That is just astounding!

I am learning muchg from your posts!

 

[bibleberean]

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus explains to Nicodemus that unless a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God and then Christ goes on to explain how a man is born again of spirit.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Then Jesus gives the salvation message... and how a man is saved (born again)

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

We are saved (born again) through faith in Jesus Christ on the cross.

It couldn't be any clearer.

Acts 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Only saved people will see or enter the kingdom of God. They must be saved(born again).

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You have to be deaf, dumb, blind, and in a total state of denial to miss it...

 

[Soma-Sight]

BB,

All I really have to say to you is............

Read the Grrek and Hebrew versions of YOUR Bible!

 

[Orthodox Christian]

BB,

All I really have to say to you is............

Read the Grrek and Hebrew versions of YOUR Bible!

Agreed, but unlikely. After the words were exegeted above, BB neither argues nor assents, but simply repeats his tradition's dogma.

Even the way they run right over the top of the phrase in John and Acts translated 'believe in' and 'believe unto.'

The discerning reader will note immediately that it does not simply say "believe," as in find an idea credible. Rather, the Greek term for 'believe' is pistevo. The whole counsel of the scriptures makes clear that to 'believe in' is to believe and do, not just believe. So much for sola fide.

This is amply demonstrated in the verse from Acts 16 as well.

As I said before,

This is what happens when lay people build theologies from translations- it's not as much wrong as it is incomplete and in part deceptive.

That's my story and I'm sticking by it
James

 

[Karma2Grace]

I don't think I will see a active Hindu in heaven if so it would happen only when the bible is utterly wrong and Jesus is a false God. It is either Christianity or others not both of them, It is mere stupidity and I can challenge that nobody can sustain that view

 

[Soma-Sight]

OC,

Thanks again for shedding light on the actual context of the original languages!

Basing your objective "word" on translations is a true fallacy!

 

[bibleberean]

Actually I have the most accurate version of the bible. Neither of you hold a candle to the translators of the KJV. In short you have nothing to say or offer me...

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[bibleberean]

There will be no Hindus in heaven. The only people who will be in heaven are those who are born again.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

There will be no "good Jews" in heaven either...

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Jews who do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and believe the gospel will not be in heaven.

This is plain to anyone except non-Christian hereticks.

 

[Solo]

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 1:18-23

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

Translated from the Greek texts:

18 Knowing that not by corruptible things, by silver or by gold, you were redeemed from your vain manner of life handed down from [your] fathers, 19 but by precious blood as of a lamb without blemish and without spot [the blood] of Christ: 20 having been foreknown indeed before [the] foundation of [the] world, but manifested at [the] last times for the sake of you, 21 who by him believe in God, who raised up him from among [the] dead, and glory to him gave, so as for your faith and hope to be in God. 22 Your souls having purified by obedience to the truth through [the] Spirit to brotherly love unfeigned, out of pure a heart one another love you fervently. 23 Having been born again, not of seed corruptible, but of incorruptible, by [the] word living of God and abiding forever. 1 Peter 1:18-23


Answered Jesus and said to him, truly of a truth, I say to you, unless anyone be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

To be born again is pretty plain to me, in English or in Greek; but I do understand why some do not SEE it (unless anyone be born anew, he cannot SEE the kingdom of God).

 

[soma]

I would rejoice that my God is a loving God and all inclusive. The people who want to put God in a small square church and lock the doors might not be there because they are the ones locked in the hell they have created. One is not a Christian by words only, but by actions and a closed mean heart is a bad fruit, love is a good fruit that is sweet enough to share with everyone. Great question. You have exposed the fake Christians. Jesus talked and accepted all. He was the only one to touch the lepers. Let us follow the example of his sacred heart.

 

[Solo]

I would rejoice that my God is a loving God and all inclusive. The people who want to put God in a small square church and lock the doors might not be there because they are the ones locked in the hell they have created. One is not a Christian by words only, but by actions and a closed mean heart is a bad fruit, love is a good fruit that is sweet enough to share with everyone. Great question. You have exposed the fake Christians. Jesus talked and accepted all. He was the only one to touch the lepers. Let us follow the example of his sacred heart.

Let us not put God in a small square church or in the small square mind of one who might not have room for the entirety of God almighty. One is a Christian as one is born again, not because one can speak of love in words only. The love of God is open to all, but few are chosen because they reject the call. The fake Christians are the ones who speak of a false doctrine other than the one that Jesus taught. Let us now see how Jesus spoke to those who rejected him or were in need of repentence. The sad part of the rejection of the truth that Jesus taught, is that one must lie to oneself inorder to reject him. Hopefully you will read and understand that God is good and no man is. Only by the righteousness that Jesus imputes upon those that have been born again will one be saved. Understand the sacred heart of Jesus as you read these words of love from the master.

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Matthew 3:7

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:2

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. Matthew 6:5

Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. Matthew 6:16

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Matthew 7:5

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15

And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. Matthew 11:23

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Matthew 12:34

Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Matthew 15:7

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? Matthew 16:3

But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Matthew 22:18

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Matthew 23:13

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Matthew 23:14

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matthew 23:15

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew 23:25

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Matthew 23:27

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, Matthew 23:29

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Matthew 23:33

And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24:51

He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Mark 7:6

Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Luke 3:7

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. Luke 6:42

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them. Luke 11:44

Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? Luke 12:56

The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering? Luke 13:15

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Revelation 2:2-6

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:8-9

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Revelation 2:12-16

18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. Revelation 2:18-25

1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Revelation 3-1-3

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:14-22

 

[AHIMSA]

I wonder why it is that so many Christians are so determined to see so many people waste away in hell?

...perhaps fundamentalism is a psychological disorder, people can give themselves celestial boosts of self affirmation through the denial and condemnation of others.