Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

[bibleberean]

That, to quote Father Ted, is an ecumenical matter.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That is why there will not be any fools in heaven either...

Psalm 53:1 Eine Unterweisung Davids, im Chor umeinander vorzusingen. 2 Die Toren sprechen in ihrem Herzen: Es ist kein Gott. Sie taugen nichts und sind ein Greuel geworden in ihrem bösen Wesen; da ist keiner, der Gutes tut.

 

[DivineNames]

As long as you "see the point" then we don't and won't have a problem...

Robert

Perhaps you would care to look the word up in a dictionary...


:D

 

[DivineNames]

That, to quote Father Ted, is an ecumenical matter.

drink!...! girls!

(to quote Father Jack)

 

[DivineNames]

In the circumstance described, would you then be happy to see non-Christians in heaven?

This isn't a difficult question.

Perhaps I am wrong? I guess it is difficult for some Christians to think outside of the "box" of Christianity, even hypothetically...

 

[bibleberean]

As long as you "see the point" then we don't and won't have a problem...

Robert

Perhaps you would care to look the word up in a dictionary...


:D

Look what word up in the dictionary?... Am I supposed to read your mind? :-?

 

[Soma-Sight]

DivineNames...

Perhaps I am wrong? I guess it is difficult for some Christians to think outside of the "box" of Christianity, even hypothetically...

Do not feel too badly, Berean is a classic example of someone who displaces his own failings on the spiritual level to those of the "other" crowd.

This classic personality always gives in to Fear and spends most of its time looking "out" to others shortcomings rather than "in" to the one place that can be changed through correct spiritual discipline.

This all too common zealotry is the driving force behind "witch burnings", "hate mongering of deviant groups or those that do not fit into your hiveminds "doctrinal assertations", "Kamakazi pilots in WW2", "Terrorist suicides for a supposed (Crystal Clean) cause" etc......

A person like this would spend five hours belittling those that appear weaker or inferior to oneself rather than one hour spent in honest prayer in order to sanctify their own spiritual walk....

A Pharisee is a classic example of this kind of Archetype.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

DivineNames...

Perhaps I am wrong? I guess it is difficult for some Christians to think outside of the "box" of Christianity, even hypothetically...

This classic personality always gives in to Fear and spends most of its time looking "out" to others shortcomings rather than "in" to the one place that can be changed through correct spiritual discipline.

This all too common zealotry is the driving force behind "witch burnings", "hate mongering of deviant groups or those that do not fit into your hiveminds "doctrinal assertations", "Kamakazi pilots in WW2", "Terrorist suicides for a supposed (Crystal Clean) cause" etc......

A person like this would spend five hours belittling those that appear weaker or inferior to oneself rather than one hour spent in honest prayer in order to sanctify their own spiritual walk....

A Pharisee is a classic example of this kind of Archetype.

Very well stated, and point on.

There is a logical fallacy sometimes known as the 'argumentum ad Hitlerum' wherein one's opponents are compared in some manner to Hitler.
This tactic has been used endlessly, to the point where we really forget who Hitler and the Nazis were.

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[Soma-Sight]

Very well stated, and point on.

There is a logical fallacy sometimes known as the 'argumentum ad Hitlerum' wherein one's opponents are compared in some manner to Hitler.
This tactic has been used endlessly, to the point where we really forget who Hitler and the Nazis were.

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I cannot claim to be an Orthodox Christian as you are but I see much wisdom in many of your posts and it has forced me to re-evaluate my stance on the "evil nature" of Catholics in general.

I respect and believe you are serious in your walk of faith and have critically evaluated your own Churches stance on doctrinal issues instead of just blindly following the mass.

I am starting to see more and more that the quality of an individual and his/her walk for the Lord has nothing to do with "labels" such as "Evangelical" and more to do with sincerity of character and intent.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Very well stated, and point on.

There is a logical fallacy sometimes known as the 'argumentum ad Hitlerum' wherein one's opponents are compared in some manner to Hitler.
This tactic has been used endlessly, to the point where we really forget who Hitler and the Nazis were.

Rule 2 - No Flaming:

You will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. This will include misquoting another member out of context. You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal attacks on the member himself or herself.

edited by bibleberean


I cannot claim to be an Orthodox Christian as you are but I see much wisdom in many of your posts and it has forced me to re-evaluate my stance on the "evil nature" of Catholics in general.

I respect and believe you are serious in your walk of faith and have critically evaluated your own Churches stance on doctrinal issues instead of just blindly following the mass.

I am starting to see more and more that the quality of an individual and his/her walk for the Lord has nothing to do with "labels" such as "Evangelical" and more to do with sincerity of character and intent.

Thank you very kindly for your gracious words, Soma.
Even those of us who stand opposed on matters of doctrine should be able to speak light and life to and towards one another- well done.

While I hold correct doctrine in high regard and believe same to be of great importance, I believe your last statement to be the pinnacle of truth. Character and intent are of paramount importance, and each supports the other in our pilgrimage through this difficult life.

Labels are often used so as to avoid the truth that is being spoken by another.

James

 

[bibleberean]

I agree right doctrine is very important...

That is why their will be no one in heaven who worships false God's and has not believed the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In fact doctrine is one of the most important themes in the NT.

A devil worshipping Hindu will not be found in heaven.

To even speculate hypothetically on such a thing is a slap in the face of Jesus Christ who died on the cross and bore the shame of it for all of us.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. :D

 

[Orthodox Christian]

I agree right doctrine is very important...

That is why their will be no one in heaven who worships false God's and has not believed the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In fact doctrine is one of the most important themes in the NT.

A devil worshipping Hindu will not be found in heaven.

To even speculate hypothetically on such a thing is a slap in the face of Jesus Christ who died on the cross and bore the shame of it for all of us.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. :D

I believe the poll topic is "would you be disappointed to find a Hindu in heaven?"
80% have answered 'no, I would rejoice in God's infinite mercy.'

This question is not a stated advocacy for UR nor is it relativistic. It is a question designed to reveal the heart and mind of the one who answers. (IE, an "open" question).

 

[jess321]

8-) can't we all just get along!!!!?????

 

[bibleberean]

I agree right doctrine is very important...

That is why their will be no one in heaven who worships false God's and has not believed the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In fact doctrine is one of the most important themes in the NT.

A devil worshipping Hindu will not be found in heaven.

To even speculate hypothetically on such a thing is a slap in the face of Jesus Christ who died on the cross and bore the shame of it for all of us.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. :D

I believe the poll topic is "would you be disappointed to find a Hindu in heaven?"
80% have answered 'no, I would rejoice in God's infinite mercy.'

This question is not a stated advocacy for UR nor is it relativistic. It is a question designed to reveal the heart and mind of the one who answers. (IE, an "open" question).

The heart of obedient sons should be to line up with God's will not wish that God would let sincere Hindu's into heaven.

That is the problem with the poll and the wrong attitudeof the "heart" of 80%.

God has given us the criterion for salvation. It is through Jesus and belief in His sacrifice on the cross.

There will be no Hindu's, Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, or anyone else for that matter in heaven unless they have been "born again".

There are no if, ands, or buts, about it.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Cut and dry, plain and simple.

The heart of a Christian should be to believe God not contradict what God has plainly stated.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Character and intent are of paramount importance, and each supports the other in our pilgrimage through this difficult life.

Labels are often used so as to avoid the truth that is being spoken by another.

James

The importance of character and intent remove the difficult problem of being born in a society without the Gospel and STILL understanding the Love of God.

Take a man in the rainforest that has never known the semantical language of the Gospel but spent His life living in a Christlike manner. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light" is not just a revelation of the PERSON of Jesus Christ but the ACTIONS that He portrayed here on earth. When you follow the WAY of Christ it is irrelevant which Church you pour your money and interests into, it is the character that is revealed through you that counts. The Holy Spirit I believe is universal in its abiltiy to speak to the hearts of man in regards to right actions and thoughts.

Being a follower of Christ is not about semantical acceptance of creeds and dogma but chossing to listen to the still small voice in the heart for the good of God and man.

 

[jess321]

isn't there supposed to infinate happiness in heaven?
so once you get there you are going to be so amazed by God and the fact that you are there you aren't going to be focusing on who else is there because you whole reason for being there was to glorify God. and if they are there they will be doing the same,
right ?

 

[Orthodox Christian]

I agree right doctrine is very important...

That is why their will be no one in heaven who worships false God's and has not believed the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In fact doctrine is one of the most important themes in the NT.

A devil worshipping Hindu will not be found in heaven.

To even speculate hypothetically on such a thing is a slap in the face of Jesus Christ who died on the cross and bore the shame of it for all of us.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. :D

I believe the poll topic is "would you be disappointed to find a Hindu in heaven?"
80% have answered 'no, I would rejoice in God's infinite mercy.'

This question is not a stated advocacy for UR nor is it relativistic. It is a question designed to reveal the heart and mind of the one who answers. (IE, an "open" question).

The heart of obedient sons should be to line up with God's will not wish that God would let sincere Hindu's into heaven.

That is the problem with the poll and the wrong attitudeof the "heart" of 80%.

God has given us the criterion for salvation. It is through Jesus and belief in His sacrifice on the cross.

There will be no Hindu's, Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, or anyone else for that matter in heaven unless they have been "born again".

There are no if, ands, or buts, about it.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Cut and dry, plain and simple.

The heart of a Christian should be to believe God not contradict what God has plainly stated.

Yes, just like Moses should have never argued that God would spare the Jews, nor should have Avraham agued that God would spare Sodom. Nor should have Paul desired that he himself would be condemned that his brothers the Jews would be saved.

When the Judge- He who is neither you nor I- has rendered Judgement, then will I cease to make intercession for the souls of even my enemies. Until such time, I will follow the scriptural mandate to pray for all persons everywhere. I will not participate in self-aggrandizing pre-Judgement practiced by supposedly bible-believing Christians- including speaking to who will definitely be 'in.'

 

[bibleberean]

Character and intent are of paramount importance, and each supports the other in our pilgrimage through this difficult life.

Labels are often used so as to avoid the truth that is being spoken by another.

James

The importance of character and intent remove the difficult problem of being born in a society without the Gospel and STILL understanding the Love of God.

Take a man in the rainforest that has never known the semantical language of the Gospel but spent His life living in a Christlike manner. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light" is not just a revelation of the PERSON of Jesus Christ but the ACTIONS that He portrayed here on earth. When you follow the WAY of Christ it is irrelevant which Church you pour your money and interests into, it is the character that is revealed through you that counts. The Holy Spirit I believe is universal in its abiltiy to speak to the hearts of man in regards to right actions and thoughts.

Being a follower of Christ is not about semantical acceptance of creeds and dogma but chossing to listen to the still small voice in the heart for the good of God and man.

Being saved is about "believing the gospel".

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The bible does not say that sincere devil worshippers who live commendable lives shall be saved. Those of the Hindu faith worship false gods and are children of wrath.

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that,and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Remember, it isn't me who is saying these people worship devils it is God.

If people have an issue with this then take it up with him...

The gospel needs to be preached!

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[bibleberean]

isn't there supposed to infinate happiness in heaven?
so once you get there you are going to be so amazed by God and the fact that you are there you aren't going to be focusing on who else is there because you whole reason for being there was to glorify God. and if they are there they will be doing the same,
right ?

Believers have God's promise that they will be in heaven...

I am only quoting what God has said.

There will be no non-believers in heaven...

John 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

If you will look closely those who argue for Hindus being in heaven only tell us what the bible says without quoting the scriptures to back it up.


There is a reason this is written.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[jess321]

thats the problem: it's a hypothetical question that is not likely to happen or that by my beliefs is not going to happen! :D it's all about your opinion in this hypothetical situation!

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Character and intent are of paramount importance, and each supports the other in our pilgrimage through this difficult life.

Labels are often used so as to avoid the truth that is being spoken by another.

James

The importance of character and intent remove the difficult problem of being born in a society without the Gospel and STILL understanding the Love of God.

Take a man in the rainforest that has never known the semantical language of the Gospel but spent His life living in a Christlike manner. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light" is not just a revelation of the PERSON of Jesus Christ but the ACTIONS that He portrayed here on earth. When you follow the WAY of Christ it is irrelevant which Church you pour your money and interests into, it is the character that is revealed through you that counts. The Holy Spirit I believe is universal in its abiltiy to speak to the hearts of man in regards to right actions and thoughts.

I agree fully. So did CS Lewis, if you have ever read "The Last Battle."