The serpent could not directly deceive Adam

[Classik]

Someone has argued that the devil could not succeed in convincing Adam to eat the forbidden tree. Noticing how malleable woman was he went to her and succeeded.

And woman also has remained the man's weakness

 

[JohnDB]

Misogyny much?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Someone has argued that the devil could not succeed in convincing Adam to eat the forbidden tree. Noticing how malleable woman was he went to her and succeeded.

And woman also has remained the man's weakness

Adam and Eve are an illustration of Christ (Adam) and the Church (Eve)--Ephesians 5:31-32 NASB. Obviously, Christ is not the one deceived--or able to be deceived--in the relationship of Christ and the Church. If God had allowed Adam to be the one deceived that would have kind of ruined the analogy. But instead, the account was ordained by God so that Eve was the one deceived and Adam knowingly takes his bride's sin upon himself.

In all my years of complaining about how women are in marital relationships, I realized that I'm all that in my relationship with Christ. Kind of takes the steam out of my rant against women in marriage.

 

[Cygnus]

Adam and Eve are an illustration of Christ (Adam) and the Church (Eve)--Ephesians 5:31-32 NASB. Obviously, Christ is not the one deceived--or able to be deceived--in the relationship of Christ and the Church. If God had allowed Adam to be the one deceived that would have kind of ruined the analogy. But instead, the account was ordained by God so that Eve was the one deceived and Adam knowingly takes his bride's sin upon himself.

In all my years of complaining about how women are in marital relationships, I realized that I'm all that in my relationship with Christ. Kind of takes the steam out of my rant against women in marriage.

I don't know if I can really buy that....what you are saying is that sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. Your illustration of Christ (Adam)...doesn't seem to work real well.

 

[Eugene]

I don't know if I can really buy that....what you are saying is that sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. Your illustration of Christ (Adam)...doesn't seem to work real well.

1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus) was made a quickening spirit.
The best explanation I’ve heard, and though I'm probably not quoting it correctly was that so Adam could be one with the woman God gave him was to take on sin. To become one with us Jesus took on sin though he never sinned. In sin Adam & Eve (Mankind) died & through death Jesus made us alive.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I don't know if I can really buy that....what you are saying is that sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. Your illustration of Christ (Adam)...doesn't seem to work real well.

What I'm saying is that Adam, when he saw Eve sinned, gave up his own life for her. It was a type and shadow of how Christ would do that for his bride.
"25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her" (Ephesians 5:25 NASB)

 

[Malachi]

Misogyny much?

Misogyny is hatred for women. It has nothing to do with this.

Someone has argued that the devil could not succeed in convincing Adam to eat the forbidden tree.

As to this, it is pure speculation. Disregard it. We will never know why Eve had wandered off from Adam's side.

 

[JohnDB]

Misogyny is hatred for women. It has nothing to do with this.

I was being facetious.
This is the lounge....it's allowed here.

 

[Wrg1405]

I was being facetious.
This is the lounge....it's allowed here.

I agree, if only I knew what facetious meant.

What I do know is that my wife is the wife who God intended me to have. I was engaged before I met my wife and was going to marry her with the knowledge that one day we would divorce (cowardice in breaking the relationship off) but God allowed something very painful in my life and I ended that engagement.

Now I have the most wonderful woman as my wife. I'm sure she is the only woman who could love me as I am and always will. She will never leave my side, she is my strength in a sense, she is my soul mate. I would never leave her and I would die for her.

I thank God and to be honest I am so amazed he would give me, which he had in mind from the beginning of time that I would be married to the most beautiful, gentle, loving, compassionate woman and mother.

 

[Wrg1405]

I just want to add I thank God for all you precious Godly wives, girlfriends and women.

 

[childeye]

Adam and Eve are an illustration of Christ (Adam) and the Church (Eve)--Ephesians 5:31-32 NASB. Obviously, Christ is not the one deceived--or able to be deceived--in the relationship of Christ and the Church. If God had allowed Adam to be the one deceived that would have kind of ruined the analogy. But instead, the account was ordained by God so that Eve was the one deceived and Adam knowingly takes his bride's sin upon himself.

In all my years of complaining about how women are in marital relationships, I realized that I'm all that in my relationship with Christ. Kind of takes the steam out of my rant against women in marriage.

I like this post. I feel the same way, about the ranting part in particular. The only thing that is out of place, is that in the episode in the garden, God said that Adam should not have listened to the woman. So perhaps we should be temperate, knowing there's also a right time for a man to rant. I Love that Christ loves me enough to do that too.

 

[childeye]

Someone has argued that the devil could not succeed in convincing Adam to eat the forbidden tree. Noticing how malleable woman was he went to her and succeeded.

And woman also has remained the man's weakness

There's definitely some Truth to that. Some Men are definitely gullible to women. But it is only speculation that men would not have been gullible to Satan. 2 Corinthians 11:3.

 

[AbbeyJoy]

Eve ate some and gave some to Adam which means he gave in with Eve and ate it also.

 

[Cygnus]

1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus) was made a quickening spirit.
The best explanation I’ve heard, and though I'm probably not quoting it correctly was that so Adam could be one with the woman God gave him was to take on sin. To become one with us Jesus took on sin though he never sinned. In sin Adam & Eve (Mankind) died & through death Jesus made us alive.

What I'm saying is that Adam, when he saw Eve sinned, gave up his own life for her. It was a type and shadow of how Christ would do that for his bride.
"25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her" (Ephesians 5:25 NASB)

This is a tough subject to explain and understand. The post made it sound like sin and death spread because of "Jesus". The post made it sound like Adam and Ever were not historical beings....at least to me.
I really don't think God gave Adam away to sin.
Now, there is some correlation because the bible does mention them in the same verses.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

She will never leave my side, she is my strength in a sense, she is my soul mate. I would never leave her and I would die for her.

Then you of all people should be able to understand how Adam didn't cut and run when he saw Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit and condemned herself to die but instead followed her into her sin. That's how Christ loves his bride. He loves us so much that instead of leaving us in the sin we committed he joined us in the death we condemned ourselves to, taking the sin we committed onto himself. It is the greatest love story ever told.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Eve ate some and gave some to Adam which means he gave in with Eve and ate it also.

Yes, just as Christ joined his bride in the condemnation of her sin.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The only thing that is out of place, is that in the episode in the garden, God said that Adam should not have listened to the woman.

Oh don't get me wrong. Adam is just a type and shadow. He was certainly not guiltless. His motives and intentions are not known. We only know that his actions foreshadowed a marriage where we do know the motives and intentions of the Husband and why he took on the sin of his bride.

 

[Cygnus]

I think Adam ate because he realized the fate of his wife....and didn't want her to be alone in Gods justice. Of course I have no scripture to back it up.

Here's an interesting question....what fd Eve ate and Adam didn't? Would we need Jesus? How would that scenario play out?

 

[LovethroughDove]

I think it all boils down to Eve as the helper to her husband, just as it is in today's world with the church as helpmate to Christ.

It can go either way. Death or Life.

 

[childeye]

Oh don't get me wrong. Adam is just a type and shadow. He was certainly not guiltless. His motives and intentions are not known. We only know that his actions foreshadowed a marriage where we do know the motives and intentions of the Husband and why he took on the sin of his bride.

Yes it is true that we cannot be certain of Adams motives or intentions. But that would define what Adam was guilty of. If Adam loved Eve greater than life it's self, he may have eaten to be with Eve in death, rather than be alive and alone. That's a more beautiful form of guilt, than a blatant disregard for God's commands.

As pertains to the Christ, the motive is definitely a self sacrificing Love. But whether Jesus died to save us from a justly deserved death, or from a merciless prosecutor is still a major theological debate, and it all depends on Adam's motive. Still, deeper is the destroying of Satan's works, not Adam's works. And deeper still, is the vanity that must learn a sincere appreciation for the nature of God and Light, through experiencing corruption and death.