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Yes, "believe in him" = Saved, as long as you understand believing in him means trusting in his sacrifice for the payment of your sins, not simply knowing he is God's appointed High Priest and Sacrifice. Even the demons know and believe he is the Son of God:

"7He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?" - Mark 5:7

They know well enough that he is the Son of God, but they do not trust in him. That believing does not save anybody.
Did you see my post last time about demons are irrelevant here? They don't have flesh and bone. Only little children will believe the gospel. Have you made yourself like a child to receive, cause this is a BIGGIE and you are blowing it off. I know your mind is bypassing Jesus the Christ has come in the flesh, cause you're going right to demons know he's the Son of God. Please know I'm not being condescending here. I am only concerned you have haven't fully digested Jesus literally being raised from the dead and he is currently sitting in heaven.

If you weren't bypassing the very thing that made my faith secure, I would not be asking you you to ponder this.
 
Are you going to ignore the rest of the Bible where it talks about the other proofs that you must have to show you have the Holy Spirit in you in salvation?


I would never “ ignore “ any Scripture , But Nothing is going to “ trump” this one —- it is very simple and direct ( a child could understand it ) There are many verses in the Bible that are Promises that can save you if you believe them......but how ya gonna improve upon or simplify THIS one: “ Anybody that asks to be saved WILL be Saved” ......it’s the first Verse I ever discussed with my young Daughter.....
Are you inferring That there are other verses in regard to the Holy Spirit That must be coupled with the one I gave? God left out something in this verse ? He perhaps didn’t really mean what he said here? You and others here really seem to have a penchant for complicating the things that God has made simple . Generally , you try to find things that WE must do.You never can muster up the Faith to just “ let go and let God” .......THAT would entail following God's order to REST in the Finished Work Of The Cross.....It Just aint In you...... “ The Abundant Life” is something you will likely never understand or live.....that is a shame....
 
Few who subscribe to your doctrine can see it.
The blindness of your indoctrination is keeping you from seeing it.
That's how indoctrinations work.

An on- looking World is free to view all of our Posts......they are free to decide who is “ blind “ and who isn’t.........
The only reason I spend any time at this site is to use those that “ attack the Brethern “ as Springboards to get the Truth Of the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing out there for Newbies that have not been ruined by The Modern- Day Judaizers out there yet.....They ain’t gonna get this stuff from most Churches.......Too Many Confused, poorly taught preachers spreading the Hogwash that “ they” were taught.....they are all variations of the same Horse Hockey: “ Jesus Saves...... BUT!” Don't Fall for it.
 
What we're trying to do is prepare you for the fork in the road that is ahead.
Every believer will one day be presented with trials and tribulations and persecutions that will test your faith.
We want you to be prepared ahead for this time and be fully aware that if you take the fork in the road to the left and choose to no longer believe and trust in Christ because of those sufferings you will not be saved when Jesus comes back.

If you've been viewing and/ or reading alternate, independent news services you will see that the persecution of us Christians is coming, and is coming soon. In fact, it's already started. Do not be fooled by a gospel that tells you that you are saved no matter what you do, or say, or think, or believe, or that you will always do, say, and think, and believe the right things. You must know that you have to continue to believe the gospel you heard in the beginning, even through the severest of trials and testing of your faith, in order to remain saved and enter into the kingdom when Christ returns.

Yogi Berra said.... “ If you come to a Fork in the road— take it!”...... lol...
 
If I gave you a flashlight that shines forever does forever mean you can't lose it?
Of course not, but that seems to be the only way people in the church can understand 'forever'.
As I've shown, Hebrews explains that 'forever' means your salvation does not have to be renewed over and over again not that you can't lose it no matter what.


I am not talking about any of this.....Heb 3. And 4 is where God charges one with “ Disobedience and UNBELIEF” If you do not Rest in the Gospel .....He accused these types of being identical to those who did not trust what God had told them about entering the Promised Land ....Those Of you who refuse to Rest to in the Finished Work Of The Cross and think you can lose your Salvation are not Resting in the Gospel as ordered ...You will not enter God’s Land Of Promise......you had better pray that this Story Of Believing or NOT believing God is not a Picture of Entering Heaven ......The ancient Hebrews did not Trust God and they were left to die and rot in the Wilderness . God is testing you , Brothers and Sisters......you have a chance and the choice to prove your mettle.....Salvation or the Lack Of it could be at stake....
 
Few who subscribe to your doctrine can see it.
The blindness of your indoctrination is keeping you from seeing it.
That's how indoctrinations work.
Hi Jethro Bodine,

Your patience with this man is to be commended, but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. In my short time on this forum I've already had a few encounters with him. I noticed that whenever his errors are pointed out to him and he eventually runs out of dust and fantasies to throw back at you, he just runs away and finds another thread to start all over again. It's a shame the mods and owners here allow this scandal to continue.

God bless,

Tradidi
 
Let me put your advice into a recipe that is a bit easier to follow:
  1. Open your Bible and go to Romans 10:9.
  2. Mark that verse with a yellow marker.
  3. Now rip all the other pages out of your Bible, they are superfluous.
  4. Add a footnote that says: "Whoever brings back any of the pages I just ripped out is a Judaizing, blind, brain-dead hypocrite, fallen from grace".
  5. Now relax, you're salvation is done!
Tip: If you share this recipe with 100 other people your cake.. I mean salvation will taste even better!

I wonder what he Holy Spirit will think of this recipe?




You misunderstand me....Faith is what saves ....Faith is Believing a Promise Of God....
The Bible contains many verses that are God’s Promise to Save the people that Believe them...Romans 10:9 which you chose is a Great Promise That one can put their Faith in to get Saved. My #1 Salvation Promise is Romans 10:13... “Anybody that asks to be Saved will be Saved”
Other Promises that, if believed will lead to Salvation are... “ Turn to me and I will Turn to you”.... “Come to me and I will give you rest”...... “ Come to me through My Son, Jesus Christ, and I will save you to the uttermost”....... “ Those That Believe In me are Already Saved and shall never come under Condemnation”
Wanna be Saved by a one time Prayer? Simply cry out like the Sinful Tax Collector did , “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner!” Jesus said that Man went home a Saved Man! If it worked for that guy, it’s also gonna work for you....
So......what do all these scenarios that used Promises Of God to get Saved have in common? The Bible says “ NOBODY comes to God lest The Spirit draw him. NOBODY! So NOW the question becomes —- how does the Spirit “ Draw Men?” BY the Conviction Of Sin.Nobody will seek to be “ Saved” until he sees the “ NEED” to be Saved.
You wanna get Saved ? It’s so simple. Peter was referring to a Watery Grave , not Salvation , as he started sinking in the water real fast as he attempted to walk on it , but his words are worth remembering if you Want Salvation —- “ Jesus, Save Me”. It’s that simple....
I am in favor of obedience, clean living , church attendance, Tithing , obeying Commandments,loving your Brother as yourself , helping the poor, repenting from sins.....you name it ! I am not NEAR as evil as you think I am.....
Here is the Problem ......as desirable, as great, as moral as all these things are......they do not Save you nor do they KEEP you Saved. Only TWO things Save you—- Christ’s Blood and Your Faith in that Blood .Plus NOTHING! Adding to these two things .....telling others that you must do more than just put your Trust in the Finished Work Of The Cross , saying that you must mix in a little “ Works insurance” .......THAT is Legalism......THAT is Judaism .....ANYTHING that mixes any Human Merit with the Promises Of God that only demands that you BELIEVE is Leaven. “ A little Leaven leavenith the whole Batch
Leaven, anything that adds to the Promise Of Resting in the Gospel For Salvation ruined many/of Paul’s early Churches and it will certainly ruin Christian Forums and shipwreck the Faith Of young Believers....
I believe my “ recipe” of “ Jesus Saves- No BUTS attached” would go down quite well with the Holy Spirit.....my recipe consist of giving God ALL the Credit for the Cake and I get NONE—— just the Way God , Jesus and the Holy Spirit demand it......
Sprinkle in just a “ tad” of your Works to this Recipe for Salvation and you May hear “ depart from me.” Remember Those that told God , “ we did this and we did that!” Jesus told them , “ Depart from Me, I never knew you!” Many here are in jeopardy of hearing those words.
Be the best person you can be , try to be obedient..... but don’t for one second think that stuff, although good in and of itself, played ANY role in your Salvation.....That is a “ gift” given to those that do not Work for it and put their Faith in the Blood Of Jesus—- Plus Nothing....God Bless...
 
Hi Jethro Bodine,

Your patience with this man is to be commended, but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. In my short time on this forum I've already had a few encounters with him. I noticed that whenever his errors are pointed out to him and he eventually runs out of dust and fantasies to throw back at you, he just runs away and finds another thread to start all over again. It's a shame the mods and owners here allow this scandal to continue.

God bless,

Tradidi

I take this to mean that we wont be taking any Fishing Trips together this summer? Dang! I just Love Religious people— so much fun to hang around with! Maybe you would prefer to hop on the back of my Harley Soft Tail ! Beware..... I sometimes pull over to the side of the road and offer “ free rides for pretty Girls” ......you could get kicked off the back of the bike if I find any takers ......lol......pssst...I am a happily married man—- will I go to Hell for this?
 
Hi Jethro Bodine,

Your patience with this man is to be commended, but I'm afraid you're wasting your time. In my short time on this forum I've already had a few encounters with him. I noticed that whenever his errors are pointed out to him and he eventually runs out of dust and fantasies to throw back at you, he just runs away and finds another thread to start all over again. It's a shame the mods and owners here allow this scandal to continue.

God bless,

Tradidi

Here’s you some more scandal—- My Doctrine is pretty much “ Love God and live as you please.” So much wisdom in that statement. Pity is, you will never understand it.Just like you do not understand how to “Rest In the Gospel” as you are Commanded to do by God in Hebrews. God says these types are guilty of “ disobedience and UNbelief” ....... do you Know Christians are supposed to Judge other Christians ? You did well.You Judged me in front of everybody.....now I will judge you.... go crying to the Mods if you want .....or act like a man!
By the Authority Of God’s Word in Heb 3and 4 I declare you to be guilty of “ disobedience and UNbelief.....actually READ the 2 chapters —- I invite everybody else to read it also— then prove me wrong about how I judge you
Let me and the World know how you define “ Resting in the Gospel” and why you can’t do it.....and you have the Gall to attack somebody that does! Shame on you and your Biblical ignorance that shipwrecks the Faith Of New Believers......
 
Read Hebrews 3 and 4.......Obedience to the Gospel is to REST in it.....follow that Command from God and you will never doubt your Salvation again.....getting THAT Burden off of your shoulders will Spur Love......Love Spurs the only type of Obedience that will impress God.....

Obedience to the Gospel is to repent. Repent means turn to God as your Lord; The One you obey.

It’s the call to turn away from Satan as your lord.

The way we obey the Gospel command to repent, to turn to God, is confess Jesus as Lord; the One who we submit to, to obey. It’s a commit to obey His Commandments, which is to love our neighbor as ourself; His children.


We must continue in that commitment to obey Jesus as Lord, which is to say, we must not depart from Him, turning back to unbelief, if we expect to enter His rest. The rest to come, when He returns to remove the wicked and give us rest from our enemies. We also will receive immortal sinless bodies that will not die anymore, that no longer contain sin, in which there will no longer be the war, the striving of the flesh against the Spirit. That’s True rest.

Hebrews 3 —

For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. Hebrews 3:3-6

We will be counted as “His house”, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end...
not turning back to unbelief.



Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14


Same exact word used in Luke 8:13, rendered as “fall away”.

How can we continue in the faith, if we depart from Him?



For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 3:16-10

These who rebelled, were the very people who came out out Egypt, led by Moses, a type of Christ.

These are not people who never believed, but those who as Paul says were baptized into Moses (Christ), baptized in the sea (water), and baptized in the cloud (the Spirit), then these covenant people returned to unbelief, the rebelled and were disobedient. Which is what unbelief means; disobedient.


These people of God could not enter His rest, the promised land, because they would not CONTINUE to believe, and therefore they would not continue to obey.




But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Hebrews 10:39




JLB
 
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My Doctrine is pretty much “ Love God and live as you please.

Which is the opposite of what Jesus taught.

This is against what Christ taught.

“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15


The very definition of loving God is keeping His commandments.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


Maybe you meant to say something else?

Maybe that’s not what you meant?

I hope so.



JLB
 
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Paul’s Gospel ( 1cor15:1-4 ........THIS is the ONE and ONLY Gospel whereby a Man is Saved.Some people take any pleasant sounding verse and say that it is the “ gospel”......the ACTUAL Gospel,is very Specific ) .....The Gospel That Paul preached was given to him by Jesus, personally.....it had been kept Secret .....one of the many Mysteries that God revealed only after Jesus went back to Heaven
Jesus was under Law and preached the Law......The Gospel Before The Cross was one of what
“We” must do....Repent

Again, here is the Gospel Jesus sent Paul to preach.

Words of Christ in red —


But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20



Paul’s own words

that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance



This is the Gospel that Paul preached to the Gentiles.
This is the Gospel that Jesus sent Paul to preach.



  • to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,




JLB
 
Judas was a “ Devil” from the Beginning and Jesus knew it when He selected him

Judas was a disciple of Jesus Christ, and followed Him for over three years. Judas was promoted to an Apostle and “sent” out to preach the Gospel to the Lost, being empowered to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cleanse the leper’s.


Then after more that three years, Judas became a traitor.


Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor. Luke 6:16


He was an Apostle of Jesus Christ, then he turned and became a traitor.


He was the one thing, then changed and “became” the other.


Likewise, Saul of Tarsus was an insolent man who persecuted the Lord’s people, then he changed and “became” the Apostle Paul.


He was the one thing the he “became” the other.



JLB
 
Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing out there for Newbies that have not been ruined by The Modern- Day Judaizers out there yet.....

Brother, you are misrepresenting him and what he is so patiently taking the time to post.


Please explain how exhorting brothers in Christ to continue to believe in Jesus, is somehow being a Judaizer?


Judaizer’s taught that Christians must keep the law of Moses and become circumcised, in order to be saved.


Please do not misrepresent another person‘s post because you don’t agree with them.





JLB
 
Dang! I just Love Religious people— so much fun to hang around with! Maybe you would prefer to hop on the back of my Harley Soft Tail ! Beware..... I sometimes pull over to the side of the road and offer “ free rides for pretty Girls” ......you could get kicked off the back of the bike if I find any takers ......lol......pssst...I am a happily married man—- will I go to Hell for this?
Yes, you will go to hell for this. Not because not doing that somehow earns you salvation, but because you are trampling on the blood of Christ by which you were sanctified--Hebrews 10:26-30 (assuming you have been sanctified by the blood of Christ).
Can you explain to us why God's grace isn't teaching you not to do that?

"12 It (the grace of God) teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age" - Titus 2:12

You're listening to a lying spirit in the church that's telling you God's grace makes it okay for you to commit adultery.
 
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Here’s you some more scandal—- My Doctrine is pretty much “ Love God and live as you please.” So much wisdom in that statement. Pity is, you will never understand it.Just like you do not understand how to “Rest In the Gospel” as you are Commanded to do by God in Hebrews. God says these types are guilty of “ disobedience and UNbelief” ....... do you Know Christians are supposed to Judge other Christians ? You did well.You Judged me in front of everybody.....now I will judge you.... go crying to the Mods if you want .....or act like a man!
By the Authority Of God’s Word in Heb 3and 4 I declare you to be guilty of “ disobedience and UNbelief.....actually READ the 2 chapters —- I invite everybody else to read it also— then prove me wrong about how I judge you
Let me and the World know how you define “ Resting in the Gospel” and why you can’t do it.....and you have the Gall to attack somebody that does! Shame on you and your Biblical ignorance that shipwrecks the Faith Of New Believers......
The sinning fellow at Corinth lived as he pleased (1 Corinthians 5:1) and Paul told them to kick him out of the church so his flesh could be crucified in the hope that he might be saved on the Day Jesus returns (1 Corinthians 5:2,5). And you're going to tell us sinning is okay because it's actually an expression of great faith in the gospel of grace, greater than if you stopped yourself from sinning? You're actually the one who is putting new believers in danger.

"18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error." - 2 Peter 2:18
 
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An on- looking World is free to view all of our Posts......they are free to decide who is “ blind “ and who isn’t.........
Tell me how it is that you can't see that the free gift of forgiveness is being taken back in this passage, and that Jesus says that's how it is in the kingdom of heaven and that the Father will treat each one of us that way too in these circumstances:

"23“Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold h was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28“But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. i He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29“His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30“But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32“Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.” - Matthew 18:23-35


What happens with indoctrinations is, first, the indoctrinated person will not see the plain words in scripture that defy what they believe. Apparently, that's where you're at right now. Then when they can no longer deny what the passage says they will invent a way for those words to not really apply to them or make them not really mean what they say.

When you're done rationalizing this passage away perhaps you can address the Mark 9:42-48 passage I've brought up a couple of times and explain to us how it doesn't really mean what it says about believers in Jesus being caused to stumble so as to go to hell.
 
Obedience to the Gospel is to repent. Repent means turn to God as your Lord; The One you obey.

One can’t just bandy about words as if they can mean anything you want them to mean....

There are three different words that the Bible Translates as “ Repentance”. The Greek word “ metanoia” simply means “ mind change”....... Anybody who has “ Repented” or undergone a “ change of mind” about Jesus, manifested by Believing His Gospel Given to Paul in 1cor15:1-4 has done all the Repenting he ever needs to do
The word “ repent” is not found in our great Book Of Salvation.....” John”........Doesn’t that seem strange? The Word “ Belief” is found dozens of times! Hmmm.....what’s up with this? John knew that “ repentance” was BUILT IN to Belief. Anybody that has gone from Unbelief in Jesus to a Belief in Jesus has undergone the “change of mind” that “ Repentance” requires...One can Repent Without Believing , But you cant Believe Without Repenting— John knew that .....many others never see it.....
 

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