Bible Study Yahweh's Loving Instruction Thru The Torah.

[th1b.taylor]

And this comment was in response to a comment that I just start a thread and put it out there. May God have mercy on them if I start a thread? Is that not meant to mock? That is sure the way I receive it at the moment.

Perhaps you meant If I post the thread and just put it out there that the truth will paralyze them; may God have mercy on them?

Look, I seriously tried to be friends with you when I arrived here and as nearly as I recall you rebuked me brusquely for suggesting that you use the scriptures to ascertain yhay iy was God speaking to you and not one of the Demons. I even recall suggesting that you were teaching contrary to the Written Word of God and I offered you Mal 3:6.

It is only meaningless to you because of unbelief. But the words of the book being sealed are not my words. If you had truly reconciled the scripture from Gen/quote]o 1:1 to Rev 22:21, then you would know this to be truly.

No, God is the same today as He was with Abraham and as He will be Eons from now.

I sense a little envy in that comment. You should reconcile that. You have am 8th grade education, and I can't study the scriptures. That doesn't make me any more intelligent. I can only share that which I have heard from my father, and if you have reconciled the scriptures to yourself, then you would know the the Lord is quite capable of making a dumb ass to speak.

You might want to get that ego attended to by Jesus, oh, and I am lacking nothing, I qm one of God's children and an heir to it.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Uhm,stating the importance of the torah and the Name of God.Does anyone see that ?

The progressive names of God in the OT change as they reveal His attributes.

 

[JLB]

ez,
I tried to help you use your God given senses once before when you were teaching these lies, I will not ever make that mistake again. I will, however warn any new and not yet grounded Christians, that usually occurs within the first five years, that your teaching has nothing to do with scripture and is therefore labeled by me and any other caring, loving Christ follower, as Heresy, straight from the pits of Hell.

 

[Douglas Summers]

When Adam ate from the tree of Knowledge, his EYES were OPENED to the knowledge of evil.

Just a note ez, It was Eve that was deceived and took and ate from the tree of knowledge and was cursed, (Gen. 3:6; 13; 15-16) Adam was cursed because he hearkened unto his wife (Gen. 3:17-19)

 

[ezrider]

Could you post the scripture that teaches us Christ is not found on the narrow way.

That way we can all evaluate your doctrine, whether it is from our Heavenly Father or some other.


JLB

You have no need that I post the scriptures for you, for you already know them. Chopper suggested in his OP that Jesus awaits at the end of the way for those who continue to walk the straight and narrow path. I said Jesus isn't found on the narrow path, he is found in the broad way. You know the scriptures where Jesus tells us that he came for the sick, not for those who have no need of a physician. You know the scriptures that tell you that Jesus came for those who are lost. Are those on the straight and narrow path lost? Are they sick? And lastly you know the scriptures, and you know the words of Jesus. You have no need for me to tell you that Jesus said I AM the WAY. I AM the TRUTH. I AM the LIFE. You know the scriptures for yourself.

Straight is the GATE and narrow is the WAY that leads to LIFE, and few there are that find it. The straight and narrow way is not a path we must stay on to find Jesus at the end if it as the OP suggests, because JESUS IS THE STRAIGHT GATE and the NARROW WAY. But I'm sure you already new that. Jesus is the straight gate and the narrow way. He is the door that is found in the broad way, where the sinners are, for he will be glorified in them.

You have no need that I post any scripture, because you already know them. I know you know the words of Jesus when he laid into the Scribes and Pharisees, where he called them hypocrites. Jesus told them they don't enter into the kingdom, and they prevent those who would from entering. Can you tell us the what the Scribes and Pharisees did that prevented the children from entering into the kingdom? What expectations were place upon them? Did they expect the people to walk the straight and narrow before they could enter in? Something about heavy burdens?

So there is no need for me to post any scriptures for you so that you can evaluate my doctrine, for it is not my doctrine.; And you already know the scriptures yourself. Is there a scripture that says you must walk the straight and narrow AFTER you have come to the LIFE in Christ? Would you characterize the law of Liberty in Christ to be a straight and narrow path? Or does the law of Liberty suggest a more broad way, where we are asked not to use our liberty as a cloak for maliciousness?


He who hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith, for you can't hear the word of God when you when you are sitting in judgement over the word of God.

 

[ezrider]

Just a note ez, It was Eve that was deceived and took and ate from the tree of knowledge and was cursed, (Gen. 3:6; 13; 15-16) Adam was cursed because he hearkened unto his wife (Gen. 3:17-19)

I know that you need no teacher, as I am sure that you know the scripture that say although Eve was deceived, it was Adam who was the one in transgression. Why? Because Adam was the one given the commandment, not Eve. And yet what do we find Adam doing in the story from the scriptures. Did he not try instead to blame Eve? For the women gave it to me and I did eat. Adam, the first accuser.

I am sure you are aware of the scripture that calls Satan, also called serpent and the devil, the Accuser of the brethren, and how the accuser is cast forth to the earth. Have you noticed how the spirit of the accuser is becoming so evermore present daily. Just look at the CE&P forum. Those posting there just can't seem to help themselves. Accusing other daily, while they themselves should know better. They accuse others of sin who were not given the commandment, because they themselves are guilty of the same, but it is they who are the hypocrites, for they have accepted the commandment for themselves. So it is not those who know not God who are in transgression, but those who claim the commandments for themselves. They are the ones in transgression.

Now as you suggest, Eve was deceived, for the serpent was subtle, for it was a fruit to make one wise. For in in that day their eyes were opened, and they became as God, knowing good and evil. When caught, Adam's first reaction was to ACCUSE Eve of a sin, even though she was not the one given the commandment. The spirit of the accuser is being poured out in the world., and the law is his authority.

 

[Douglas Summers]

as I am sure that you know the scripture that say although Eve was deceived, it was Adam who was the one in transgression. Why? Because Adam was the one given the commandment, not Eve. And yet what do we find Adam doing in the story from the scriptures. Did he not try instead to blame Eve? For the women gave it to me and I did eat. Adam, the first accuser.

Hey ez, God created Adam and Eve on the same day (Gen. 1:24-27) (Eve was right there with Adam when He gave both Adam and Eve instructions) (Gen. 1:28) And God Blessed, THEM, (plural) and said unto THEM (plural).............(Gen. 1:28-31). Starting at Gen. 2:4, God then goes back and gives further details. Adam and Eve were co and equal rulers of the earth, THEN Eve was deceived or beguiled (Gen. 3:13) And that changed the equal rulership and God made Adam, ruler over the women (Gen. 3:16). Notice they were both afraid and hid themselves from God. (Gen. 3:8). And when God asked Adam what happened, He told God the Truth or exactly what happened. (Gen. 3:9-12). BTW, Eve was the first accuser (Gen. 3:13) For it was Eve that was deceived and in the transgression....not Adam (1 Tim. 2:13-14). But ez, the important thing that we teach and are witness to is the destiny of the natural man, in his present condition and the grace and love of God through the Gospel. If a man is blind to the first, he will not be looking for the second.

In God's mercy and grace to us in Jesus The Christ, with an unspeakable joy and peace to the soul, Amen and Amen.

 

[JLB]

You have no need that I post the scriptures for you, for you already know them. Chopper suggested in his OP that Jesus awaits at the end of the way for those who continue to walk the straight and narrow path. I said Jesus isn't found on the narrow path, he is found in the broad way.

And I asked you to provide scripture that teaches us Christ is not found on the straight and narrow path.

That way we can discern where your teaching comes from.


JLB

 

[JLB]

So there is no need for me to post any scriptures for you so that you can evaluate my doctrine, for it is not my doctrine.; And you already know the scriptures yourself. Is there a scripture that says you must walk the straight and narrow AFTER you have come to the LIFE in Christ? Would you characterize the law of Liberty in Christ to be a straight and narrow path? Or does the law of Liberty suggest a more broad way, where we are asked not to use our liberty as a cloak for maliciousness?

Those who are on the narrow path that leads to life, are their because Christ, our Lord is in us, leading us along the path of righteousness for His name sake, so if we are there, it is because He is there with us.

The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
3 He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. Psalm 23:1-4


If we are on the narrow way that leads to life, then He is there.


But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For He is the way....,


JLB

 

[ezrider]

Hey ez, God created Adam and Eve on the same day (Gen. 1:24-27) (Eve was right there with Adam when He gave both Adam and Eve instructions) (Gen. 1:28) And God Blessed, THEM, (plural) and said unto THEM (plural).............(Gen. 1:28-31). Starting at Gen. 2:4, God then goes back and gives further details. Adam and Eve were co and equal rulers of the earth, THEN Eve was deceived or beguiled (Gen. 3:13) And that changed the equal rulership and God made Adam, ruler over the women (Gen. 3:16). Notice they were both afraid and hid themselves from God. (Gen. 3:8). And when God asked Adam what happened, He told God the Truth or exactly what happened. (Gen. 3:9-12). BTW, Eve was the first accuser (Gen. 3:13) For it was Eve that was deceived and in the transgression....not Adam (1 Tim. 2:13-14). But ez, the important thing that we teach and are witness to is the destiny of the natural man, in his present condition and the grace and love of God through the Gospel. If a man is blind to the first, he will not be looking for the second.

In God's mercy and grace to us in Jesus The Christ, with an unspeakable joy and peace to the soul, Amen and Amen.

Hey Douglas, I mean no offense, but you should really ask your teacher about the second chapter of Genesis. You see, the word that I read said that the Garden was created for the man. And that in the Garden was the tree of Life, and the tree of Knowledge. Now maybe I'm going to have to go out and get a new Bible, because apparently my copy has some extra writing in it. Because mine says Adam was given the commandment not of eat the tree of knowledge, and then went on to name all the living creatures. But he had no help meet for him. It was after this that the Lord caused a deep sleep to come over him, and Eve was taken from Adam's rib. So in the version of the story found in the Bible on my bookshelf, Eve was not yet formed from Adam's rib when Adam was given the commandment to not eat of the tree of knowledge. So if Adam had no help meet when the commandment was given, then you will have to explain how Eve was right there with him at the time.

 

[ezrider]

If we are on the narrow way that leads to life, then He is there.


But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For He is the way....,

See, JLB, you don't need me to post the scriptures for you. You already know them. But the possibility exists that you don't understand them. But you said it, He is the way. Christ is the Way. Christ is not a path that leads you to Christ. Christ is the path. The schoolmaster provided the path the leads you to Christ; but after that you are no longer under the schoolmaster, you follow Christ.

Now the faith of some may be that they are still following the schoolmaster, and they have not yet come to their faith in Christ yet, and they find themselves trying to walk some straight and narrow road to find Christ. When they have found HIM, they will have entered in through the narrow gate. Likewise, with the faith that some have, they are afraid that if they stray from some straight and narrow path as set forth by the law, then they are no longer walking with Christ.

But I am fully persuade that nothing can separate us from the Love of God in Christ, neither life nor death. No not even the highest parts of heaven to the lowest depths of hell shall be able to separate us from the Love of God in Christ.

 

[th1b.taylor]

So there is no need for me to post any scriptures for you so that you can evaluate my doctrine, for it is not my doctrine.; And you already know the scriptures yourself. Is there a scripture that says you must walk the straight and narrow AFTER you have come to the LIFE in Christ? Would you characterize the law of Liberty in Christ to be a straight and narrow path? Or does the law of Liberty suggest a more broad way, where we are asked not to use our liberty as a cloak for maliciousness?

You have really corkscrewed the Gospel. Before my Salvation I was lost and reveled in my sin, but Jesus called me from my sins and onto, Spiritually, the Narrow Road that I would have a testimony to reach across the expanse and draw the Lost onto the Nqrrow Path.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Hey Douglas, I mean no offense, but you should really ask your teacher about the second chapter of Genesis. You see, the word that I read said that the Garden was created for the man. And that in the Garden was the tree of Life, and the tree of Knowledge. Now maybe I'm going to have to go out and get a new Bible, because apparently my copy has some extra writing in it. Because mine says Adam was given the commandment not of eat the tree of knowledge, and then went on to name all the living creatures. But he had no help meet for him. It was after this that the Lord caused a deep sleep to come over him, and Eve was taken from Adam's rib. So in the version of the story found in the Bible on my bookshelf, Eve was not yet formed from Adam's rib when Adam was given the commandment to not eat of the tree of knowledge. So if Adam had no help meet when the commandment was given, then you will have to explain how Eve was right there with him at the time.

Hay ez, The only way you can come up with your theory is to ignore The Scriptures I gave you. I'm OK with my teacher. (John 16:12-15) (1 Cor. 12:1-31). I can see that the things I share with you will never prevail to fruit as you have another teaching then the one I know. But keep your Bible, In Gen. 2:4, God fills in the details of the creation of (Chapters 1-2:3). You can't just use some Scripture and ignore others that complete the whole event. Pray before studying without the notion you already know things. Satan beguiled Eve by subtly taking the word of God and twisting the word of God to a suggestion instead of a warning. He still works that same guile today. If you do not believe that, Just take a stark look at the chaos of Christianity today. You reference my teacher as is in error, Same as Satan did to Eve. (Gen. 3:1-6) Study it.....Satan called God a liar. (Gen. 3:4)

 

[JLB]

Christ is the Way. Christ is not a path that leads you to Christ. Christ is the path.

If we are on the narrow way that leads to life, then He is there.


But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For He is the way....

way, path, highway, route all mean the same.


JLB

 

[Edward]

Within the Torah, there is so much godly instruction that helps us to stay on that narrow path that leads to LIFE. Yahshua is the Way, Truth, and Life. I have studied the Torah many times, and each time, Yahshua has revealed new wonderful instruction to me that draws me ever so close to my Abba Father's heart and His call to why He chose me to be His bond Servant to the sheep of His pasture.

There sure is Brother. I learned this just recently...well, to a new extent that is. Not only the Torah, but the entire old testament. Almost everything that happened to them back then was a harbinger of things to come...for us. So we are to take the examples in the OT and apply them to our today everyday circumstances for the life application and how to apply it. What to do, what not to do...they made mistakes too, all of them. That's ok though, for in their experience, is our guidance and instruction so it will work to the good for us all for we love God.

Lastly, I hope my using of the Paleo Hebrew names and words don't irritate or confuse. There are so many modern western mind set names which derive from pagan origin that I'm trying to use and teach. Once I know that a name for our Elohim has a pagan origin, I'm responsible to use the names that YHWH used when He wrote on the tablets and gave them to Moses. they are the most ancient words known to mankind.

Huh? What? Who?...For real, Brother? Oh that makes sense. As an aside would you post the (or some) common pagan names of Christ so that I can stop using them too? Please? Thank you Brother...Is the Name, Jesus, pagan?
Wow, that's good info Brother. Bless you.

 

[Chopper]

There sure is Brother. I learned this just recently...well, to a new extent that is. Not only the Torah, but the entire old testament. Almost everything that happened to them back then was a harbinger of things to come...for us. So we are to take the examples in the OT and apply them to our today everyday circumstances for the life application and how to apply it. What to do, what not to do...they made mistakes too, all of them. That's ok though, for in their experience, is our guidance and instruction so it will work to the good for us all for we love God.



Huh? What? Who?...For real, Brother? Oh that makes sense. As an aside would you post the (or some) common pagan names of Christ so that I can stop using them too? Please? Thank you Brother...Is the Name, Jesus, pagan?
Wow, that's good info Brother. Bless you.

Well, it always blesses my heart when someone, like you Edward, seeks Truth. First, the big one is god. It is the name of Satan. The name for him is gad, pronounced god. The proper early name for our Majesty on high is El, or YHWH, or Yahweh or Abba Father.... All three, are Elohim, and our Savior is Yahshua ha` Mashiah or Messiah. Christ is pagan.

For more info and the best ancient Bible available now is the "HalleluYah Scriptures" You can purchase one at www.halleluyahscriptures.com if you can't afford one, explain your difficulty, watch the video, and they'll send you one free. It's a little tough at first with all the original Hebrew words, but soon it all makes sense.

Check it out, and my Hebrew Teacher, Alan Horvath at You Tube Alan Horvath.com. will help.

 

[ezrider]

If we are on the narrow way that leads to life, then He is there.


But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For He is the way....

way, path, highway, route all mean the same.


JLB

And wherein have I said anything contrary. Did I not say Jesus it the WAY. Did I not say Jesus is the LIFE. Sounds like your in agreement with me then.

 

[JLB]

And wherein have I said anything contrary. Did I not say Jesus it the WAY. Did I not say Jesus is the LIFE. Sounds like your in agreement with me then.

Where you and I disagree, is your claim that Jesus is not found on the path or way that leads to life.

He is with those who are on that path.


JLB

 

[ezrider]

You have really corkscrewed the Gospel. Before my Salvation I was lost and reveled in my sin, but Jesus called me from my sins and onto, Spiritually, the Narrow Road that I would have a testimony to reach across the expanse and draw the Lost onto the Nqrrow Path.

If you were on that Spiritual narrow road, then you would have heard my words, for they are spirit. But how can you hear my words when you are yet carnal? I have seen your fruit in the current events forum. Playing the role of the accuser, posting daily glorying in the sins of others, occupying yourself with the things of this world and immersing yourself in all things carnal. Therefore I should not expect for you to hear my word, even though you know it to be true, for it can only be spiritually discerned.

Have you forgotten your walk with the Lord so easily. Can you not even hear your own words? When you were lost and reveled in sin........ When Jesus called to you, and you came to Him, if you were boozing it up and reveling in sin, would you say you found Jesus in the Broadway or the Narrow?

 

[ezrider]

Where you and I disagree, is your claim that Jesus is not found on the path or way that leads to life.

He is with those who are on that path.


JLB

I did not say he not with those on the narrow path.

What I said is if you are lost and you are looking for Jesus, you will not find Him in the narrow way, because HE is looking for you out in the broad way, that is where you will find Him. Once you have found HIM, and you have come to the narrow gate, of course HE is on the narrow road with you. BUT, if you should lose Him along the way, then you have lost the narrow way, and you will not be able to find it again on your own. You can only find Jesus in the broad way, and only HE can lead you back to the narrow path.