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Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

  • 1. Yes, it would be a disapointment to find infidels in God's and my New Kingdom......

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"The Church will go out to meet the non-Christian of tomorrow with the attitude expressed by St. Paul when he said: What therefore you do not know and yet worship [and yet worship!] that I proclaim to you (Acts 17:23). On such a basis one can be tolerant, humble and yet firm towards all non-Christian religions."

Karl Rahner, (1966) Theological Investigations, Vol. V.



(16) Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was being provoked within him as he was observing the city full of idols.
(17) So he was reasoning in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Gentiles, and in the market place every day with those who happened to be present.
(18) And also some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers were conversing with him. Some were saying, "What would this idle babbler wish to say?" Others, "He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,"--because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection.
(19) And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, "May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming?
(20) "For you are bringing some strange things to our ears; so we want to know what these things mean."
(21) (Now all the Athenians and the strangers visiting there used to spend their time in nothing other than telling or hearing something new.)
(22) So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.
(23) "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD ' Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.
(24) "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;
(25) nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;
(26) and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
(27) that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
(28) for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'
(29) "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

Acts 17:16-29, New American Standard Bible



Paul is against the idolatry in Athens, idolatry in the sense of the veneration or worship of created things. However, it seems that Paul acknowledges that those in Athens do (also) worship the "true" God, even if they lack the Christian understanding of said God. In verse 17:28 Paul says, "for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said". So Paul also seems to accept they have at least some genuine insight into this God.

This rather suggests that non-Christians can be worshipping the true God, even if, from the Christian perspective, they have an inadequate understanding of this God.

The approach of Karl Rahner would seem to be preferable to the moronic bigotry of certain Protestants. (Without mentioning any names...)
 
Paul did a great job of witnessing to non believers. He was firm and he was humble.

Paul was not well received by most of the non believers when he finished his speach.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

When I witness with the church in the park or on the street I am very non aggressive. I politely ask people passing by if they would like a gospel tract or a free bible.

If they say no I say no more. If they say yes I give them a tract and or a bible.

Some people mock me and some have gone so far as to take the tracts and the bible and tear them to shreds in front of me.

If someone did that to a Koran in most Muslim nations they would at the very least be publically flogged and imprisoned. There is a good chance they would be beheaded or executed by Muslims on the spot.

The gospel of Christ and His death on the cross is not a popular message and will not be embraced by those who want to preach the false "many ways to god" message.
 
bibleberean said:
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I think everyone would today agree that God is not like "unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device".

Even Hindu's who do use idols as part of their religious practice, would accept the truth of that. The kind of idolatry Paul is referring to, simply doesn't exist anymore.
 
DivineNames said:
Even Hindu's who do use idols as part of their religious practice, would accept the truth of that.


However, it does have to be said that some Hindu's will worship anything, there was an amusing story not that long ago about Hindu's venerating a monkey, which had wandered into a temple. They believed it was an incarnation of the Hindu monkey god, Hanuman.

:D
 
Worshipping an image does not mean that the people worshipping think that the idol itself is their god.

Almost all idolaters consider the man made object of worship to represent their god. They may believe that the idol can be inhabited by the spirit of their god but most if not all do not believe their gods are of the physical world.

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Hindu Idol Ganesh drinking milk

Isaiah 44:9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
 
BB,

Have you ever read the Gita?

Or the Upanishads, the Dhammapada, or the Vedas?

Just curious....

You seem to know SO MUCH about practicing Hindus!
 
Soma-Sight said:
BB,

Have you ever read the Gita?

Or the Upanishads, the Dhammapada, or the Vedas?

Just curious....

You seem to know SO MUCH about practicing Hindus!

Nope, but then again I don't need to. I haven't read the Satanic Bible either but I can tell you that Satanic practices are evil.

I have read the bible and I know that it is the only true source of understanding God and what He wants.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
BB,

That is starnge indeed!

You judge a book not only without looking at its cover.....

But without looking at what its contents are!

You are no "expert" in Hindu philosophy or theology if you have not the knowledge of its most basic teachings found in the Gita!

The Gita is actually secondary to the Vedas but "sums up" Hindu philosphy in its pragmatic content......


I am a little dissapointed that NO ONE here that belittles and condemns the Hindu to hell has actually any idea of the CONTEXT of what they are saying!

Other qualities, Arjuna, amake a person more and more inhuman: hypocrisy, arrogance, conceit, anger, cruelty, ignorance.

The Divine qualities lead to freedom; the demonic, to bondage. But do not grieve Arjuna; you were born with divine attributes!

Therefore let the scriptures be your guide in what to do and what not to do. Understand their teachings; then act in accordance with them
 
Soma-Sight said:
BB,

That is starnge indeed!

You judge a book not only without looking at its cover.....

But without looking at what its contents are!

You are no "expert" in Hindu philosophy or theology if you have not the knowledge of its most basic teachings found in the Gita!

The Gita is actually secondary to the Vedas but "sums up" Hindu philosphy in its pragmatic content......


I am a little dissapointed that NO ONE here that belittles and condemns the Hindu to hell has actually any idea of the CONTEXT of what they are saying!

Other qualities, Arjuna, amake a person more and more inhuman: hypocrisy, arrogance, conceit, anger, cruelty, ignorance.

The Divine qualities lead to freedom; the demonic, to bondage. But do not grieve Arjuna; you were born with divine attributes!

Therefore let the scriptures be your guide in what to do and what not to do. Understand their teachings; then act in accordance with them

No Christian has the power to send a Hindu to hell.

This is not my God...

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This is not the cover of God's word.

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Fair enough BB,

I think that you are a scholar that would at least have a broader "perspective" and "ammo" for your evangelism if you knew the basic tennants of the faiths you deem satanic.....

At any rate, your Ganesh statue is not representative of the Divine Creator even in Hindu terms. Ganesh is an anthropomorphized representation of some Divine attributes....

Much like your Mother Mary is a representation in Christian terms of virginty, sacrifice, and chastity.....

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The Hindu god is not my god.

My God is the God of the bible period.

The god you are trying to push is a false one.

You jump from rejecting one lie to believing another.

I feel sorry for you. I mean that.

"The chief aim in Hinduism is to gain release from the cycle of reincarnation caused by karma--the consequences of past actions, in this or in previous lives."

BB

Not according to my bible...

The bible is my Sword and Jesus is my saviour. Not the false religion and false god and gods of India...
 
The Hindu god is not my god.

How would you know what the Hindu god is.... you never even researched it for yourself!

My God is the God of the bible period.

Did you knwo God existed BEFORE and AFTER the Bible?

The god you are trying to push is a false one.

The God I push is the God that can be found in the heart of all creatures. This God loves the world so much that he would lay down the only begotten Son for the sake of the whole.

You jump from rejecting one lie to believing another.

I have seen and experienced the Love of Christ and that is my ultimate goal.... to be eternally united in that eternal nature of the Divine.

"The chief aim in Hinduism is to gain release from the cycle of reincarnation caused by karma--the consequences of past actions, in this or in previous lives."

The chief aim of ANY spiritually minded aspirtant is to be free from birth and death. To be eternally united with the Lord of Love and to be free from the burden of sin.

The bible is my Sword and Jesus is my saviour. Not the false religion and false god and gods of India...

My heart is my sword and Jesus is my saviour. He is known to all through the heart and through the Holy Spirit regardless of cultural "tags" on His unknowable nature.

Have some compassion and get off the soap box if you really want to "convince" anyone of your dogmatic assertations. Become like Christ, not the Pharisees.
 
I just read three chapters of the Bhagavad Gita.

It's chief teaching is contrary to the bible.

Chapter 7 verse 19

After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.

On most of the Hindu sites I have come to these words or something similar are used to describe the goal of the Hindu.

"The chief aim in Hinduism is to gain release from the cycle of reincarnation caused by karma--the consequences of past actions, in this or in previous lives."

The chief goal of the bible is to know Jesus Christ and the power of His resurrection not reincarnation.

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

The bible points to Christ.

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

The Bhagavad Gita points the way to death and hell because it points he way to "self realization" and a false god. It does not point a person to Jesus Christ

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

No wonder India is in such darkness. It is under the spell of the god of this world.

Remember this is a Christian forum not a forum in which a universalist religion can be promoted.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Have some compassion and get off the soap box if you really want to "convince" anyone of your dogmatic assertations. Become like Christ, not the Pharisees.
Hear, hear.
Now that deserves a standing ovation.
Bravo.
 
People who have compassion are concerned for the souls of the lost.

Hindus are lost without Christ.

People who put the love of the world over the love of God are not compassionate at all.

Hindus worship a false god who wants his followers to become free from birth.

Christians worship a God that want us to be born again.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 
Orthodox Christian said:
[quote="Soma-Sight":04ba2]Have some compassion and get off the soap box if you really want to "convince" anyone of your dogmatic assertations. Become like Christ, not the Pharisees.
Hear, hear.
Now that deserves a standing ovation.
Bravo.[/quote:04ba2]
Now, now guys, no finger-pointing. EVERYONE here has jumped on that soapbox more that once. 8-)

The God I push is the God that can be found in the heart of all creatures. This God loves the world so much that he would lay down the only begotten Son for the sake of the whole.
Very good Soma, now finish that thought. What is the rest of the verse you are paraphrasing? C'mon. :)

Almost all idolaters consider the man made object of worship to represent their god. They may believe that the idol can be inhabited by the spirit of their god but most if not all do not believe their gods are of the physical world.
Robert, do you know how prophetic that is? :o This very thing will be going on in the Last Days.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of men, those not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they will not worship demons, and "golden idols, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols, which neither are able to see, nor to hear," nor to walk. Dan. 5:23; Psa. 115:4 -7; 135:15-17
LITV
 
Vic said:
Now, now guys, no finger-pointing. EVERYONE here has jumped on that soapbox more that once.
Yes, this is true, though some seem to dwell in homes perched upon same soapbox, but regardless- I still 'amen' the statement.
 
bibleberean said:
Worshipping an image does not mean that the people worshipping think that the idol itself is their god.

Almost all idolaters consider the man made object of worship to represent their god.


So you agree with me then. The verse you gave is irrelevant today.

"Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

That is what you quoted bibleberean. Please find me a Hindu that thinks that God is "like unto gold..." etc.

And Paul does seem to accept that non-Christians can be worshipping the true God as I mentioned.

You may think Hindu's are idolaters. Believing in the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity could make Christians idolaters in the view of Jews and Muslims.
 
One of the most dangerous forms of idolatry seems to be scriptural idolatry. It can really warp a person's mind. This seems to be a problem in particular with the Bible and the Quran.
 
DivineNames said:
One of the most dangerous forms of idolatry seems to be scriptural idolatry. It can really warp a person's mind. This seems to be a problem in particular with the Bible and the Quran.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

You missed the point completely on the post about idols and graven images... and I don't agree with you. :D
 
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