Do Denominational Differences Really Matter?

[Kidron]

Doesn't eliminate what Peter said, which IS a scriptural, spiritual fact that doesn't apply just to "Jews."

"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him"
Your descriptive. Scripture has never been against "anyone" who does good.
Especially so if it steps on pet doctrines, eh?
Again, no. The Spirit of God in Christ is very specifically against, and will always be against HYPOCRISY, which Jesus also "condemned" and for which Peter was berated for, as "condemned." So, yes, that encounter was also "inspired" by the Spirit, and not just a couple of random guy/Apostles arguing about "food laws."
John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.Your insistence of faith that saves, but actually doesn't do any "good" I might not consider all that much of faith, as faith "works" through "LOVE."
I read it very specifically as "are accepted with himI don't have any doubt that this axiom has always applied people in every nation, though God specifically "dealt" with the people of Israel.
"in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
You seem to have a great deal of trouble harmonizing the Apostles, and instead, diminish their statements as if they are in conflict with each others. That is not a requirement of the Gospel. All these men of faith spoke and TAUGHT straight out of the O.T.
The GOSPEL was delivered to the GENTILES a long long way back. Isaiah 11 and 42 being a great examples. It just fell on a LOT of deaf ears, perhaps purposefully so.

Doesn't eliminate what Peter said, which IS a scriptural, spiritual fact that doesn't apply just to "Jews."

Im not eliminating what Peter said, im explaining to you why he said it.



"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him"

"We conclude that a man is justified by FAITH"



Your descriptive. Scripture has never been against "anyone" who does good.

As i said, God tells us to be holy, but this is not to be saved or to stay saved.


Especially so if it steps on pet doctrines, eh?

Why would you think what Paul teaches is anyone's "pet doctrine".
Thats very strange that you think this, Smaller.


Again, no. The Spirit of God in Christ is very specifically against, and will always be against HYPOCRISY, which Jesus also "condemned" and for which Peter was berated for, as "condemned." So, yes, that encounter was also "inspired" by the Spirit, and not just a couple of random guy/Apostles arguing about "food laws."

Can you prove the encounter you described was inspired by the Spirit?
Go ahead and try to prove that it was the Spirit of God that was making Peter hide himself among the jews.
Take your time with that, smaller, as you'll need it.


John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The reason a thinking rational person understands that this verse you quoted is not talking about Salvation, is simply because every single person has done both good and bad.
So, the "done good", has to mean something other then behavior.....and the answer is....."Received Christ" or not.


Your insistence of faith that saves, but actually doesn't do any "good" I might not consider all that much of faith, as faith "works" through "LOVE."

Faith does not save you.
God saves you, using the Blood atonement as the basis and your Faith as the means that God accepts.
Hence the term....."Grace THROUGH Faith".


I read it very specifically as "are accepted with him."

You read it perfectly and misunderstood it completely.


I don't have any doubt that this axiom has always applied people in every nation, though God specifically "dealt" with the people of Israel.
"in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

God does not accept people based on their behavior, He accepts them ONLY based on what Christ did on a Cross being applied to them because of their FAITH.
This is salvation.
Its odd that you dont understand it, smaller.


16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Yes, they are judged based on the "Gospel" of the grace of God, that Paul taught.
And this Gospel creates 2 types of people.
The saved, who have trusted Christ, and the unsaved who are the Christ rejectors who are damned.



You seem to have a great deal of trouble harmonizing the Apostles, and instead, diminish their statements as if they are in conflict with each others. That is not a requirement of the Gospel. All these men of faith spoke and TAUGHT straight out of the O.T.


I would never diminish anything an Apostle said, but i will also not make the biblical exegesis mistakes that you continue to make, by refusing to realize or even acknowledge that God told you to "rightly divide the word".
The fact is, James and Peter and all of the 11, didnt have the revelation of the Grace of God until Paul showed up.
And this is why some of the Apostle's early letters or comments have no understanding of "Grace through Faith".
However, this does not explain why you dont have it.




The GOSPEL was delivered to the GENTILES a long long way back. Isaiah 11 and 42 being a great examples. It just fell on a LOT of deaf ears, perhaps purposefully so.


The Gospel that we preach cant be delivered until Jesus dies on a Cross.
Dont you know this?
See, there has to be a blood atonement of the sinless >God man< before eternal justification can be offered.

Also, dont you find it interesting that Peter a JEW, who is a lot more familiar with the Torah then you, would have no idea that salvation could be given to the gentiles?
No doubt he's read Isaiah 11 and 42.
And dont you find it interesting that the Son of God himself was sent to the "house of Israel", and not to the gentiles regarding salvation, until AFTER he died on a Cross?
Thats interesting, isnt it?
This is why Paul had to come......as he was specifically chosen by Jesus to deliver the "good news" of salvation, to the Gentiles.

 

[smaller]

Im not eliminating what Peter said, im explaining to you why he said it.

Your "why" would be irrelevant to me. I can read what "inspired Words" said and let them stand, as stated.
"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him"

As i said, God tells us to be holy, but this is not to be saved or to stay saved.

If you've managed to see where I've condemned anyone who has 'faith' you'll be hard pressed to find any such statements from me. I'm certainly NOT against anyone who does GOOD either, and I don't think Jesus is either.

In John 5 Jesus Himself tells us "how" this will come down:

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

And, in that LIGHT, I suspect that Jesus will be far and VASTLY more "GRACIOUS" than the majority of religious technocrats.

 

[Kidron]

Your "why" would be irrelevant to me. I can read what "inspired Words" said and let them stand, as stated.
"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him"
If you've managed to see where I've condemned anyone who has 'faith' you'll be hard pressed to find any such statements from me. I'm certainly NOT against anyone who does GOOD either, and I don't think Jesus is either.
In John 5 Jesus Himself tells us "how" this will come down:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.And, in that LIGHT, I suspect that Jesus will be far and VASTLY more "GRACIOUS" than the majority of religious technocrats.

Your "why" would be irrelevant to me.

What i wrote to you is based on your erroneous statement concerning what i originally showed you.
I merely updated you, for your benefit.


If you've managed to see where I've condemned anyone who has 'faith' you'll be hard pressed to find any such statements from me. I'm certainly NOT against anyone who does GOOD either, and I don't think Jesus is either.


Well, great, now that you've agreed that Peter is not preaching "justification by Faith", because he didnt know it in Acts 10, then im certain you are not someone who believes a Christian can lose their salvation because they are not working good works to be saved or to stay saved.
If you were doing that, then you would be just as behind in your revelation of salvation as Peter was behind in His, in Acts 10.
Thank Goodness you are not one of those heretics, who are running around today causing trouble everywhere they show up on a Christian Forum.


In John 5 Jesus Himself tells us "how" this will come down:

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Ah, i see that you need more clues to understand Jesus's specifics.
Ok.

Jesus said this..

John 8:24 ► """"""I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the Messiah, you will indeed die in your sins."""

There you go smaller, that is how you do a "done good" that keeps you from being DAMNED.
The "done good" is.....**BELIEVE** that Jesus is the Messiah who died on a Cross for your sins.
And this is what Paul teaches, and not what James in his epistle, or Peter in Acts 10, knew anything about.

** Gospel.

 

[Free]

Paul was satisfied and rejoiced "however" Christ was preached, even if done falsely (in pretence.) And I believe Paul took that posture knowing that Jesus Is Able.

I forgot to address this directly earlier. This is a fairly significant error on your part regarding what Paul said. The context is clear that Paul is speaking of those who "preach Christ from envy and rivalry...out of selfish ambition, not sincerely" (Phil 1:15-17, ESV). Paul is not at all saying anything regarding preaching a false Christ but regarding those who are preaching the true Christ out of "selfish ambition."

Paul would most certainly have said something about a false Christ had that been what was being preached, just as he did about a false gospel.

I would speculate that God in Christ reaches out and saves a LOT of people who didn't have a clue about the "official Trinity construct" Free. Understanding the specifics of that construct does NOT save. Jesus Himself does SAVE, and does so without that as a prerequisite.

I never said anything about the Trinity but certainly God may show mercy on those who knew little or nothing of him or the deity of Christ. However, that cannot be said about those who do know better, having full access to his Word but yet purposely adding to it, changing it, and distorting it.

It depends on how high the intellectuals want to place that bar. If people believe that no one will be saved unless they have some exact formula for the Trinity figured out, I'd dare say they will be proven wrong. We are not saved by intellectualism.

Not saved by intellectualism, no, but there are certain things that must be believed in order to be saved.

What God Himself said is this:

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

God says rather a lot of things in his Word and we ought not go making doctrine by ignoring what may be inconvenient.

Yeah, well, when the church members are themselves, sinless, maybe you'd have a point. Morality doesn't equal salvation either, any more than having every jot and tittle of doctrine spot on. Every person that is saved is in fact a sinner, and remains so after salvation.

People that raise the standards of "morality" don't need God in Christ to be 'moral.'

What "christians" in general seem to struggle with is that the mere THOUGHT of sin, is in fact SIN. So, who want's to limbo themselves under that bar?

Matt. 5:28 will be entirely suitable to personally condemn the most ardent anti-homosexuals.

Sorry, none will slide under the non-sinner bar. No, not one.

The believers who look with covetousness upon their neighbors shiny antique car will be standing right next to the effeminate.

1 Cor. 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Titus 3:3
For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Romans 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

2 Corinthians 12:20
For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

1 Timothy 6:4
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

If ANYONE hasn't located themselves on the list yet, they just aren't looking.

I'm not sure how any of this address my point.

 

[smaller]

What i wrote to you is based on your erroneous statement concerning what i originally showed you.
I merely updated you, for your benefit.

No amounts of retro-analysis is going to change what Peter wrote or eliminate it, if that's your angle. Cornelius "was" accepted, PRIOR to knowing Christ as Christ was presented to him AFTER this, and that's all there is to it.

and fwiw, quote brackets are quite helpful to delineate a friendly conversation.

Well, great, now that you've agreed that Peter is not preaching "justification by Faith",

I don't see "doing righteousness" as being "against faith." They are in alignment. Nor do I buy the "do nothing" axioms of faith because we all know that "faith" actually "works" through love. Gal. 5:6, previously noted. Nor do I believe that faith is "do nothing" faith, though what good might be done "by faith" may be insignificantly sufficient, like giving a cup of cold water and not losing the reward.

because he didnt know it in Acts 10, then im certain you are not someone who believes a Christian can lose their salvation because they are not working good works to be saved or to stay saved.

No, I don't believe Jesus loses anyone who has "done good" by calling on Him to save themselves, nor is that even possible.

I think 'faith' is entirely sufficient, and is shown by "good" work(s). They are intimately joined, and NEVER permanently lost. I don't think it's unusual for people to "lose faith" in the constructs of people, for example many of us who may have departed from older sacerdotal systems, as matters of conscience.

If you were doing that, then you would be just as behind in your revelation of salvation as Peter was behind in His, in Acts 10.
Thank Goodness you are not one of those heretics, who are running around today causing trouble everywhere they show up on a Christian Forum.

I'm probably as far from "them" as I can get. It doesn't do me ANY good to try to figure out ways to condemn people. That's against my "faith." If big "I" want's Grace, then perhaps best learn to deploy same to others. If big "I" want's Mercy, then perhaps best learn to deploy same to others. If big "I" want's forgiveness, the perhaps best learn to "forgive" others.

That IS how it works with God in Christ, from my "experiences" of faith in Christ. I am SO NOT interested in condemning people.

Ah, i see that you need more clues to understand Jesus's specifics.
Ok.

Jesus said this..
John 8:24 ► """"""I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the Messiah, you will indeed die in your sins."""

There you go smaller, that is how you do a "done good" that keeps you from being DAMNED.
The "done good" is.....**BELIEVE** that Jesus is the Messiah who died on a Cross for your sins.
And this is what Paul teaches, and not what James in his epistle, or Peter in Acts 10, knew anything about.

Your banging a theological gong if you try to divide the Apostles. Paul is certainly NOT against 'works of love' through faith, showing and proving same. I don't think Paul was a "lip service faith" guy either. Is "done good" ONLY belief, as you claim?

I'd say belief or to believe is "done good" but that is not the only form of "done good" as we see with Cornelius being "accepted."

Billions of people will be judged apart from God in Christ on a "done good" basis, just as Jesus noted. Just because we have generally done a poor job at connecting them up to Jesus doesn't automatically mean such will be lost.

We can even see that enemies of the Gospel will be saved in Romans 11:25-32 as it pertains to unbelieving Israel, so

I expect, again, that God in Christ will be vastly "more" gracious than what most claim to think or to see. There is much more to be seen on the gracious side of the scriptural ledgers.

I think it's only the "evil" in "believers" hearts that keeps it from being seen. We're often our own worst enemies.

 

[smaller]

I forgot to address this directly earlier. This is a fairly significant error on your part regarding what Paul said. The context is clear that Paul is speaking of those who "preach Christ from envy and rivalry...out of selfish ambition, not sincerely" (Phil 1:15-17, ESV). Paul is not at all saying anything regarding preaching a false Christ but regarding those who are preaching the true Christ out of "selfish ambition."

The word I'm referring to is "pretence."

"a claim, especially a false or ambitious one."

Nice try to make it only the latter though.

Paul would most certainly have said something about a false Christ had that been what was being preached, just as he did about a false gospel.

There is no doubt that Paul took a huge amount of "friction" from various camps of "believers." He's not the easiest guy in the world to understand. Far from it.

I never said anything about the Trinity but certainly God may show mercy on those who knew little or nothing of him or the deity of Christ.

I not only agree, but HOPE that is the case. We are "requested" to deal mercifully with others, especially if we desire to have same ourselves.

I happily follow after the fathers of faith in the determinations of Trinitarian understandings...but there is a big BUT attached, in that cutting out tongues, burning people at the stake and torturing them is not and can not be the end result of "sound doctrine." In that exercise such "men of faith" did us all a great disservice.

However, that cannot be said about those who do know better, having full access to his Word but yet purposely adding to it, changing it, and distorting it.

Again, I would agree. Tampering with the evidence is just not cool.

Not saved by intellectualism, no, but there are certain things that must be believed in order to be saved.

We may disagree at this juncture. We've all witnessed with our own eyes, scores of people respond to simple altar calls, not knowing much of anything.

I do not believe in the "high bar" intellectual pursuits Gospel and consider it quite worthless, self serving and purposefully dividing on many counts.

General coagulation around some basics is about as far as this is capable of.

God says rather a lot of things in his Word and we ought not go making doctrine by ignoring what may be inconvenient.

Priority of doctrines may be a more interesting matter.

I think Paul was abundantly clear that if we don't have and give love, whatever else we think we might have might not seem to matter much.

Gal. 5:6, and 1 Cor. 13. without love, "I have nothing" "I gain/profit nothing."

When sound doctrine turns away from this priority, it is meaningless and worthless.

 

[ezra]

there is nothing wrong with denominations provided its Christ that is lifted up instead of the denom.. here lies a big problem among denoms they all to some degree . feel they are the supreme authority in church and scriptures. most seldom will not acknowledge the other Churches . the pastors will not preach out side their denom or allow any outside there denom to preach. i understand the need to protect the pulpit . but if one is truly called of God they should respect the others belief . not bring out any thing that goes against the grain. they are hundreds of topics to preach on w/o upsetting the church members. its a sad day when we have division in the Body of Christ. we should be able to worship together and be the church Christ wanted us to be one in him.. can i get a amen

 

[Webb]

Paul wrote "when you read you may understand". If all religious groups really taught the scripture we would have the oneness ( without denominations ) for which Jesus prayed and for which Paul plead.

God bless,
w.
Rom.16:16
TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT OR JEW - WEBB

 

[ezra]

Paul wrote "when you read you may understand". If all religious groups really taught the scripture we would have the oneness ( without denominations ) for which Jesus prayed and for which Paul plead.

God bless,
w.
Rom.16:16
TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT OR JEW - WEBB

i agree but each one teaches the right scriptures . dont get me wrong dont believe in a universal church. we the body of Christ should be able come together for community worship and fellow ship pray for each other

 

[Nick]

They maybe have gone a bit crazy on there wrong interpretations but they are no different from everyone else debating over scripture and saying what they think it means.

Yes, they are different, because they are wrong. They clearly go against core teachings.

How many pastors are correct when teaching revelation to there church?. They go a bit over the top as well. And people on this site interpreting the bible.

It's not about being 100% correct. It's about core beliefs. This thread is about denominational differences. Say, baptists and Lutherans. They are different denominations and disagree on a few minor things. Other groups like Mormons or JWs disagree on a LOT more. The line is drawn.

If JW and Mormon believe in the birth,death and ressurection of Christ they are christians. Yet still decieved and led off path by false doctrine and 'adding to' scripture.

Demons believe in the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus.

The trinity is just interpretation that come out the bible as well. Its credibility sure adds up, but its not direct scripture.

Oh and dont forget the rapture

On a holistic reading and understanding of Scripture, the trinity is clearly true and incredibly important.

 

[ezra]

Yes, they are different, because they are wrong. They clearly go against core teachings.


It's not about being 100% correct. It's about core beliefs. This thread is about denominational differences. Say, baptists and Lutherans. They are different denominations and disagree on a few minor things. Other groups like Mormons or JWs disagree on a LOT more. The line is drawn.


Demons believe in the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus.


On a holistic reading and understanding of Scripture, the trinity is clearly true and incredibly important.

let me explain a real life experience i had as a pastor . i went into a rural country church average attendance about 25 . they was in need of a pastor . i preached for a month sun a.m.p.m .no denominational messages this was a southern baptist church i was ordained general baptist .the messages i preached was walk the walk not just talk the talk. preached on sound doctrine . they voted me in with a %99 vote. i said from the pulpit about foot washing . it fired up a church member .she tried twice to get me out as pastor. why? because i was general baptist . end results i had to leave even though we started out growing . . when a persons core belief gets in the way of what God wants it becomes a idol {sacred cow} .i kicked the sacred cow by preaching holiness. i even agreed on eternal salvation only i believe if one leaves the Church never makes any attempt .to come back to Christ i doubt they was ever saved. division is alive and well and memebers are following the pied piper .the devil

 

[Blake]

let me explain a real life experience i had as a pastor . i went into a rural country church average attendance about 25 . they was in need of a pastor . i preached for a month sun a.m.p.m .no denominational messages this was a southern baptist church i was ordained general baptist .the messages i preached was walk the walk not just talk the talk. preached on sound doctrine . they voted me in with a %99 vote. i said from the pulpit about foot washing . it fired up a church member .she tried twice to get me out as pastor. why? because i was general baptist . end results i had to leave even though we started out growing . . when a persons core belief gets in the way of what God wants it becomes a idol {sacred cow} .i kicked the sacred cow by preaching holiness. i even agreed on eternal salvation only i believe if one leaves the Church never makes any attempt .to come back to Christ i doubt they was ever saved. division is alive and well and memebers are following the pied piper .the devil

That is just terrible. How can a grown adult Christian fall into such petty traps? I'll never understand.

 

[ezra]

That is just terrible. How can a grown adult Christian fall into such petty traps? I'll never understand.

me either i am serious it was going good. always room for improvement . we had some good services .the end results she ended up getting more member's on her side . they threatened to leave the Church . they may be grown adults but they are childish spiritually . very carnal minded i was even told by a older man the church control's the preacher. {not in my life term i am there to serve }

 

[reba]

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All scripture means all scripture the Word does not contradict

 

[smaller]

me either i am serious it was going good. always room for improvement . we had some good services .the end results she ended up getting more member's on her side . they threatened to leave the Church . they may be grown adults but they are childish spiritually . very carnal minded i was even told by a older man the church control's the preacher. {not in my life term i am there to serve }

I'm presuming that said person came up with the idea that if you didn't do foot washing you weren't saved, or that the exercise was somehow critical to salvation?

This is the spawning grounds of most forms of internal hatred "in the church." Provides opportunities for people to jump on each others and incessantly question the fate of other believers.

I'd dare call it fascist christianity. I've even seen "love" turned into fascism, where "love" is defined and boxed and people then claim "this" is what it is, now all bow or die.

It's really an internal sickness in people called sin, which is in fact demonic. They couldn't love each others if their lives depended on it, and will instead always make it conditional upon (you name it).

This kind of hatred has riddled the churches, probably from it's earliest outset, per Paul, here:

Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

We have one flag. It's probably the very easiest thing to do. Even unbelievers do it. Love one another. But that is never good enough, ever.

 

[smaller]

There are deeply seeded reasons why believers can't and don't "listen" to The Teacher:

1 Thessalonians 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Now, some "men" decided along the way, that this is not possible, and that believers need a filter to understand this direct teaching, claiming that God is incapable of teaching this simplicity. They "made" teaching from themselves that says Love is "listen only to me" because I or my sects authorities know what is best for you, and that "proves" love, when you listen only to my authority.

God in Christ, Himself, has put His Own Self in front of and at the HEAD of every teacher and everyone who believes, in the manner prescribed by Paul above.

"ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another."

Anyone who does not built their doctrines on this foundation,
FAIL. I will not and can not in "good faith" condemn any such, as this violates the dictate of God in Christ, BUT, I will not follow anyone who does not know The Teacher in the above prescribed manner.

 

[ezra]

I'm presuming that said person came up with the idea that if you didn't do foot washing you weren't saved, or that the exercise was somehow critical to salvation?

no nothing like that was said. foot washing only sparked the fire. it was only mentioned one time. what i didn't realize was the southern baptist don,t believe in foot washing .. after she figured out i was gen baptist . her quest to get rid of me started , she first complained to the so called carnal minded board. they told her i was in the word and i was. . when that diidnt work she got others on board .there are good southern bpatist out there that believe the Bible. she is carnal minded until she gets her way,i guarantee if you asked her how the church is doing today. she would say great . . they got some one to preach easy beleiveism most likely. but its not about me. its about christ

 

[smaller]

no nothing like that was said. foot washing only sparked the fire. it was only mentioned one time. what i didn't realize was the southern baptist don,t believe in foot washing .. after she figured out i was gen baptist . her quest to get rid of me started , she first complained to the so called carnal minded board. they told her i was in the word and i was. . when that diidnt work she got others on board .there are good southern bpatist out there that believe the Bible. she is carnal minded until she gets her way,i guarantee if you asked her how the church is doing today. she would say great . . they got some one to preach easy beleiveism most likely. but its not about me. its about christ

Obviously it was a critical issue, to her anyway. In the SDA I think this is a mandate of some sort.

 

[ezra]

Obviously it was a critical issue, to her anyway. In the SDA I think this is a mandate of some sort.

some churches has foot washing as a ordinance the free will baptist do there are few others. others reject it all the way. personalty i think its a good thing .but if one is not comfortable doing it. i suggest you just observe it.

 

[smaller]

some churches has foot washing as a ordinance the free will baptist do there are few others. others reject it all the way. personalty i think its a good thing .but if one is not comfortable doing it. i suggest you just observe it.

Probably not all that interested. I'm not big on ritual magic posturing as actions of faith. The charismatic nonsense postures broke me out of that form of thinking and it kind of carried over to any kind of rituals/incantations to manipulate God in Christ.