God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

[GodsGrace]

My conscience is clear.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the good news.

Faith comes by hearing, salvation and faith are a free gift from God.

The Lord draws those whom He has elected to salvation. I believe there are certain doctrines one has to believe to be saved and the Lord puts those beliefs in the heart of those whom He saves.

It is not some magic formula that many believe it to be.

What is your belief?

Faith comes by hearing.
We hear the good news and decide that we want to repent and turn toward God and serve Him.

By the grace of God we are saved through faith.
Grace and faith are gifts God gives to us because we want them.

We're not elected or prechosen by God, we become the elect because we responded yes to His saving grace.

I don't think you have to believe any doctrine to be saved....believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Acts 16:31

 

[electedbyHim]

Your conscience has not been formed by God.
Did you know that we cannot trust our conscience?

Conscience comes from God.

Martin Luther had it right. Wasn't he a reformer?
For to go against conscience is neither right nor safe.

 

[GodsGrace]

Should we lie and tell them they are going to heaven?

Be nice to people.
They listen to you more.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
If you turn them off, they'll never listen.

 

[electedbyHim]

Faith comes by hearing.
We hear the good news and decide that we want to repent and turn toward God and serve Him.

By the grace of God we are saved through faith.
Grace and faith are gifts God gives to us because we want them.

We're not elected or prechosen by God, we become the elect because we responded yes to His saving grace.

I don't think you have to believe any doctrine to be saved....believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Acts 16:31

We're not elected or prechosen by God

It is taught in the Bible, Jesus and all the disciples taught this.

It is in the O.T and the N.T.

To deny it is not taught is a lie of satan.

 

[GodsGrace]

Conscience comes from God.

Martin Luther had it right. Wasn't he a reformer?
For to go against conscience is neither right nor safe.

Sure.
But a well trained conscience.

Love God
Love Yourself
Love Your Neighbor

Do we really love our neighbor?

 

[GodsGrace]

It is taught in the Bible, Jesus and all the disciples taught this.

It is in the O.T and the N.T.

To deny it is not taught is a lie of satan.

Must go.
Post some verses that state we are elected by God.
Will discuss in the morning.

 

[electedbyHim]

Be nice to people.
They listen to you more.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
If you turn them off, they'll never listen.

I do not sugar coat Gods written word.

Jesus and the apostles did not sugar coat the word either.

I am not certain how I am not being nice.

I have a fervent zeal for the Lord and His written word.

I know, I know, I am a piece of work.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[electedbyHim]

Must go.
Post some verses that state we are elected by God.
Will discuss in the morning.

A Parable about Gods Sovereign Election

I did not post this in the Calvinism section because I do not believe the doctrine of Election is Calvinistic, it is Biblical. Of course many will be along to correct the Bible. Matthew 20:1-16 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers...

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[rogerg]

1. What did I say about ability?

2. If you say there is no mystery in how God picks the regenerated, then please explain how.

Tomorrow.

"Because Roger...
JUSTICE means to give to each one what he deserves."

If he is getting that which he deserves, then by definition, that which is deserved is, or can be different between people. If so, then what separates is in an inherent ability for each to do or to not do something to earn what is deserved: a distinction. How would you explain your use of "deserves" and what it means?
I said there is no mystery as to what the condemnation is. Regarding whom God has chosen,
had He informed us of His criteria (were there one, other than just of His pure selection,) then we would attempt to make that criteria into a work to try to achieve it, making it no more by grace but by work. Basically, it is that God chose whom He chose. You are looking to maneuver grace into work, instead of as a free gift.

 

[Iconoclast]

You see Iconoclast....
Your post is interesting.

You post from the LCF.
I only use the bible.

Funny, t'ain't it?

Guess what? The numbers after each section are bible verses used correctly.
You are not the only person who has and uses a bible.
They use it correctly,that is the difference....funny,taint it?

 

[Robert Pate]

"Because Roger...
JUSTICE means to give to each one what he deserves."

If he is getting that which he deserves, then by definition, that which is deserved is, or can be different between people. If so, then what separates is in an inherent ability for each to do or to not do something to earn what is deserved: a distinction. How would you explain your use of "deserves" and what it means?
I said there is no mystery as to what the condemnation is. Regarding whom God has chosen,
had He informed us of His criteria (were there one, other than just of His pure selection,) then we would attempt to make that criteria into a work to try to achieve it, making it no more by grace but by work. Basically, it is that God chose whom He chose. You are looking to maneuver grace into work, instead of as a free gift.

We don't want justice, we want mercy.

God has chosen all of humanity in Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. But all of humanity does not want Jesus Christ, they are the lost.

 

[rogerg]

We don't want justice, we want mercy.

God has chosen all of humanity in Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. But all of humanity does not want Jesus Christ, they are the lost.

You don't and can't want it on the basis that God gives it, or you would trust that salvation
is given only by and through Jesus Christ and is not of yourself. You want it to be like Burger King - done
your own way.
If God chose all humanity in Christ, then without question, all humanity must become saved.
So then, what does choice have to do with it, since the salvation transaction was entirely between
God the Father and Christ - not man, which transaction, because of Christ, was God well pleased.

 

[GodsGrace]

Who is we?

WE is the rest of Christianity except for the reformed.
WE know what we need to know about God.
But the reformed seem to know a different God than the rest of Christiandom.

What is it tha one knows about the nature of God?

The bible teaches us that God is loving, merciful and just.
This is not the God that John Calvin knew and/or taught.

We can only know so much from what His word says and it stops there. That is, unless you believe He is giving you extra biblical revelation about Himself.

We can know enough about Him to know how to be saved.
No extra-biblical information required.

God desires all men to be saved.
So He let us know, definitely, HOW to become saved.
Jesus did not come to earth only to be our atonement...
but also to teach us how to become a member of the Kingdom of God.

What the Bible does not tell us, is not our business to assume. If the good Lord wanted us to know He would reveal it, or He will not.

Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to Yahweh our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Grace and peace to you.

We cannot know everything about God.
But we do know what He wants us to know....
and that would be that He exists and how to be in fellowship with Him.
God desires us to love Him in return.
A free love, not a love He causes us to have for Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

Should we lie and tell them they are going to heaven?

Who said we should lie?
You must watch that guy, Comfort, on YouTube.
He uses your method.
But that won't really work in real life.

What we do is speak about a loving God.
Tell people why we believe.
Tell them what God did for us.
Be a good WITNESS.

Tell someone they're going to hell?
Would that have won YOU over?

 

[GodsGrace]

Guess what? The numbers after each section are bible verses used correctly.
You are not the only person who has and uses a bible.
They use it correctly,that is the difference....funny,taint it?

How do I know the bible verses are used correctly?
John Calvin got it all wrong as far as the rest of Christianity is concerned.

You should use the bible for support.
Most here don't really know or agree with the L or WCF, or any other one.

 

[rogerg]

WE is the rest of Christianity except for the reformed.
WE know what we need to know about God.
But the reformed seem to know a different God than the rest of Christiandom.

You, and those who believe as you do, obviously don't know Jesus Christ - that He is the Saviour. By your beliefs,
you supplant Him as Saviour thinking that something is required of you to become saved.
In that attempt, you try to make yourselves saviour.
True Christians trust in Christ alone as Saviour, not in themselves.

 

[GodsGrace]

You, and those who believe as you do, obviously don't know Jesus Christ - that He is the Saviour. By your beliefs,
you supplant Him as Saviour thinking that something is required of you to become saved.
In that attempt, you try to make yourselves saviour.
True Christians trust in Christ alone as Saviour, not in themselves.

I'm not answering this AGAIN Roger.

If you don't get, you don't get it.

Make ourselves savior!
I mean, really.

 

[rogerg]

I'm not answering this AGAIN Roger.

If you don't get, you don't get it.

Make ourselves savior!
I mean, really.

I didn't ask you a question and one that you couldn't answer if I had because of your lack understanding. I made a statement, one that is incontrovertible about your belief.
Anytime someone believes that something, anything, no matter how slight, is required of them for salvation,
then by that, they attempt to make themselves their saviour. Only for those who believe that Christ has already done everything perfectly for them with nothing required of them, of those, had He made Himself their Saviour.
Those are only the elect.

 

[GodsGrace]

"Because Roger...
JUSTICE means to give to each one what he deserves."

If he is getting that which he deserves, then by definition, that which is deserved is, or can be different between people. If so, then what separates is in an inherent ability for each to do or to not do something to earn what is deserved: a distinction. How would you explain your use of "deserves" and what it means?

Getting what one deserves is not an inherent ability.
If it's inherent, how could I deserve anything? It was there when I was born.
Remember, we're discussing God here, not human qualities.

With GOD, we will get what we deserve.
Jesus said in John 5:28-29 that we will receive judgment for what we have done...for what we deserve.
27and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.



If we seek Jesus, we will be rewarded, if not we will be lost...we will get what we deserve.
John 5:39-40
39“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
40and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.



IF we obey Jesus, we will be saved...we will deserve it.
John 8:51
51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”

I said there is no mystery as to what the condemnation is. Regarding whom God has chosen,
had He informed us of His criteria (were there one, other than just of His pure selection,) then we would attempt to make that criteria into a work to try to achieve it, making it no more by grace but by work. Basically, it is that God chose whom He chose. You are looking to maneuver grace into work, instead of as a free gift.

And here we go. We are dealing here, according to you, with a God that DOES NOT love His very creation (us),
a God that does not care to let us in on His secret of HOW we can become saved...in fact, He HIDES it from His creation.
and why?
Oh gosh...we might actually DO WHAT HE WISHES and become saved!!
Can't have that!
Maybe you don't really understand what grace is.
You sure do speak about it a lot.
But do you understand what it is...
I'm starting to doubt it.
There are books written on grace....
It is God's love for us, His mercy for us,
God loves us before we do ANYTHING for Him and He desires us to love Him back.
A real love, not a coerced love which He programmed into us from the beginning of the world.
We do not deserve this love from God...but He reveals Himself because He wants us to love Him,
He made us for love.

We must decide, however, within our life-time whether or not we want this relationship with God almighty.
If not, we will be lost and that will be what we deserve.



GRACE (חֶסֶד, chesed; “grace, mercy, steadfast love, compassion”; חֵן, chen; “grace, graciousness, kindness”; χάρις, charis; “grace, favor, graciousness, goodwill”). Gracious or merciful behavior of a more powerful person toward another. Displayed by the Lord toward humankind and by people towards each other in the Old Testament. Used to describe God or Christ in their merciful character or actions toward humankind in the New Testament. Spiritual gifts are described as “graces.” A literary device used at the beginning or end of many New Testament letters.

source: https://www.logos.com/grow/nook-wha...4XHU2oT444R_dcJ5J-TVca3dXaNQ0SrBoC9i0QAvD_BwE
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Gracious, the Hebrew word channun, in its verb form, means to be considerate, to show favor. That God is gracious would mean that he is favorably inclined toward us. That he wants to show favor to us. To do what is best for us.

God is gracious. Graciousness is not something that he puts on and takes off depending on the situation. He is always gracious. He does not decide to show us grace. Rather it is just who he is. Because he is gracious he demonstrates grace in everything he does.
source: https://www.christianity.com/wiki/god/what-is-gods-grace.html

 

[Iconoclast]

How do I know the bible verses are used correctly?
John Calvin got it all wrong as far as the rest of Christianity is concerned.

You should use the bible for support.
Most here don't really know or agree with the L or WCF, or any other one.

No one is discussing John Calvin, but you.
We are discussing the biblical teaching which you avoid.
You did not attempt to respond to 2 pet.3:9...