What's wrong with right wing politics you ask?

[Jethro Bodine]

I suppose if you think that having a 2 person income hasn't caused families a whole lot of trouble then I can't help you go ahead and continue to believe this system is set up for the best for all involved and kids coming home without supervision is what's best. After all, I don't have children and maybe it's ok, but in my experience of not having parents home - it was a disaster.

In all fairness, I'm not sure TOG is categorically endorsing two income families.

 

[Mike S]

How is the fundamental idea (not the way the idea gets implemented) of government making sure one income families can compete for goods and services with two income families somehow political favoritism?

It's a fundamental misunderstanding of society to think you, or any government bureaucrat, can know better than the aggregated decisions of millions of voluntary interactions in free markets what works for the greater social good over time. Hayek recognized this as the "fatal conceit" of all socialist systems.

Over the last hundred years or so the American economy has become one of the most heavily regulated in the industrialized world, absolutely replete with the mechanisms you seem to like, using government manipulations to "balance" society. So, what you complain about in society can be laid directly at the feet of policies you say you want to see in place. Isn't it wonderful that some of us have such faith in using government policies to correct problems that were created by earlier government policies, which were themselves put into place to correct problems created by even earlier government policies! It's like an endless loop of firemen setting fires so they can be seen as heroes for helping to put them out.

 

[Jesse]

In all fairness, I'm not sure TOG is categorically endorsing two income families.

He endorses everything that the left has created - which is a nightmare.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I am confident that Bill Gates is, personally, an extremely liberal (left) fellow.

 

[TOG]

I suppose if you think that having a 2 person income hasn't caused families a whole lot of trouble then I can't help you go ahead and continue to believe this system is set up for the best for all involved and kids coming home without supervision is what's best. After all, I don't have children and maybe it's ok, but in my experience of not having parents home - it was a disaster.

Do you think you can reply without putting words in my mouth? Maybe that's too much to ask. You seem to be against what you call "the left's women's lib", and I was pointing out that women need to have equal rights with men.

The TOG​

 

[TOG]

He endorses everything that the left has created - which is a nightmare.

I guess I can stop posting then, since you can read my mind and tell everyone what I think.

The TOG​

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It's a fundamental misunderstanding of society to think you, or any government bureaucrat, can know better than the aggregated decisions of millions of voluntary interactions in free markets what works for the greater social good over time. Hayek recognized this as the "fatal conceit" of all socialist systems.

Giving a tax break to companies to voluntarily do business in profitless, but essential, sectors of business is socialism?

Over the last hundred years or so the American economy has become one of the most heavily regulated in the industrialized world, absolutely replete with the mechanisms you seem to like, using government manipulations to "balance" society.

You haven't been understanding what 'mechanisms' I'm endorsing. Apparently you can only understand them in terms of what the left has been implementing for 45 years now.

So, what you complain about in society can be laid directly at the feet of policies you say you want to see in place. Isn't it wonderful that some of us have such faith in using government policies to correct problems that were created by earlier government policies, which were themselves put into place to correct problems created by even earlier government policies! It's like an endless loop of firemen setting fires so they can be seen as heroes for helping to put them out.

You seem oblivious to the fact that I'm suggesting we do something very different than what the left has been doing to this country. You hear 'government intervention' and you suddenly go into a blind rage.

You are deceived if you think business left to itself is somehow any better than business burdened by the weight of leftist regulation.

 

[Mike S]

In the end, the only thing I can think of why anyone would resist what I said about the necessity of government to fairly and honestly make it so goods and services are attainable through a 40 hour a week job, alone, is.........greed. And that is precisely what I see in the right wing. The thinking being, why should I build a car for 20% of the population and make less money when I can continue to only build cars for 80% of the population and make good money.

Actually, there's an enormous range of cars available from very inexpensive to some costing multiple millions. If you want government involvement, I can hardly wait until the government is done mandating what's good for society be copying their health-care model in the auto industry. There will be so many mandates that it will be illegal for auto companies to offer anything less than a Mercedes Benz. Then government can move on to wrecking the housing market? and food industry? Oh wait, Michelle Obama is already working on that food thing.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hey, folks, let's all go back to the way things were in 1900--complete unhindered freedom of big business! Yeah, sign me up, baby!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Actually, there's an enormous range of cars available from very inexpensive to some costing multiple millions. If you want government involvement, I can hardly wait until the government is done mandating what's good for society be copying their health-care model in the auto industry. There will be so many mandates that it will be illegal for auto companies to offer anything less than a Mercedes Benz. Then government can move on to wrecking the housing market? and food industry? Oh wait, Michelle Obama is already working on that food thing.

What a misguided, knee-jerk, fear mongering reaction to what I'm saying. But that's how politics works in this 'Christian' nation these days.

 

[Mike S]

Giving a tax break to companies to voluntarily do business in a profitless, but essential, sectors of business is socialism?

Actually, it's crony capitalism, or the economic aspects of Fascism.

You haven't been understanding what 'mechanisms' I'm endorsing. Apparently you can only understand them in terms of what the left has been implementing for 45 years now.

You seem oblivious to the fact that I'm suggesting we do something very different than what the left has been doing to this country. You hear 'government intervention' and you suddenly go into a blind rage.

You are deceived if you think business left to itself is somehow any better than business burdened by the weight of leftist regulation.

This is the fatal flaw of all liberal thought. You assume that if you get the right people with the right ideas into power, government will be a wonderful instrument of good. And, of course, good intentions will be more powerful than the corrupting influence of power.

There's a reason why our founding fathers created a Constitution that limits the power of government. They understood the danger of giving government the power to "balance" society.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Actually, it's crony capitalism, or the economic aspects of Fascism.





This is the fatal flaw of all liberal thought. You assume that if you get the right people with the right ideas into power, government will be a wonderful instrument of good. And, of course, good intentions will be more powerful than the corrupting influence of power.

There's a reason why our founding fathers created a Constitution that limits the power of government. They understood the danger of giving government the power to "balance" society.

Be honest. I'm mean really honest. Are you among the 20% of people who have NEVER had government assistance of ANY kind?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If Ronald Reagan was a liberal, then I guess so am I.

 

[Deborah13]

The right has to have someone on their side!

A greater amount of money goes to the left.

"The 2010 Citizens United ruling, the Supreme Court decision that paved the way for corporations to donate unrestricted funding to candidates, has had a profound effect on the huge sums spent on elections and is "directly traceable" to the spike in spending, Lawrence Norden, a deputy director for New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, told ABC News. Both Super PACS and more elusive "dark money" groups, which are classified as non-profit organizations and don't have to send their donor lists to the Federal Election Commission (FEC), have benefited from Citizens United. This year, dark money groups have spent $200 million in 11 of the most competitive Senate races, nearly double the amount they forked out in 2012, ABC News reports."
http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-outspend-democrats-most-expensive-midterms-ever-282154

This ruling made Obama so upset he publicly, in his State of a Union address, reamed out the Supreme Court justices to their faces. I hardly think he did that because it was good for the left.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Be honest. I'm mean really honest. Are you among the 20% of people who have NEVER had government assistance of ANY kind?

Mike?

YooHoo!

Mike?

Are you still there?

 

[Mike S]

Mike?

YooHoo!

Mike?

Are you still there?

Sorry, had to sign off to do other things.


Have I ever received government assistance? I suppose so, in the form of the GI bill, and now, of course, Medicare., the first of which was simply part of my military compensation, and the second, mandatory. BTW, even though I'm forced to participate in Medicare, my primary insurance is provided through a private insurance policy.

But, whether or not I, or anyone else, has received government assistance in a system that has so grown up around assistance that it's nearly impossible to avoid, isn't really the issue. The issue is whether or not there should be a system built around government assistance. I think there shouldn't be, and I'd gladly forsake such assistance in order to see a system closer to the original concept of limited government.

This doesn't help you answer the question I asked of you, does it? What is the limiting principle of government designed to balance society? Once you make the decision to use government that way, where is the line where you say "Enough, no more. Government is doing enough and shouldn't do more." The correct answer, BTW, it that without a Constitution limiting the power of government there isn't any such limiting principle. The tendency for such governments is to become totalitarian.

 

[Jesse]

"The 2010 Citizens United ruling, the Supreme Court decision that paved the way for corporations to donate unrestricted funding to candidates, has had a profound effect on the huge sums spent on elections and is "directly traceable" to the spike in spending, Lawrence Norden, a deputy director for New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, told ABC News. Both Super PACS and more elusive "dark money" groups, which are classified as non-profit organizations and don't have to send their donor lists to the Federal Election Commission (FEC), have benefited from Citizens United. This year, dark money groups have spent $200 million in 11 of the most competitive Senate races, nearly double the amount they forked out in 2012, ABC News reports."
http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-outspend-democrats-most-expensive-midterms-ever-282154

This ruling made Obama so upset he publicly, in his State of a Union address, reamed out the Supreme Court justices to their faces. I hardly think he did that because it was good for the left.

Obama says one thing and does something entirely different. He is not as he seems to appear to some people.

Whatever comes out of his mouth....is a lie.

 

[TOG]

Obama says one thing and does something entirely different. He is not as he seems to appear to some people.

Whatever comes out of his mouth....is a lie.

That's a good description of pretty much any politician, right or left, American or any other country.

The TOG​

 

[Deborah13]

Obama says one thing and does something entirely different. He is not as he seems to appear to some people.

Whatever comes out of his mouth....is a lie.

How many conservatives where on the bench when this ruling was given?
Do you believe this ruling was inline with our Constitution?

 

[jasonc]

I don't know what has changed in usage from before legalization and afterwards. I've seen reports that say yes and others no.
And then people who would never admit using before and now will. And it must be a report that only considers recreational use.
I think it will be awhile before we will really know the effects of legalization.
If all drugs were legalized would people who don't use them now, use them if they were legal? I think that is the real question. To me if something is stupid it's stupid whether it's legal or not. It's quite apparent to me that the drug usage problem is huge now and nothing we have done has curbed it at all.
So would it get worse? I don't know. The psychology of people comes into play.
We spent a gazillion dollars fighting it to no avail. Put people in prison rather than getting them help if they are addicted. Then there is the whole gang and illegal drug combo wrecking havoc. The Mexican drug cartels, it would be nice to put them out of business and get them off the streets.

good luck, crime pays if it didn't people wouldn't do it. what im saying is that most of the users that use drugs wont work. whom would support them? and also whom would pay for that rehab. alcohol taxes are small compared to the costs of its abuse and its far worse then tobacco.