Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

[Solo]

I wonder why it is that so many Christians are so determined to see so many people waste away in hell?

...perhaps fundamentalism is a psychological disorder, people can give themselves celestial boosts of self affirmation through the denial and condemnation of others.

Perhaps it is that non-Christians have a psychological disorder as they cannot understand the warning that Christians are heralding for the salvation of all. Believers know the reality of hell and how to escape the eternal separation of God. As they teach the escape route, many reject the way. I wonder why they reject Jesus Christ.

 

[soma]

Fundamentalist think the Bible is about other people's sin and not their own, it seems they don't care about what Jesus said about love and not condemning others or going to heaven as long as they are sure other people go to hell.

 

[Solo]

Fundamentalist think the Bible is about other people's sin and not their own, it seems they don't care about what Jesus said about love and not condemning others or going to heaven as long as they are sure other people go to hell.

Fundamentalists know that ALL mankind falls short of God's righteousness, and ALL are sinners, including themselves. Paul said that he was the chiefest of sinners. The fundamental concept of salvation is described by Jesus as recorded in John 3.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3:16-21

Fundamentalists teach the salvation that Jesus taught so that many that are condemned might be saved. It is the Word of God that says that all are condemned except for those that are in Christ Jesus. Unless one believes in Jesus and are saved, the love of God can not be known. Hopefully you will come to repent, believe, and follow Jesus so that you do not experience hell and the condemnation of the unrepentant sinner.

Your love seems to extend to all but to the fundamentalist. Why? You do believe the Bible don't you?

 

[Soma-Sight]

Fundamentalists teach the salvation that Jesus taught so that many that are condemned might be saved. It is the Word of God that says that all are condemned except for those that are in Christ Jesus. Unless one believes in Jesus and are saved, the love of God can not be known. Hopefully you will come to repent, believe, and follow Jesus so that you do not experience hell and the condemnation of the unrepentant sinner.

Your love seems to extend to all but to the fundamentalist. Why? You do believe the Bible don't you?

I understand what the Fundamentalist view on Salvation is....

It is just too inflexible and unfair for those brainwashed by other religious idealogies and cultural backgrounds.....

Just imagine if YOUR whole family was Fundy Islamist? Do you think that would have an inpact on your current worldview?

Think of the Native Americans for the past 2000 years that had no access to the Gospel and did not have correct theological understanding....

Are you saying they have no grasp of what the God of Love is and they will all burn in hell eternally?

I dont buy that a merciful God would not reveal His Divine Grace to those outside the Jewish system......

The Bible has beauty and it has atrocities which are hard for me to reconcile....

But I kepp studying....

 

[Solo]

Fundamentalists teach the salvation that Jesus taught so that many that are condemned might be saved. It is the Word of God that says that all are condemned except for those that are in Christ Jesus. Unless one believes in Jesus and are saved, the love of God can not be known. Hopefully you will come to repent, believe, and follow Jesus so that you do not experience hell and the condemnation of the unrepentant sinner.

Your love seems to extend to all but to the fundamentalist. Why? You do believe the Bible don't you?

I understand what the Fundamentalist view on Salvation is....

It is just too inflexible and unfair for those brainwashed by other religious idealogies and cultural backgrounds.....

Just imagine if YOUR whole family was Fundy Islamist? Do you think that would have an inpact on your current worldview?

Think of the Native Americans for the past 2000 years that had no access to the Gospel and did not have correct theological understanding....

Are you saying they have no grasp of what the God of Love is and they will all burn in hell eternally?

I dont buy that a merciful God would not reveal His Divine Grace to those outside the Jewish system......

The Bible has beauty and it has atrocities which are hard for me to reconcile....

But I kepp studying....

The fundamentalist view of salvation are the words of Jesus as recorded in the Bible. How would you know the sacred love of Jesus without the Bible? Do you pick and choose the words of the Bible which appeal to you as you would in choosing dinner at a buffet? That which you don't like, you don't accept?

The brainwashing and inflexibility lies in the faith of those that reject God's plan. God's plan is open to all. Those that reject God's payment for sin will pay the price for sin themselves. That price is very high. It is eternal separation from the only thing that is good in eternity. The problem is not the fundamentalist and his preaching, for Jesus was fundamental on what he taught. He taught that unless your righteousness was higher than the Pharisees you would not enter into heaven. Jesus was very fundamental in all that he taught. He was pretty specific about those that lived in the darkness and did not want to come into the light.

If I was a fundy Islamist, I would have the choice to believe God or to believe man.

If I were a native american I would recognized God in his creation according to Romans 1.

Those that will burn in hell have no grasp of the love of God for they rejected that love when God sent his only son to die on the cross for their wretched sinful butts.

Since you don't buy what God says, then you will have to explain in your finite sinful human jargon what makes you so good that you can reject Jesus as payment for your sin, and teach others that Jesus isn't necessary for salvation.

You have just explained to me why you are not saved and why you can not understand the complete word of God. You have no respect or understanding of his Word. When you say, "The Bible has beauty and it has atrocities which are hard for me to reconcile", the truth blares loudly. I would suggest in all of the Christian love that I can muster, that you commit your soul to Jesus Christ tonight, and ask him to forgive your terrible sin through his son Jesus Christ, ask him to send his holy Spirit to teach you all things, and believe that God is able to save you and teach you by his Word.

 

[DivineNames]

...perhaps fundamentalism is a psychological disorder, people can give themselves celestial boosts of self affirmation through the denial and condemnation of others.

I imagine there is a good risk of spiritual pride when you regard yourself as part of "God's elect".

 

[Solo]

...perhaps fundamentalism is a psychological disorder, people can give themselves celestial boosts of self affirmation through the denial and condemnation of others.

I imagine there is a good risk of spiritual pride when you regard yourself as part of "God's elect".

There is never a risk of spiritual pride if it is God's Spirit in control; only when the spirit is not of God, is there a risk of spiritual pride, and then it will keep those involved from seeing the truth. That is why pride is one abomination to God.

 

[DivineNames]

Since you don't buy what God says, then you will have to explain in your finite sinful human jargon what makes you so good that you can reject Jesus as payment for your sin, and teach others that Jesus isn't necessary for salvation.

You could explain to God that the exclusivism (often) tied up with it is immoral, and that it simply wasn't a coherent belief in the first place.

 

[Karma2Grace]

Fundamentalists teach the salvation that Jesus taught so that many that are condemned might be saved. It is the Word of God that says that all are condemned except for those that are in Christ Jesus. Unless one believes in Jesus and are saved, the love of God can not be known. Hopefully you will come to repent, believe, and follow Jesus so that you do not experience hell and the condemnation of the unrepentant sinner.

Your love seems to extend to all but to the fundamentalist. Why? You do believe the Bible don't you?

I understand what the Fundamentalist view on Salvation is....

It is just too inflexible and unfair for those brainwashed by other religious idealogies and cultural backgrounds.....

Just imagine if YOUR whole family was Fundy Islamist? Do you think that would have an inpact on your current worldview?

Think of the Native Americans for the past 2000 years that had no access to the Gospel and did not have correct theological understanding....

Are you saying they have no grasp of what the God of Love is and they will all burn in hell eternally?

I dont buy that a merciful God would not reveal His Divine Grace to those outside the Jewish system......

The Bible has beauty and it has atrocities which are hard for me to reconcile....

But I kepp studying....

In other words if we kill all the Gospel preaching people in this world then it is compulsory heaven for all the people as nobody knows Jesus and Salvation , Am I right saying that?

It is not a viable option for you (and every one in this forum) as you have access to Bible and Heard the Gospel and uniqueness of Jesus. As CS Lewis said, "You cannot remain as an outsider and worry for other outsiders" it is more illogical position to take

It is stupidity and sin to create cults as a way of "helping" God in His Judgment!

The exclusive claim of Jesus Christ is very fundamental truth in bible, I would challenge any one of you to refute!

 

[Solo]

Since you don't buy what God says, then you will have to explain in your finite sinful human jargon what makes you so good that you can reject Jesus as payment for your sin, and teach others that Jesus isn't necessary for salvation.

You could explain to God that the exclusivism (often) tied up with it is immoral, and that it simply wasn't a coherent belief in the first place.

Good, then memorize that and try it at the end when you face the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. I will be watching.

 

[soma]

Toot'N'Tell or Go To Hell is not giving love to others unconditionally. Forgiveness in this light of love does not mean that we tolerate behavior we don't like for example putting others down for not agreeing with us; it means correcting a misperception that we have been harmed; it means noticing our thoughts that create a fearful external world, choosing instead to see love in the world and to appreciate our common bond with others. The fundamentalist world we see seems so full of hate, anger, and resentment it may be the result of a belief system that isn't working. If you love another, you feel that love in return. You can love Jesus by feeding the hungry, helping the homeless or giving guidance and love to the young. They do not have to wear a fundamentalist straight jacket to be a child of God. Don't be afraid, if you are waling with the Lord.

 

[Soma-Sight]

The fundamentalist view of salvation are the words of Jesus as recorded in the Bible. How would you know the sacred love of Jesus without the Bible? Do you pick and choose the words of the Bible which appeal to you as you would in choosing dinner at a buffet? That which you don't like, you don't accept?

I see the sacred love of Jesus in Nature and in my mom when she does selfless things for me. I see the Love of Jesus when I hear of people giving their lives for good causes and curing diseases through science.....

As far as the verses that I dont ACCEPT, it is NOT a matter of accepting whether or not they happened or are in the Bible..... it is a matter if whether they were INSPIRED by the God of Love....

Take this baby killing verse for example...

1 Samuel 15:3 (New International Version)
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

This sounds satanic to me, not Christlike...... Am I WRONG for FEELING that way? Do I HAVE to believe that this is GOOD for me to be saved?

The brainwashing and inflexibility lies in the faith of those that reject God's plan. God's plan is open to all. Those that reject God's payment for sin will pay the price for sin themselves. That price is very high. It is eternal separation from the only thing that is good in eternity. The problem is not the fundamentalist and his preaching, for Jesus was fundamental on what he taught. He taught that unless your righteousness was higher than the Pharisees you would not enter into heaven. Jesus was very fundamental in all that he taught. He was pretty specific about those that lived in the darkness and did not want to come into the light.

Coming to Jesus does not require coming to religion or theology....

It requires coming to the understanding that we are all human beings in a painful dilema.. we all suffer and seek for God... LIVING the CRUCIFIXTION is more viable for Salvation than a blind acceptance of the creed in a book......

(Please see Matt 25 for more on this concept)

If I was a fundy Islamist, I would have the choice to believe God or to believe man.

The point here is that YOU ARE NOT a FUNDY ISLAMIST....

In fact as I stare into my pagan crystal ball I see that your past is most likely full of family members that are either involved in Christianity, were involved in Christianity, or have been involved in Christianity......

YOU have been influenced by the massive propaganda on

AM Radio
Televangelism
Friends and coworkers
neighbors
politicians

ALL PROCLAIMING THE RELIGION OF CHRISTIANITY AND NOT ISLAM!

I dont see ANY people close to you, influencial to you, role models to you in your youth, ETC that have the KORAN as their "word" of God!

Is my psychic premonition correct? (lol JK... this is merley deductive logic) :angel:

If I were a native american I would recognized God in his creation according to Romans 1.

So does this recognition of the CREATOR mean that NA people are ignorantly worshipping the same Divine power that you do in Sunday School?

I could see that!

You have just explained to me why you are not saved and why you can not understand the complete word of God. You have no respect or understanding of his Word. When you say, "The Bible has beauty and it has atrocities which are hard for me to reconcile", the truth blares loudly. I would suggest in all of the Christian love that I can muster, that you commit your soul to Jesus Christ tonight, and ask him to forgive your terrible sin through his son Jesus Christ, ask him to send his holy Spirit to teach you all things, and believe that God is able to save you and teach you by his Word.

Boy if I had a nickel for every time.....

Anyways, I Love Jesus and what He stood for. Does that mean that I am supposed to blindly and anti-intellectually believe every sadistic act of the Bible?

God forbid!

First of all it is a translation..... (KJV - NIV)

Second of all it promotes slavery and inequality of sexes (see OT and Paul for this)

Third of all it promotes massive genocides of races (See OT in many examples heres)

Now can I LOVE the parables of Christ, His work of Healing the sick and depraved, His pacisfistic response to violence, His miracles and Ressurection without worshipping a Book?

Yes! God Yes you can!

Just because I question the valdity of extreme fundamentalist hate and still Love Jesus I am STILL not accepted into YOUR fold? (This sounds like a Pharisaical inquisition here)

If you read the Gospels you will see that Christ contradicts the old dictates of prejudice and hate in the OT.

He is all about

LIBERATION
EXPANSION
LOVE
UNDERSTANDING
COMPASSION

which is a DIRECT contradiction to many events in the OT!

 

[Soma-Sight]

Toot'N'Tell or Go To Hell is not giving love to others unconditionally. Forgiveness in this light of love does not mean that we tolerate behavior we don't like for example putting others down for not agreeing with us; it means correcting a misperception that we have been harmed; it means noticing our thoughts that create a fearful external world, choosing instead to see love in the world and to appreciate our common bond with others. The fundamentalist world we see seems so full of hate, anger, and resentment it may be the result of a belief system that isn't working. If you love another, you feel that love in return. You can love Jesus by feeding the hungry, helping the homeless or giving guidance and love to the young. They do not have to wear a fundamentalist straight jacket to be a child of God. Don't be afraid, if you are waling with the Lord.

Amen soma # 2.....

Reminds me of my favorite part of the Gospel....

Matt 25

 

[Solo]

Toot'N'Tell or Go To Hell is not giving love to others unconditionally. Forgiveness in this light of love does not mean that we tolerate behavior we don't like for example putting others down for not agreeing with us; it means correcting a misperception that we have been harmed; it means noticing our thoughts that create a fearful external world, choosing instead to see love in the world and to appreciate our common bond with others. The fundamentalist world we see seems so full of hate, anger, and resentment it may be the result of a belief system that isn't working. If you love another, you feel that love in return. You can love Jesus by feeding the hungry, helping the homeless or giving guidance and love to the young. They do not have to wear a fundamentalist straight jacket to be a child of God. Don't be afraid, if you are waling with the Lord.

Your love is only shown to those that agree with you. You have not shown love to the Word of God, nor have you shown love to those who are in bondage to sin. Only Jesus can set one free from sin, and he does not do it unless you repent from your sin, believe in him, and follow him. You close your eyes to the truth that Jesus speaks because you fail to recognize the path of destruction that millions are on. You pick and choose what love is, and ignore the true love of God. Those that are born again have been set free from the straight jacket that restrains unbelievers from the truth. The god that the unbelievers follow is satan, and they believe him to be god, for they can continue to live in their wretched lifestyle and appease their sin while in this existence. What is sad is that this existence is like a vaper, temporary until Jesus' judgment.

 

[Solo]

The fundamentalist view of salvation are the words of Jesus as recorded in the Bible. How would you know the sacred love of Jesus without the Bible? Do you pick and choose the words of the Bible which appeal to you as you would in choosing dinner at a buffet? That which you don't like, you don't accept?

I see the sacred love of Jesus in Nature and in my mom when she does selfless things for me. I see the Love of Jesus when I hear of people giving their lives for good causes and curing diseases through science.....

Perhaps one day you will see the sacred love of Jesus when those in the world sacrifice their lives to save those that are lost on their way to hell. There is more love to save one for eternity than to save one for 70 years of less in this life, even though both are important.

As far as the verses that I dont ACCEPT, it is NOT a matter of accepting whether or not they happened or are in the Bible..... it is a matter if whether they were INSPIRED by the God of Love....

Take this baby killing verse for example...

1 Samuel 15:3 (New International Version)
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

This sounds satanic to me, not Christlike...... Am I WRONG for FEELING that way? Do I HAVE to believe that this is GOOD for me to be saved?

Your understanding is so far removed from God's understanding that it is appalling that you could tell God what he can or can not do with his creation to show his glory in the eternals to principalities and powers in the heavenlies, let alone what he can and can not inspire. He probably should have checked with you or I before he did or said anything, huh?!

The brainwashing and inflexibility lies in the faith of those that reject God's plan. God's plan is open to all. Those that reject God's payment for sin will pay the price for sin themselves. That price is very high. It is eternal separation from the only thing that is good in eternity. The problem is not the fundamentalist and his preaching, for Jesus was fundamental on what he taught. He taught that unless your righteousness was higher than the Pharisees you would not enter into heaven. Jesus was very fundamental in all that he taught. He was pretty specific about those that lived in the darkness and did not want to come into the light.

Coming to Jesus does not require coming to religion or theology....

It requires coming to the understanding that we are all human beings in a painful dilema.. we all suffer and seek for God... LIVING the CRUCIFIXTION is more viable for Salvation than a blind acceptance of the creed in a book......

(Please see Matt 25 for more on this concept)

Jesus told those of his fold to go into all nations teaching those to observe the things that he taught. Jesus taught that the only righteousness that would give one access to the Kingdom of Heaven was his. No one else had righteousness; Isaiah said that man's righteousness was as filthy rags. Jesus told Nicodemas that one must be born again in order to be saved. The born again doesn't come by feeding someone, or giving one a drink of water, it only comes by the leading of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ's sacrifice to the Father God, creator of all.

Notice in Matthew 25 the following underlined portion when Jesus says that when one does one of those good things to his brethren (Believers), they will have done it to Him. Also those that were not brethren (Believers) and did not given food or water or clothes to the brethren (Believers); they were cast into everlasting punishment. God did not create hell for mankind; he created it for the devil and the devil's angels. Unbelievers are cast into the pit of punishment of the devil because they chose not to spend eternity with God through Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, satan has duped many into believing that they are just fine without listening to God's Word.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:37-46

If I was a fundy Islamist, I would have the choice to believe God or to believe man.

The point here is that YOU ARE NOT a FUNDY ISLAMIST....

In fact as I stare into my pagan crystal ball I see that your past is most likely full of family members that are either involved in Christianity, were involved in Christianity, or have been involved in Christianity......

YOU have been influenced by the massive propaganda on

AM Radio
Televangelism
Friends and coworkers
neighbors
politicians

ALL PROCLAIMING THE RELIGION OF CHRISTIANITY AND NOT ISLAM!

I dont see ANY people close to you, influencial to you, role models to you in your youth, ETC that have the KORAN as their "word" of God!

Is my psychic premonition correct? (lol JK... this is merley deductive logic) :angel:

I was 28 years old before I became saved. I was not a Christian until then. Since then my mother was saved, may she rest in peace, but my father is not saved. I was oblivious to the message of the gospel in the radio, television, friends, coworkers, etc. In fact, after I was saved, I was amazed at the information that was available that I had not paid any attention to. I worked in an area where I knew no Christians. God actually drew me away from my employment to another state where he worked out my salvation.

I am glad that I was not influenced by the satanic religions of the world as much as some are, even though I was on the same path as they. God deals with individuals and their hearts, minds, and souls. All individuals have the opportunity to believe God or not. Those in Islamic, Communist, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Satanic religious systems all have the opportunity to know the love of God that sets them free from the god of this world. If they refuse, they will end up just as Matthew 25 says they will.

There is the Word of God, and there are many Words of satan in this fallen world. God will destroy all wickedness at the coming of Jesus Christ. No one will stand as His wrath is poured out.

If I were a native american I would recognized God in his creation according to Romans 1.

So does this recognition of the CREATOR mean that NA people are ignorantly worshipping the same Divine power that you do in Sunday School?

I could see that!

All are given the opportunity to worship the creator or the creation. All are condemned already, but God has delivered those who will. Remember the scripture that says, "Many are called, but few are chosen"?

You have just explained to me why you are not saved and why you can not understand the complete word of God. You have no respect or understanding of his Word. When you say, "The Bible has beauty and it has atrocities which are hard for me to reconcile", the truth blares loudly. I would suggest in all of the Christian love that I can muster, that you commit your soul to Jesus Christ tonight, and ask him to forgive your terrible sin through his son Jesus Christ, ask him to send his holy Spirit to teach you all things, and believe that God is able to save you and teach you by his Word.

Boy if I had a nickel for every time.....

Then you have no excuse for God may be trying to tell you something. I know this from experience.

Anyways, I Love Jesus and what He stood for. Does that mean that I am supposed to blindly and anti-intellectually believe every sadistic act of the Bible?

God forbid!

It amazes me what people will actually believe without stepping out in faith so that Jesus can change and teach each one individually from the inside out. There is no anti-intellectual, sadistic, untrue act of God recorded in the Bible. The Bible would have had no sadistic, evil acts recorded if it wasn't for satan, satan's angels, and man's sinful rebelliousness against God. It continues still today, but will be eliminated where no one who falls into the catagory described in the Bible as evil will enter the gates of heaven.

First of all it is a translation..... (KJV - NIV)

Second of all it promotes slavery and inequality of sexes (see OT and Paul for this)

Third of all it promotes massive genocides of races (See OT in many examples heres)

Now can I LOVE the parables of Christ, His work of Healing the sick and depraved, His pacisfistic response to violence, His miracles and Ressurection without worshipping a Book?

Yes! God Yes you can!

Just because I question the valdity of extreme fundamentalist hate and still Love Jesus I am STILL not accepted into YOUR fold? (This sounds like a Pharisaical inquisition here)

Your understanding of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the scriptures is totally offbase and in the arena of unbelief, just as I discerned. You refuse to hear the gospel of salvation and blame fundamentalists for you lacking. You are not in the fold by your choice, not mine. You sound like you want to be in the fold based on your direction, not God's direction for you.

If you read the Gospels you will see that Christ contradicts the old dictates of prejudice and hate in the OT.

He is all about

LIBERATION
EXPANSION
LOVE
UNDERSTANDING
COMPASSION

which is a DIRECT contradiction to many events in the OT!

The Word does not contradict itself, The Word contradicts man's intellect and ability to understand apart from the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has shown you many times how to become a Believer, but instead you hedge your bets and continue in your way of life because it please the only thing that you have, the flesh. You must be born again in order to understand the spiritual things of God. If you continue to refuse the Holy Spirit's bidding, you will reap a hardened heart, and it will be too late.

 

[soma]

" The joy of the Lord is your strength." Nevemiah 8:10 NKJV
Joy is essential to be spiritual and to follow Jesus. This practice grows out of faith, grace, gratitude, hope, and love. It is pure and simple happiness in being with Jesus . Joy is delight because we are aware of the abundance of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is also deep satisfaction in helping others and being elated for their good fortune.

It seems that your intolerance is disguised as Christianity because your words are not Christian. They are not guided by Jesus or love and do not live in a community with all life. You need more than a hug because deep down it seems you resent and hate anything that is different from your narrow view. Open your heart so you can see the whole sky, love and feel the joy that Jesus felt and taught which is love, the primary lesson of Christianity. Anyone can repeat verses from the Bible to support their hate, but only the sincere Christians can love and be loved.

 

[Solo]

" The joy of the Lord is your strength." Nevemiah 8:10 NKJV
Joy is essential to be spiritual and to follow Jesus. This practice grows out of faith, grace, gratitude, hope, and love. It is pure and simple happiness in being with Jesus . Joy is delight because we are aware of the abundance of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is also deep satisfaction in helping others and being elated for their good fortune.

It seems that your intolerance is disguised as Christianity because your words are not Christian. They are not guided by Jesus or love and do not live in a community with all life. You need more than a hug because deep down it seems you resent and hate anything that is different from your narrow view. Open your heart so you can see the whole sky, love and feel the joy that Jesus felt and taught which is love, the primary lesson of Christianity. Anyone can repeat verses from the Bible to support their hate, but only the sincere Christians can love and be loved.

You know not the love of God, nor do you know the Word of God. When you come to know the true love of God, then you and I can be brothers in Christ Jesus. Until then you are a hypocrite and a viper lost on your way to hell, ignorant of the path of destruction of which you are on. You should really quote scripture to back your positions, but I recognize that you are immature in this area and unable to teach truth because of your lacking. Do not rely on feelings which are fleeting, but rely on the absolute truth of the Word of God which is the true Jesus. You spout of a Jesus that is not the true Jesus. You spout of a new age Jesus whom the true Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24. Repent of your falsehoods and sin, and become born again so that you can see with the eyes of the Spirit of God, and not the eyes of a spirit at enmity with God.

 

[soma]

The Apostle Paul to Christians wrote: "Get rid of all bitterness. . . . (Ephesians 4:31). Likewise, in the Book of Hebrews, the author warned Christians: "See to it . . . that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many" (12:15).

Why are you such a bitter Christian and can't contain your bitterness? I understand you are unhappy, but why spread it? My love of Christ refuses to become infected with your troubled mind. You try to influence, but you defile Christianity with you hate. Bitterness is an offspring of the devil. A bitter person spews venom, which by its very nature is poisonous. The word "bitter" means to bite. You hold the Bible in one hand while you try to bite others. I don't accept your twisted rationalizations.

 

[Solo]

The Apostle Paul to Christians wrote: "Get rid of all bitterness. . . . (Ephesians 4:31). Likewise, in the Book of Hebrews, the author warned Christians: "See to it . . . that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many" (12:15).

Why are you such a bitter Christian and can't contain your bitterness? I understand you are unhappy, but why spread it? My love of Christ refuses to become infected with your troubled mind. You try to influence, but you defile Christianity with you hate. Bitterness is an offspring of the devil. A bitter person spews venom, which by its very nature is poisonous. The word "bitter" means to bite. You hold the Bible in one hand while you try to bite others. I don't accept your twisted rationalizations.

You can continue with your hate to the Word of God as I preach it to those that are in error and lost. I suggest, dear one, that you examine yourself, to insure that the feelings that you call love, are not just phony feelings. What is your spiritual gift? I can tell you that it is not prophesy.

What you are seeing from me is more likely conviction, and dislike for the tough love that comes with the word of God. You probably sway away from the portions of scripture that deal with God's wrath upon the wicked and unbelievers. Perhaps if you were to read the prophets, you would see how God preaches when those of his chosen are living wrongly in his sight. Perhaps you never read the words of Jesus as he rightfully called unbelievers and false prophets, hypocrites and vipers. Perhaps your calling me bitter and hateful fills a void in your life, but dear, I have fought satan for twenty-two of my fifty years, and you are not the first to attack my charactor and content of the words that are laid on my heart by the Spirit of God.

What part of the love of God allows one living in the lies of satan not to be rebuked?

Also dear one I am not bitter as you suggest. I am full of life and love and joy, for my life was spared miraculously last year and the joy of the Lord has been in my heart for the last 22 years since my salvation. I have a date, time, place, and testimony of my salvation. If you do not have then you are lacking, if you do have then you should be kinder to your elders in the Lord than what you have been.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Perhaps one day you will see the sacred love of Jesus when those in the world sacrifice their lives to save those that are lost on their way to hell. There is more love to save one for eternity than to save one for 70 years of less in this life, even though both are important.

Hmmm..

I dont quite get this one...

Maybe you mean there are people that have given there lives to bring the Bible into third world countries and such. I can see that point.

Your understanding is so far removed from God's understanding that it is appalling that you could tell God what he can or can not do with his creation to show his glory in the eternals to principalities and powers in the heavenlies, let alone what he can and can not inspire. He probably should have checked with you or I before he did or said anything, huh?!

appalling.....

Maybe?

An honest inquiry.....

Definitely!

Of course God can kill innocent babes if He so chooses! This is indicative of His attribute of ULTIMATE POWER OR ALL POWERFUL....etc....

But it VIOLATES His attribute of being MERCIFUL and ALL LOVING.....

Jesus contradicts massive genocidal notions that are implied in the OT text....

I mean if it is fitting for all pagan babies to be killed..... then why did Jesus save a satanics guards ear from the sword of Peter?!

Jesus told those of his fold to go into all nations teaching those to observe the things that he taught. Jesus taught that the only righteousness that would give one access to the Kingdom of Heaven was his. No one else had righteousness; Isaiah said that man's righteousness was as filthy rags. Jesus told Nicodemas that one must be born again in order to be saved. The born again doesn't come by feeding someone, or giving one a drink of water, it only comes by the leading of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ's sacrifice to the Father God, creator of all.

I believe you are mistaken about the true intrinsic worth of "FRUITS" of the Spirit....

Those that do help the poor, feed the hungry, treat the ills of Satan are indeed of the SPIRIT although in some cases they are IGNORANT of this fact....

The Holy Spirit is the conscience of man which speaks to the heart.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO HEAR THIS CALL WITHOUT BEING A MEMBER OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE! (Look up Mother Teresa on google for more info here......)

Notice in Matthew 25 the following underlined portion when Jesus says that when one does one of those good things to his brethren (Believers), they will have done it to Him. Also those that were not brethren (Believers) and did not given food or water or clothes to the brethren (Believers); they were cast into everlasting punishment. God did not create hell for mankind; he created it for the devil and the devil's angels. Unbelievers are cast into the pit of punishment of the devil because they chose not to spend eternity with God through Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, satan has duped many into believing that they are just fine without listening to God's Word.

The CRITERIA of the believer is the ACTIONS described in this text!

You fail to see this point! I think you believe that a CONFESSION of a religion fits the requirement of being a sheep....

But ACTUALLY the Word of God says that the BELIEVER is the one who did the WORK of LOVE regardless of religious background!

He calls ALL NATIONS and separates them based on the LAW OF LOVE (GOD)....

Not the LAW OF CREED (MAN)......

ALL are the brethren of Christ..... Your notions.... like the Pharisees of Jesus day will not hold up the Courts of the most High!

I was 28 years old before I became saved. I was not a Christian until then. Since then my mother was saved, may she rest in peace, but my father is not saved. I was oblivious to the message of the gospel in the radio, television, friends, coworkers, etc. In fact, after I was saved, I was amazed at the information that was available that I had not paid any attention to. I worked in an area where I knew no Christians. God actually drew me away from my employment to another state where he worked out my salvation.

You were not OBLIVIOUS to the massive amounts of Christian propaganda in this country.... otherwise you woulndt be SAVED!

Tell me one person you know and respect that is a Muslim?

I am glad that I was not influenced by the satanic religions of the world as much as some are, even though I was on the same path as they.

I wonder if you have ever been to a Buddhist temple or Mosque?

I doubt it.......

have you even read other spiritual texts?

Have you employed other spiritual disciplines or talked in detail with religious leaders from other faiths?

I doubt it.....

Most fundamentalists have not and this is a glaring reason why they think the way they do...... Because they have no knowledge outside their own self created box of separateness.....

Then you have no excuse for God may be trying to tell you something. I know this from experience.

I bet you didn't know.....

That I come from a fourth generation background of the SDA movement....

That I have been baptised in a bona fide Christian Church.....

That the majority of my family and friends are Christian....

That I attend a bona fide Christian University.....

I attend Church sermons.....

I take time to talk to others about their religious persuasions ( I have a Muslim, Hindu, Catholic as scholarly colleagues.....

I take my brother to Church as he is a recovering alcoholic....

I send Bibles and money to third world countries.....


So before you sit on the throne of judgement and cast me into hell remember this verse my brother.....

James 4:11 (New International Version)

11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.



I CHALLENGE YOU to post ONE time that I evert said YOU were going to hell and were a ignorant or stupid person?

I bet you cant do it because I dont judge people the way those that are lost do as according to James!


In conclusion lets try and keep this on a reasonable basis and ON TOPIC......

No need for personal attacks.......

For there is NO attack worse than saying someone will be in endless torment for all time......

Thats just MEAN man! :P