Difficult Questions

[Goldwing]

Many christians believe as they were taught from childhood, that the ten commandments are good rules to follow, as all but the 4th were reinstated after being nailed to the cross, upon the death of Christ. This would include me.

However, there are some questions that many have never given serious thought to, such as:

I. If they were abolished, then how does one define sin/disobedience?
2. If they were abolished, then why do we need grace?
3. If they were abolished, then what evidence can we give to show we love God?

 

[Goldwing]

I did a long time ago. I gave up. Kind of like if baptism is total immersion or sprinkling. I don't teach anybody on one or the other.

Why did you give up your search to understand how the seventh day sabbath was replaced by Sunday observance by christians? You mention you don't teach. Are you a pastor?

 

[ezrider]

The moral law never was abolished.

Yes, most of Christians ignore the Sabbath, because there is lack of understanding, and they usually do not want to research it to any degree for fear that it could still be binding on mankind. It is much easier to go along to get along.

When General Flynn was questioned by the House select committee on January 6, his lawyer tried to be cute in response to a question. Liz Cheney asked General Flynn if he thought the violence on January 6th was justified, and after some delay, the layer responded by inquiring if question was being asked in the moral sense or in the legal sense. To which he was subsequently asked: Do you believe the violence was justified morally? Do you believe the violence was justified legally. (Flynn pled the 5th)

But this line of questioning gave me pause to think about that distinction between the two positions: Moral or Legal?


Goldwing used the term BINDING in is post and description. Binding would be in the form of a legal contract, or as the nation of Israel had, a covenant. The Laws of Moses were a legal binding to the peoples of the tribes of Israel under the Old Covenant.

As Dorothy Mae used the term MORAL LAW, we still have the 10 commandments as moral laws, but we are not bound to them legally under the covenant made with Moses.


Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Did not Jesus say that the son of man was the Lord even of the Sabbath? If you enter into Christ and enter into that rest, then you are obeying the Sabbath.

 

[Mister E]

No, he actually set the bar higher than the law of Moses. We have to forgive others as we are forgiven, for example. Under Moses they just needed to offer a sacrifice.

He also said that those who obey God, the Father will love. Uh oh! He said to care for widows and orphans and others. He said not to favor the rich. To one guy he said he needed to sell everything he had. He said when we give or help, we ought not to think about it afterwards.

I’m not bitter. I feel sorry for the brethren who could not afford to drive so far to spend the day at an amusement park. In these days many are struggling financially. I’m not saying he shouldn’t go. I’m saying he didn’t help the less financially well off by bragging he could. Some pleasures ought to be enjoyed quietly out of love for others.

I’d say he informed us that the bar might as well be over the moon because none will ever make it on our own. Then he said ‘Don’t worry about it- I got ya covered.’

 

[tim-from-pa]

Many christians believe as they were taught from childhood, that the ten commandments are good rules to follow, as all but the 4th were reinstated after being nailed to the cross, upon the death of Christ. This would include me.

However, there are some questions that many have never given serious thought to, such as:

I. If they were abolished, then how does one define sin/disobedience?
2. If they were abolished, then why do we need grace?
3. If they were abolished, then what evidence can we give to show we love God?

1. Moral Law was not abolished. What is abolished are the ceremonies (Levitical priesthood laws) that were shadows to point us to Christ. So it was our schoolmaster to bring us to (i.e. fills in until) Christ. Hebrews says that Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, in which there is nothing about a priesthood, thus the order has changed but not the standards of righteousness.
2. We do not need grace if they were abolished (which they were not) we need grace for disobedience to those Laws in which Jesus took the penalty thereof: death. We are saved for the purpose of good works.
3. If the Law were abolished, it would be the same as a universe without the laws of physics: chaos and godless (and since the universe is orderly, there must be a God who ordains those laws). So if the Law were abolished, I think love as we knew it would not exist because in that case "anything goes".

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I’d say he informed us that the bar might as well be over the moon because none will ever make it on our own. Then he said ‘Don’t worry about it- I got ya covered.’

Ah, cheap grace. That’s not what he said to the goats nor the many who came to him saying with their mouths, “Lord, lord.” Not even close.

 

[Whatever]

Why did you give up your search to understand how the seventh day sabbath was replaced by Sunday observance by christians? You mention you don't teach. Are you a pastor?

I'm not any kind of leader in any Church I have been in. I am a high school drop out. I am too "mind my own business" to be a good deacon or whatever.

I read and studied enough to basically convince me of what I believe.

 

[Whatever]

I'm not any kind of leader in any Church I have been in. I am a high school drop out. I am too "mind my own business" to be a good deacon or whatever.

I read and studied enough to basically convince me of what I believe.

Somehow I hit reply before I was finished. Most of these things we debate about are not going to send anybody to Hell if they are wrong. There is a saying "In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity."

Here is a short snippet on this from Ligonier ministries:
Philip Schaff, the distinguished nineteenth-century church historian, calls the saying in our title "the watchword of Christian peacemakers" (History of the Christian Church, vol. 7, p. 650). Often attributed to great theologians such as Augustine, it comes from an otherwise undistinguished German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century, Rupertus Meldenius. The phrase occurs in a tract on Christian unity written (circa 1627) during the Thirty Years War (1618–1648), a bloody time in European history in which religious tensions played a significant role. The saying has found great favor among subsequent writers such as Richard Baxter, and has since been adopted as a motto by the Moravian Church of North America and the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Might it serve us well as a motto for every church and for every denomination today?

There is a little more to the article here:

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/essentials-unity-non-essentials-liberty-all-things

Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

I'm not fully convinced as to Sabbath vs Lord's Day. But I don't think I will ever be till I get to glory.

 

[Goldwing]

I don't believe that God's morality or expectations for humanity were fully set forth or defined in the Ten Commandments. God's morality encompasses every situation and decision in human life. As Paul suggests, the specific Ten Commandments were given to make clear to the Jews how far short of God's morality they fell; they weren't given in the expectation that anyone actually could or would fulfill them. They haven't been "abolished" by Christ but rather "fulfilled." The great commandments to love God with all one's heart and mind and one's neighbor as oneself are what guide the Christian's walk in every situation and decision. The Ten Commandments are subsumed into these two. If I'm walking in those two commandments, I don't need a specific commandment not to commit murder or commit adultery.

As for the Sabbath, it's irrelevant to a Christian. We celebrate the day of Christ's resurrection. (My wife, who is Russian, points out that the Russian word for Sunday is literally "Resurrection.") If someone thinks it pleases God or makes them feel like better Christians to strictly observe the Sabbath and other Jewish rites and festivals, I'm not going to argue with them.

Runner, appreciate your response, and the depth of your thoughts. The reason for the three questions is to understand how individuals view the ten commandments, and to share my insights gathered over the years, so possibly they may understand their greater importance.

If you have followed this thread from the start you see that some of what you understand is held by others, however, that should not be what assures us of the truth. You know, that Christ claims that He is, the way, the truth and the light.

In response to your first question. Let me ask this question. Doesn't it seem reasonable that an all knowing, all loving God, who in the end will judge mankind, would have a written law in place in which to pass all judgements? Otherwise, a sinner could say, but Lord I never knew it was unlawful to do, such and such?

The Bible clearly teaches He has. They are the ten commandments which He wrote with His own finger in stone. Why in stone? Because they would never change. And He demanded they be placed in the "Ark of His Covenant", on which His Glory rested, and nobody but the high priest was ever to look on either, but through a fog of incense, only one day out of the year, the Day of Atonement. You see, God didn't want any man tampering with His eternal moral law.

Because the ten can be summed up it two commandments does not do away with the original ten. The first four reveal what love for God looks like. The last six what love for our neighbor looks like. Since God is transparent and just, He wrote out all ten, so there would be no doubt.

Question, Don't we show our love and worship toward God by doing what He commands, or, is it better demonstrated by doing what we think is best???

Many have been taught that the commandments were given, "specifically for the Jews." With such reasoning, it is then easy to disregard the fourth, which ironically, God commands us to, "remember." If this law was not imposed on man at creation, then what law did Adam violate that caused the fall of man?

It is true that God gave them to Israel, but we must understand, God wanted to make the nation of Israel, a kingdom of priest, so that they would share His gospel with all of mankind. So yes, they were given to the Jew's, but it not true that they were given to the Jew's exclusively. Would you except the argument that all ten were given to the Jew's exclusively?

What was God's original plan for the nation of Israel, did not come to pass, because as a nation they were stiff necked and rebellious. Instead of being the trustees's of the gospel, they thought they were the exclusive beneficiaries. This misunderstanding brought on world wide antisemitism, whereby people have distanced themselves from jewish beliefs, and customs, and unfortunately, GOD'S Seventh Day Sabbath, which thy encumbered with their own traditions.

I too, understand the commandments were never abolished, and certainly Paul, knew as well, for in (Rm. 3:31) he made that clear. Throughout the new testament there is no evidence that the seventh day sabbath was ever abolished by God, or did God speak through any of His prophets of such a change. Most christians do honor the resurrection of Christ, by worshipping on the first day of the week. I did for many years, until I became a mature adult and could reason as an adult, it was then that God challenged my faith, by encouraging me to understand how Sunday worship came to be. If you do not clearly understand who the "little horn" in (Dan. 7:8) is, and how it changed times and laws as prophesied in vss. 24-26, you do not understand that it is an institution of man, not God's. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. (Mat.15:9)

If you care for materials on how the change took place, just ask and i'll pass along what is available to me.

 

[Goldwing]

1. Moral Law was not abolished. What is abolished are the ceremonies (Levitical priesthood laws) that were shadows to point us to Christ. So it was our schoolmaster to bring us to (i.e. fills in until) Christ. Hebrews says that Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, in which there is nothing about a priesthood, thus the order has changed but not the standards of righteousness.
2. We do not need grace if they were abolished (which they were not) we need grace for disobedience to those Laws in which Jesus took the penalty thereof: death. We are saved for the purpose of good works.
3. If the Law were abolished, it would be the same as a universe without the laws of physics: chaos and godless (and since the universe is orderly, there must be a God who ordains those laws). So if the Law were abolished, I think love as we knew it would not exist because in that case "anything goes".

In response to your post, I say, amen.

 

[Goldwing]

Did not Jesus say that the son of man was the Lord even of the Sabbath? If you enter into Christ and enter into that rest, then you are obeying the Sabbath.

ezider, My answer to your question is "yes". I have faith in Christ, I observe His seventh day sabbath as the commandments direct, as I believe it is required by those who love God as the first command would have us.
(Ecc. 12:13)

Which day do you worship on?

 

[Goldwing]

Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

I'm not fully convinced as to Sabbath vs Lord's Day. But I don't think I will ever be till I get to glory.

Appreciate your openness. I see here you use Rm. 14:5, to justify that either the sabbath or the Lord's Day was not an issue with Paul. However, the texts within it's contexts is dealing with feast days, and not the weekly sabbath. For Paul clearly taught the moral law was not abolished, (Rm. 3:31)

 

[Goldwing]

Here are some not familiar facts and yes the ten commandments still stand today as the first day God gave them.

It's great to see some of us realize the ten commandments were never abolished. i have to ask, do you worship on the seventh day sabbath or Sunday, the first day of the week, and if Sunday, how do you justify that?

 

[Whatever]

For Paul clearly taught the moral law was not abolished, (Rm. 3:31)

Paul said a lot of things.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Gal. 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

I do agree that the moral law was not done away with. I'm just not sure that what day you worship is a moral question.
I worship on Sunday because that is what "the Church" has done for a long time. I do what my pastor and elders say. If it wrong, then are they deliberately rebelling (moral) against God, or just ignorant? Think of all the other things we probably get wrong.
Baptizing by immersion or sprinkling
Taking communion with grape juice or only 4 times a year vs every Sunday.
Women not covering their heads
Men having long hair
And all those above are New Testament things.

 

[for_his_glory]

It's great to see some of us realize the ten commandments were never abolished. i have to ask, do you worship on the seventh day sabbath or Sunday, the first day of the week, and if Sunday, how do you justify that?

I worship the Lord seven days a week as it's not about a four walled building sitting there for an hour.

 

[Goldwing]

Paul said a lot of things.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Gal. 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

I do agree that the moral law was not done away with. I'm just not sure that what day you worship is a moral question.
I worship on Sunday because that is what "the Church" has done for a long time. I do what my pastor and elders say. If it wrong, then are they deliberately rebelling (moral) against God, or just ignorant? Think of all the other things we probably get wrong.
Baptizing by immersion or sprinkling
Taking communion with grape juice or only 4 times a year vs every Sunday.
Women not covering their heads
Men having long hair
And all those above are New Testament things.

Whatever, Question, if the sabbath isn't a moral question, then why is it in the moral law?
I'm going to post, Rm. 10:1-7, with interlaced commentary, so you can consider the broader contexts of Rm. 10:4.

Paul, himself a former Pharisee, explains why Israel failed and why Christians will fail if they follow in the footsteps of the Jews:

Romans 10:1-2: “Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the [nation of the] Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on [valid] knowledge.”

Romans 10:3: “Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness [and this is the crux of the human problem. Abraham and Sarah did not submit to God’s righteousness. Jacob and his mother did not submit to God’s righteousness. Instead, they each set out to achieve righteousness through works and sinned against God].”

Romans 10:4: “Christ is the culmination/end of the law [Christ did not sin. Jesus fulfilled all that the law demands. Jesus produced the righteousness which the law declares. The Father sent His Son to achieve this] so that there may be righteousness [from God] for everyone who believes [in Him].”

“During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Son [of God] though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect [mature], he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.”1

Romans 10:5-7: “[Don’t be confused. There are two types of righteousness.] Moses writes this about the [earthly, manmade] righteousness that [comes through obeying the law and] is [a righteousness defined] by the law: ‘The person who does these things will live by them. [This obedience and righteousness is essential for social conduct and order and the happiness of all. If everyone made a sincere effort to exalt the moral code given in the Ten Commandments, life on Earth would be better!]’ But the righteousness that [I speak of is different. This righteousness is necessary for salvation and it comes only though submission to God’s Spirit. This righteousness] is by faith [and using the words of Moses,2 this righteousness] says: ‘Do not say in your heart, “Who will ascend into heaven?” [to obtain the truth about God’s will on these matters]’ (that is, [Jesus has already come to Earth to reveal the will of God, so there is no need] to bring Christ down [again]) ‘or [there is no need to ask] “Who will descend into the deep?” ’ (that is, [there is no need] to bring Christ up from the dead [to determine God’s will, for He has spoken clearly on these matters and He is now risen and sits at the right hand of the Father]).”

continued

 

[Goldwing]

Will do the same for Gal. 5:1-20

Galatians 5:1-2: “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand rm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will [soon] be of no value to you at all. [If you listen to the men from Jerusalem and submit to circumcision, you will slip progressively deeper into the slavery that legalism demands. Your religious experience will be reduced to do’s and don’ts (the life of a slave) and the joy of knowing the riches of Christ will fade away. Your religious experience will become a ritual. Your growth in Christ will become stale because there is no faith. Is this what you want?

Do you want to deceive yourselves and think you can save yourselves from eternal death by obedience or do you want to trust God’s promises and walk with Him in Spirit and in Truth? Salvation comes to everyone who believes the promises of God. “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.”1]”

Galatians 5:3-6: “Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. [You will be obligated to obey more laws than you can count!] You who are trying to be justified by [obeying] the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace [God’s favor]. [Your efforts and Christ’s sacrifice have no value.] For through the Spirit we [believers] eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.”

Galatians 5:7-10: “[My dear children,] You were running a good race. Who cut in on you [pun intended] to keep you from obeying the truth? [I know who. I am well acquainted with the circumcision group. They love their religious slavery and self-righteousness. I once lived as they live. They foolishly think that rigorous obedience makes a man righteous in God’s sight.] That kind of persuasion does not come from the one [Holy Spirit] who calls you [to follow Christ]. [Jesus said,] ‘A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.’ [This means a little heresy contaminates the whole religion.] I am con dent in the Lord that you will take no other view [than believing in God’s promises]. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty.”

Galatians 5:11: “Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision [as some from Jerusalem falsely claim], why am I still being persecuted [by the Jews]? [If I am advocating Judaism, why do they hate me?] In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. [For the Jews do not accept this truth: Jesus terminated the “everlasting covenant” of circumcision given to Abraham – which was a covenant in the flesh. The Lord has shown me that “A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.”1]”

Galatians 5:12-15: “As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! [If they did this, they would have no more o spring! But] You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free [in Christ]. But [be careful,] do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh [the sinful nature which is naturally hostile toward the laws of God]; rather, [humbly accept God’s justification through the atonement and righteousness provided by Christ and] serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law [pertaining to man’s duty to man] is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Galatians 5:16-17: “So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. [“Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.”2] For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. [Be on your guard,] They [the flesh and the Spirit] are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.”

Galatians 5:18-24: “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law [as a means for justification]. [Notice how rebellion against God’s law works:] The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. [This is an essential truth. Do not be deceived. You cannot claim to be led by the Spirit and rebel against the laws of God! The Holy Spirit’s objective is to draw us into God’s presence by putting God’s laws in our hearts and minds. How else can we enjoy eternity with God?] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and [rebellious and immoral] desires.”

Does this give you a broader perspective?

 

[hawkman]

I worship the Lord seven days a week as it's not about a four walled building sitting there for an hour.

Amen sister ! He is worthy !

 

[ezrider]

ezider, My answer to your question is "yes". I have faith in Christ, I observe His seventh day sabbath as the commandments direct, as I believe it is required by those who love God as the first command would have us.
(Ecc. 12:13)

Which day do you worship on?

I choose no one day over another, I walk according to faith. But your comment above in which you say you believe it is required implies some sort of works based salvation. The scripture says the just shall live by faith.

Do you think observing the seventh day sabbath make you any more righteous than someone who doesn't.

Appreciate your openness. I see here you use Rm. 14:5, to justify that either the sabbath or the Lord's Day was not an issue with Paul. However, the texts within it's contexts is dealing with feast days, and not the weekly sabbath. For Paul clearly taught the moral law was not abolished, (Rm. 3:31)

When you asked which day I worship on, my first thought was the same scripture that Whatever posted, above was your reply to him. You say that we are using this scripture to "justify" a position on the sabbath, but then go try and inform us that we are somehow misusing this scripture because you think it deals with something else.

Can I ask you a question? Do you understand the difference between the letter of the word and the spirit of the word?

When I hear the spirit of the word, it really doesn't matter if you think the context applies to a feast day or if you think the context applies to a sabbath day. As the scripture saith, a man esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

In context, I see no feast days, I see no sabbath. What I do see is wisdom!!!

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

 

[ezrider]

The Bible clearly teaches He has. They are the ten commandments which He wrote with His own finger in stone. Why in stone? Because they would never change. And He demanded they be placed in the "Ark of His Covenant", on which His Glory rested, and nobody but the high priest was ever to look on either, but through a fog of incense, only one day out of the year, the Day of Atonement. You see, God didn't want any man tampering with His eternal moral law.

Why in stone? When the Lord first called the children of Israel to come up the mountain, the mountain that if any living thing touched it it would die, so that the Lord might write his laws in their hearts, the children of Israel refused, and chose to follow after Moses and the Stones instead.

With the promise of the new covenant, the scripture tells us the Lord promised to take from them their heart of stone, and give to them a heart of flesh that He might write is laws upon their hearts.


A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


What made their hearts turn to stone in the first place? Jesus cautioned us that because of iniquity, the hearts of many would wax cold. A heart that has waxed cold is a hardened heart, a stony heart. What do you think is the significance of the heart of flesh? When Jesus was tempted of the devil in the wilderness, the devil bid him to turn stone into bread. When you present the ten commandments and following the sabbath day as something required; Are you trying to serve me stone for bread?

 

[Whatever]

Whatever, Question, if the sabbath isn't a moral question, then why is it in the moral law?

Well, tell me how I am harming my neighbor by worshiping on Sunday?

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I find it interesting that when Jesus talks about the commandments He never talks about the first 4.

Matthew 19:17 And He (Jesus) said to him (the rich young ruler), “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he (the rich young ruler) said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Mark 10:19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”

Luke 18:20 You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’”