Bible Study Your takeaway from “The Parable of the Tares”

[Jethro Bodine]

If all are sinners and sin is of the devil, the math on this matter is pretty easy to comprehend. Though not many are fond of hearing it, granted. It is no wonder to me "why" that is, when viewing the "other party" to the equations.

ToS 2.4

The husk surrounding the grain on the wheat stalk is what represents the fleshly evil in the believer. But you have the other growth in the kingdom of God altogether--the tare--representing the believer.

 

[smaller]

If we understand, (whether we initially do or not is irrelevant) His Seed is "imperishable" and "incorruptible" we will see His Seed grows regardless of the circumstances in which HE is planted.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[smaller]

ToS 2.4
The husk surrounding the grain on the wheat stalk is what represents the fleshly evil in the believer. But you have the other growth in the kingdom of God altogether--the tare--representing the believer.

If that is what you think you are hearing, you are not hearing anything like that from me. I've never ever made such a claim or representation.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If that is what you think you are hearing, you are not hearing anything like that from me. I've never ever made such a claim or representation.

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Seriously, why do I keep posting in this forum?

 

[smaller]

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Seriously, why do I keep posting in this forum?

It might seem appropriate to cite accurately when making claims about what others say.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It might seem appropriate to cite accurately when making claims about what others say.

So you are now suggesting the tare does NOT represent the believer???
Good grief, smaller!

 

[smaller]

So now you are now suggesting the tare does NOT represent the believer???
Good grief, smaller!

Show me one place where I've claimed a believer to be "a tare." I've clearly distinguished the tare as "the devil" or his children (demons) in every citing.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Show me one place where I've claimed a believer to be "a tare." I've clearly distinguished the tare as "the devil" or his children (demons) in every citing.

You've got tares equated with believers.
You are either a stalk of wheat, or you are a tare.
You can not be both.
But you can surely be a head of wheat which has a hardened, unpalatable outer husk that is discarded at harvest time at the end of the age.
Please, stop equating believers with tares. Tares are the sons of the devil. Believers are not sons of the devil!

 

[smaller]

You've got tares equated with believers.

Never said such a thing.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Never said such a thing.

When you say tares are growing inside of believers you are in fact doing such a thing. Stop it!
We are plantings of God--stalks of wheat, not planting of the devil, the tares.
If you want to talk about the weeds that grow in the hearts of believers wait for a thread about the 'parable of the sower'.
Tares in this parable in this thread are SONS OF THE DEVIL. No son of God is a son of the devil, or has a son of the devil inside of him.

 

[smaller]

When you say tares are growing inside of believers you are in fact doing such a thing. Stop it!

I really have no idea what you think you are hearing Jethro, but it's certainly not anything I've said.

So I might suggest you turn off the imaginary voice claiming to be what I said because it doesn't exist from my end, was never said and never happened from my end.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Show me one place where I've claimed a believer to be "a tare." I've clearly distinguished the tare as "the devil" or his children (demons) in every citing.

Smaller - there are actually people who are children of the devil. In John 8:42-47, Jesus was talking to people, not demons

 

[smaller]

Smaller - there are actually people who are children of the devil. In John 8:42-47, Jesus was talking to people, not demons

People are not devils. Sorry. And there are no devils converted into children of God either, if that is what you think. There is no such thing as satanic or demonic salvation or conversion.

When people are saved, they are turned from the power of Satan. Acts 26:18, not converted from being Satan or a devil into a child of God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Smaller - there are actually people who are children of the devil. In John 8:42-47, Jesus was talking to people, not demons

All smaller has to do is acknowledge this simple fact and he will see where his doctrine errs.

 

[LovethroughDove]

People are not devils. Sorry.

I know. He was talking to people who have the father of lies as their father.

 

[smaller]

All smaller has to do is acknowledge this simple fact and he will see where his doctrine errs.

Uh, no, I do not believe that Jesus was sent here to save devils, to turn devils into children of God, or to provide Satanic salvation. There is nothing like that anywhere in the scriptures.

The devil and demons are a separate entity class that are not people.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...there are no devils converted into children of God...

Right.
There are CHILDREN of the devil converted into children of God.

...not converted from being Satan or a devil into a child of God.

Right.
Converted from being a CHILD of satan, or a CHILD of the devil, into a child of God.

It's interesting how you leave out this important point.

 

[smaller]

I know. He was talking to people who have the father of lies as their father.

People are not demons either. Jesus "separated" these parties, one from another. And in some cases, He didn't and chose not to, such as with the Pharisee's in question in John 8:44. He Purposefully allowed the devils children to reign over the minds of those men.

 

[smaller]

Right.
There are CHILDREN of the devil converted into children of God.
Right.
Converted from being a CHILD of satan, or a CHILD of the devil, into a child of God.
It's interesting how you leave out this important point.

There is no such theological position as demonic salvation or demonic conversion.

 

[LovethroughDove]

The devil and demons are a separate entity class that are not people.

1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.