Bible Study Yahweh's Loving Instruction Thru The Torah.

[ezrider]

I thought idolatry was frowned upon upon.

 

[ezrider]

Straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it. If you are looking for Jesus, you will not find Him on the straight and narrow road, for he is the narrow road. Straight is the gate and narrow is the way. It is a door way into the city at the end of a tunnel. But how narrow is it? Well Jesus said it was so narrow that it would be impossible for a rich man to pass through. But how narrow is it? Well first of all you can't be materialistic about your possessions. They are of the flesh and will burn anyway. Secondly you must be willing to cast aside all your doctrines of men and show a willingness to question all of your beliefs. You must be willing to tear all of your beliefs to the ground; to question everything you know. And lastly, the pathway is so straight and so narrow, that you can not enter in until your faith grows strong enough so you can take off the blood stained covering that you wear; that is how straight and narrow the way is.

Straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it. Because Jesus is not found on the narrow road. And as the unwise virgins run to and fro seeking the word of God, they shall not find it. They shall not find it because the door has been shut. The call was made and the wise virgins answered, now the door has been shut.

Now some promise you a straight and narrow path that would lead you to Jesus where he awaits you with open and outstretched arms. That is because they have only known Jesus with his outstretched arms, nailed to the cross. It is the path that they know, it is a path that has brought them to the hope of salvation. It is a narrow path of repentance and resistance, and they only wish for you to walk in the path that they know leads to Jesus so that you might know their joy of salvation. Their hope is only for you to know Christ as they do, and so they want you to walk the narrow path that leads to the cross.

But my friends, while it is necessary that you must first walk that narrow path that leads to the cross, you must also know this: The cross is located on the outside of the city walls, but Jesus is no longer on the cross. He has risen, and he is inside the city. You may find him there. But I must tell you first, that the door has been shut. And while the unwise virgins run to and fro looking for it, they shall not find it, nor can they lead you there. They have brought you to the cross, but they can take you no further. They don't believe the door is shut, and they believe they know the way, but the way they know only points back to the cross, and so they run to and fro looking. The door is shut so that the unwise virgins can not find it. But if I can let you in on a little secret that they don't know: Although the door is already shut, it will be opened to you upon the acceptance of an invitation. But shhh, it's a secret, don't tell anyone.

Straight is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life; and few there be that find it.

 

[Paoli S.]

Nice story.
But is it ALL according to scripture?
You should have included references to the Word.
(That's the only way one can double check your writings).

I think the "rich man" not being able to go through the gate
refers to the most religious man wanting to enter on the
principle of merit (works) and status.

 

[ezrider]

Nice story.
But is it ALL according to scripture?
You should have included references to the Word.
(That's the only way one can double check your writings).

I think the "rich man" not being able to go through the gate
refers to the most religious man wanting to enter on the
principle of merit (works) and status.

My apologies, but the Spirit doesn't move through scripture references for me. I can only express the word as it rests upon my heart. But I can assure you, that ALL is according to scripture. When the Bereans heard the word, they search the scriptures daily to see if what they heard was true.

Perhaps you could list the scriptures for those things you know to be true, and then I will provide scriptures for that which you question and can not find yourself.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

I thought idolatry was frowned upon upon.

Is a picture an idol?

 

[Paoli S.]

Is a picture an idol?

For you it seems to be.
For me? No.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

For you it seems to be.
For me? No.

How presumptive. I merely asked a question.And not of you, I might add.

 

[Paoli S.]

My apologies, but the Spirit doesn't move through scripture references for me. I can only express the word as it rests upon my heart. But I can assure you, that ALL is according to scripture. When the Bereans heard the word, they search the scriptures daily to see if what they heard was true.

Perhaps you could list the scriptures for those things you know to be true, and then I will provide scriptures for that which you question and can not find yourself.

Well....you posted it, so you should back it up.....
"Teachers" should back up their position with the Word of God.

 

[Paoli S.]

How presumptive. I merely asked a question.And not of you, I might add.

You picture is childish and so are you.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

You picture is childish and so are you.

I pray your hostility and confusion abates.

 

[Paoli S.]

.By Ezrider: "...but the Spirit doesn't move through scripture references for me..."

This is where my alarm bells started ringing.

 

[JLB]

My apologies, but the Spirit doesn't move through scripture references for me.

The Spirit of God inspired the scriptures.

If your teachings don't align with the scriptures then where do they come from?

Do you believe Jesus Christ is Lord?


JLB

 

[ezrider]

My apologies, but the Spirit doesn't move through scripture references for me.

This is where my alarm bells started ringing.

If you have ever watched Jack Van Impe, you would know what I meant by moving through scripture "references." References with no understanding. You have a Bible, you are capable of searching the scriptures for yourself as did the Bereans. If you can not be as the Bereans, then your intent is not to listen to the word of God, but rather to sit in judgement over it. Are you the Judge of God that you should judge His Word?

You can't hear the words of God when you are sitting in judgement over those very words.

 

[Paoli S.]

I have met all kinds of people who never quote scriptures.
They claim "The Lord told me" - "God told me" - "The Holy Spirit told me" and after that they never quote scriptures to back up what they are saying. Usually they are cult members going after people to push their statements. So, yes, I'm not like the Bereans because I just don't have the time to check out your writings. So.....maybe "The Spirit told me your statements don't line up with scripture. Lol. I can play the same game as you'r doing. ;-) I'm not saying you are wrong on everything. It's just that the bells went off so to speak. (most of the time that's a good warning)

No, I'm not the judge of God that I should should judge His word.
But so far you have not been giving any evidence of His Word by quoting it.

As soon as I have more time I will check some of your statements against scripture.
I'm off to church right now.
Bless you.

 

[ezrider]

No, he is spewing Propaganda for the very passages he abuses, instruct us to seek Heaven and there, Jesus, our Master.

No Bill. the spewing of propaganda is what you do over in the CE&P forum daily. Pushing hatred of liberals for being liberals, and a love for the great orange dragon and the accuser of the brethren. But how could you understand my words when you are yet carnal? How could you begin to understand the Glory of the Lord when by your own actions and fruit are drawn toward glorying in the flesh and the sins of others.

But by your words, you call yourself a servant. A Bond Servant to your MASTER. Why do you still practice the doctrines of Baalam? Do you not understand the role of a SERVANT?

A Servant is just the carrier pigeon. The carrier pigeon is given a message. It is strapped to the thigh of the pigeon by its master and sent off to carry the message to another party. The Servant is given a message to carry, but it is not given to the servant to understand the message, only to carry it as he is commanded to do. The servant does not question his master, and the servant does not speak for his master. The servant is a carrier pigeon, he is only meant to carry a message; it is not given to him to understand the message, only deliver it.

But a Son on the other hand does not have a Master, he has a Father. Now because the Son has a relationship with the Father, he is able to freely ask questions of his Father message, to make sure that he understands it correctly. The understanding of the message that the servant delivered was intended for the Son, not the carrier pigeon who thinks of himself an eagle.

A servant is supposed to know his place and follow the commands of his Master, not question them. But a Servant should also know that the Son can speak on his Father's behalf, and a Son has authority over his Father's servants. A Son has authority over the servants, and it might also be wise to listen to the his bride as well.

But you are a servant and you are yet carnal, my words are of the Spirit. The servants aren't meant hear them, because they still see themselves as servants. They only know Him as a Master, and call Him by the name Baali. But Ishi remains far from them.

 

[GodsGrace]

Nothing wrong with the law, just no one could keep it. Not with a sin nature, the law pointed the sin nature out. When men under the law failed they thought it was just because they had just failed.
They did not know what made them fail, other than disobedience to the law. They knew they sinned but did not know anything about a sin nature.
So the law is Holy, given by God.
The greater thing that was hidden from their minds was that God had in him a plan to be Father. More than just an angry Old Testament God of times past Hebrews 1:1-2,
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Same God, different attributes, and a birthing would enter into His way of handling humanity.

John 19:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Greater than anything He is Father to all that believe on the name of His Son.

Hi Soul man,
Just looking through and I caught this...Sorry if it's been addressed.

You said:
Same God, different attributes, and a birthing would enter into His way of handling humanity. (my highlight)

Did you just state that God's attributes have changed??

And men in the Old Covenant did not fail because of the sin nature alone...
We still fail, we still have the sin nature.

They failed because they had no motivation to succeed ... the love for Jesus.
They didn't have the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to obey.

God was not angry in the old testament and loving in the new...
God is the same God, yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
John 1:1
Hosea 6:6
Mathew 21:13

Jesus always existed from the beginning.
God always desired love and mercy.
Jesus was angry many times - He even made a fig tree whither.

 

[Runner]

Ah, yes, yet another edifying thread in which Christians demonstrate the fruits of the Spirit for all the world to see. I periodically visit a variety of forums because they are such interesting little studies in abnormal psychology, but does anyone seriously believe a thread such as this - which is, alas, a very typical thread (and on a non-debate forum, no less!) - actually contributes to his or her spiritual growth? Does anyone actually believe this discussion is anything other than a complete embarrassment to Christianity? "Christianity" of this sort is a bad joke. The fact that the participants don;t seem to realize it is why I describe forums such as this as interesting little studies in abnormal psychology. John 11:35 - there, I have contributed my obligatory Bible verse (out of context, of course, but it fits). I actually think if I were the owner of a site such as this, I'd pull the plug.

 

[ezrider]

Is a picture an idol?

For you it seems to be.
For me? No.

Yes, the picture is an idol. Why don'y you know that. You shall have no other God's before you, you shall make unto yourself no graven images. And yet you post an image of what you believe to be Jesus, as did another poster. The image of God is not the image of a man. Can you make your pictures speak? What you don't know is that is because you see Jesus in this picture, then because of your idolatry there remains a vail upon your heart.

But like Paoli said. For you the picture seem to be an idol, but for me? No. It is a picture. It is not Jesus in the picture. His body was destroyed so that you can not make an image of him. So is a picture and Idol? Not if it's just a picture. But if it is a picture of Jesus for you, then yes, it is and an image and an idol you have placed before the Lord God, no different than a golden calf.

 

[Runner]

That's a shame. Please do the same for myself. As I would rather be ignored so as not to be personally attacked by the spirit that compels the puerile.

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Would that be the Demon of Puerility?

Awe struck. The first and self implication overlooked, but not overcome in the latter.

May the Spirit of Intelligibility fill your soul, because right now the Demon of Incomprehensibility appears to be influencing your posts.

 

[Soul man]

Hi Soul man,
Just looking through and I caught this...Sorry if it's been addressed.

You said:
Same God, different attributes, and a birthing would enter into His way of handling humanity. (my highlight)

Did you just state that God's attributes have changed??

And men in the Old Covenant did not fail because of the sin nature alone...
We still fail, we still have the sin nature.

They failed because they had no motivation to succeed ... the love for Jesus.
They didn't have the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to obey.

God was not angry in the old testament and loving in the new...
God is the same God, yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
John 1:1
Hosea 6:6
Mathew 21:13

Jesus always existed from the beginning.
God always desired love and mercy.
Jesus was angry many times - He even made a fig tree whither.

I'm not for sure I understand your question. I'll say it like this "God could not express His Fatherly attributes in the Old Testament because there was none to express them to. Do you understand what I'm saying, There were no born again in the Old Testament. Believers today can think God is still dealing with us like He did with those in the Old Testament, that is error. He, as our Father who birthed us handles us according. Hope that helps.