The Pope and Doctrine

[GodsGrace]

Are there some Catholics here?
Do you think Pope Francis has changed any doctrine?
And does he have the right to if he has.

My understanding (actually I'm sure of it) is that he has changed doctrine...
and he does not have the right to.

And will there be more to come??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The pope is the boss
Careful how you talk about him

 

[GodsGrace]

The pope is the boss
Careful how you talk about him

Do you know anything about the Knights of Columbus?
I don't.
I knew someone a long time ago....a paesano that lived in Little Falls in Upstate NY, that told me he was a member and was very proud of it,,,but he said it was a secret society. And I left it at that.

 

[Christ the King]

Im a Catholic but not a Marian Catholic. I think there a distinction there that should be made these days.

Our Holy father hasn't changed any doctrines that Im aware of but iv'e kind of tuned out. The Catechism says that the RCCs teachings are guided by the Holy Spirit and won't lead people astray. So whenever there is a dogma declared or a change in doctrine that is virtually God's will manifested through our Holy Father by the Holy Spirit. Whoever told u the pope has no right to change doctrines is in error.

Just recently many bishops, priests and other clergy made up a huge petition to declare the following as infallible dogma, Mary co-redemptrix.

In announcing his decision the Holy Father referred to the idea as "nonsense". For me the best thing iv heard from him and evidence that the Holy Spirit really is guiding the RCC teachings.

I apologize if u actually wanted this Mary dogma. I respect the Blessed Virgin but making her redeemer as dogma forces everyone to believe and conform when Catholics already have that option.

Anyway im new here, pleased to meet u.

 

[Corn Pop]

There is no authentic historical fact or evidence as far as I am aware where a single figure gets passed on the privilege to rule over and be the head of Jesus's Church.

I'm not a fan of Popes or the CC but I respect there freedom of belief and religion.

It's just like any system with a head Leader, they make or change the doctrine, sit on there thrones, and are covered in gold while everyone praises them for the reason I have no idea as they are just a human being like everyone else in need of God's grace and mercy through Christ.

Yet they get looked at as more special important. If people loved themselves and forgave themselves rather than looking up to others as greater they might see truth.

 

[Corn Pop]

Our Holy father hasn't changed any doctrines that Im aware of but iv'e kind of tuned out.

So if a human being is your "Holy father" then what do you call God?. Is he also the Holy father?

Do you have two holy fathers?

 

[Christ the King]

So if a human being is your "Holy father" then what do you call God?. Is he also the Holy father?
Do you have two holy fathers?

Well according to the RCC there have been 266 Holy Fathers... LoL...

 

[Corn Pop]

Well according to the RCC there have been 266 Holy Fathers... LoL...

When did all the Popes get married and have Children?. Someone has to have a son or daughter, or adopt someone before they get the title "Father".

Are Catholics God's children or the Popes children?. It would be like 3 fathers claiming the same title, biological or step father, pope father, and God father.

 

[Christ the King]

When did all the Popes get married and have Children?. Someone has to have a son or daughter, or adopt a child, before they get the title of Father.

Are Catholics God's children, the Popes children, or both?

Hehe, I don't know mate im no authority of the RCC nor am i a defender of it.

U can ask the pope if u like. I'll give u the secret number that all Catholics have. 1300RCC. Call it and use the secret password VATICAN. You'll get directly linked to him ok.?

 

[humble soul]

Im a Catholic in name but hardly hardcore. i only hear on the mainstream news what the Pope thinks on matters. and then only in one liners like "do not judge others". Conservatives think he is a hippie liberal. He does seem to favour mercy than spelling out doctrine.
thats the little i know. i do like him overall.

 

[Christ the King]

Im a Catholic in name but hardly hardcore.

Same here bro. Some hardcore Catholics consider me to be a heretic even... LoL...?

Its better for me to keep a simple child like understanding of Catholicism cos there is just too much advanced theology thats complicated and irrelevant.

 

[humble soul]

Same here bro. Some hardcore Catholics consider me to be a heretic even... LoL...?

Its better for me to keep a simple child like understanding of Catholicism cos there is just too much advanced theology thats complicated and irrelevant.

you tend to bump into the legalists / amateur theologians online. in all denominations. the less intellectual, the more Christian is often the case.

 

[Christ the King]

you tend to bump into the legalists / amateur theologians online. in all denominations. the less intellectual, the more Christian is often the case.

But have u been to a Catholic forum? The two I've seen are just ruthless.

 

[humble soul]

But have u been to a Catholic forum? The two I've seen are just ruthless.

yes i have. like you they saw me as a troublemaker. i dont respect the Church enough.

 

[humble soul]

Im a Christian first, a Catholic second. They didnt like my answer.

 

[Christ the King]

Im a Christian first, a Catholic second. They didnt like my answer.

Ahahaha I can imagine... Where did u say that?

I did the prodigal son and came back to God with a very basic understanding. After reading the new testament for the first time many questions arose, especially about u know who. ?

Now my parents are Portuguese and I thought only they were obsessed with Mary cos of Fatima. Furthermore im worried, wondering why they worship her when the bible says nothing, and why shes asked us to pray 10 hail Mary's to 1 our father in repetitions, are they disobeying God, will they get saved, is this Fatima apparition demonic? So i was really concerned for the salvation of my parents who are such good devout Christians.?

So i went onto Fisheaters...My opening thread... Oohhh mate. I just put it all down, unfiltered, very bluntly...? The possibility of my parents burning in hell because of a deception from Satan made my boil which came across in my post....:angry
I'll let your imagination paint the picture of their reactions. I was so confused

 

[humble soul]

i havent read your other thread so havent connected all the dots yet.
I cant answer all the Mary questions. i dont pray to her . I tend to stick to Jesus. But her stature in Catholic circles doesnt bother me personally.

 

[Christ the King]

Im not asking about her, i just do it like u as well. But can u imagine their reaction to my opening thread, i got bombarded.

When i came back to God a year ago I though Catholicism was simple, I thought Christianity consisted of 5 or so denominations that got along and i thought all Christians were good people given the examples given by my parents and all their friends

Meanwhile i had joined a Christian forum. Got banned for life within 2 weeks. Why? There was a female priest on their. Id never heard of that before and asked her some questions. Got kicked.

Joined another Christian forum and it was great. On the Fisheaters I was just being attacked. Heretic, blasphemer, Protestant. What the hell is that and why do they keep calling me that. So I learnt about the reformation and saw that these protestants were asking the same questions i was 500 years ago, these guys actually understand my logic, great.

So i left fisheaters for a while cos i was public enemy number one. I entered another Catholic forum. This time I approached the Mary topic much more subtly. But undercovers on their flag any post that deviates even slightly from the RCC teachings. They delete my posts with no explanation, i ask and get no answer. Then i get banned for two weeks without explanation. When I returned a member was telling me about the under covers that scratch posts they don't like. So now they've banned me again, why, for discussing my previous ban. Banned for discussing my ban. TBC

 

[humble soul]

Im not asking about her, i just do it like u as well. But can u imagine their reaction to my opening thread, i got bombarded.

When i came back to God a year ago I though Catholicism was simple, I thought Christianity consisted of 5 or so denominations that got along and i thought all Christians were good people given the examples given by my parents and all their friends

Meanwhile i had joined a Christian forum. Got banned for life within 2 weeks. Why? There was a female priest on their. Id never heard of that before and asked her some questions. Got kicked.

Joined another Christian forum and it was great. On the Fisheaters I was just being attacked. Heretic, blasphemer, Protestant. What the hell is that and why do they keep calling me that. So I learnt about the reformation and saw that these protestants were asking the same questions i was 500 years ago, these guys actually understand my logic, great.

So i left fisheaters for a while cos i was public enemy number one. I entered another Catholic forum. This time I approached the Mary topic much more subtly. But undercovers on their flag any post that deviates even slightly from the RCC teachings. They delete my posts with no explanation, i ask and get no answer. Then i get banned for two weeks without explanation. When I returned a member was telling me about the under covers that scratch posts they don't like. So now they've banned me again, why, for discussing my previous ban. Banned for discussing my ban. TBC

Christian forums can be very strict. it is hard work for moderators. I feel for them. But there is always 2 sides to a story. Cliques of veteran members become territorial and report anyone who disagrees with them. its all very childish. this forums seems ok but I think we need more members.

 

[humble soul]

On the Fisheaters I was just being attacked.

I just had a quick look at Fisheaters Forum. They are trad. catholics. They are weird. I don't like using that word but they are too extreme. They probably hate Pope Franics and want Benedict back.