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God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

wondering

Go back to the other thread and read what you wrote.

This is not first grade, it ends here.
Your salutation does not conform to your statements. I wish it did.
Blessings and Peace
Again you cannot answer.

Yet you disrespect me when I have told you countless times I am not reformed.

I have no resentment towards you. But I do hate the lies that you spread about the Reformed brethren when you completely do not understand them. You and many others, falsely claim the Doctrines of Grace are heretical. However you have never proven that they are.

I have posted threads in the last few days about Election, they cannot be refuted.

Should a Christian worry about offending a persons feelings?

Jesus Christ offended all around Him with His deity and the gospel, that is why they crucified Him.

The fact is, the truth offends many.

Grace and peace to you.
 

wondering


Again you cannot answer.

Yet you disrespect me when I have told you countless times I am not reformed.

I have no resentment towards you. But I do hate the lies that you spread about the Reformed brethren when you completely do not understand them. You and many others, falsely claim the Doctrines of Grace are heretical. However you have never proven that they are.

I have posted threads in the last few days about Election, they cannot be refuted.

Should a Christian worry about offending a persons feelings?

Jesus Christ offended all around Him with His deity and the gospel, that is why they crucified Him.

The fact is, the truth offends many.

Grace and peace to you.
You're not Jesus.
And you told a new member she was headed for hell about 2 days ago. This is not acceptable on this forum.

If you believe in election, you're reformed.
If you do not want to be called reformed, change your doctrinal beliefs.

Will be replying to you on the election thread.
Please follow the TOS.
 
You're not Jesus.
And you told a new member she was headed for hell about 2 days ago. This is not acceptable on this forum.

If you believe in election, you're reformed.
If you do not want to be called reformed, change your doctrinal beliefs.

Will be replying to you on the election thread.
Please follow the TOS.
Are no all unsaved people on their way to hell? One cannot be saved if they do not acknowledge they are a sinner and in need of a Savior.

Why is that a problem? I was presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ. Did He not preach hell and damnation?

Should I have sugar coated the gospel and tell people that Jesus loves you, put your faith in him and you are saved.

You believe Catholic doctrine, as you have stated, but you also have said you are not Catholic.

Grace and peace to you.
 
A heresy is a teaching that is not in line with the accepted norm. In this case it would be mainline Christianity.

No other denomination agrees with predestination except the reformed.

This idea was not accepted by the early church and was believed to be gnostic in nature.

Not until 1,500AD was this concept presented.
 
Are no all unsaved people on their way to hell? One cannot be saved if they do not acknowledge they are a sinner and in need of a Savior.

Why is that a problem? I was presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ. Did He not preach hell and damnation?

Should I have sugar coated the gospel and tell people that Jesus loves you, put your faith in him and you are saved.

You believe Catholic doctrine, as you have stated, but you also have said you are not Catholic.

Grace and peace to you.
You have it backwards.
I do not agree with all catholic doctrine, which is why I'm not catholic.

And yes telling someone they're going to hell is not the best way to win someone over so that they'll LISTEN TO YOU.

However, that's your business.
Just please don't do this here.
Have you read the TOS?
Please take the time.
 
Because Roger...
JUSTICE means to give to each one what he deserves.

So think about that.

How does God give to each one as he deserves if the person is pre-programmed to act in a certain way
AND those that are reprobate have NO CHANCE to save themselves because God will not give them that change.

If we're all born sinners and deserve hell,
and if God was JUST,,,,
He'd send all of us to hell.

But God, in the reformed method, does not judge by violations already committed...
WE DON'T KNOW WHY HE JUDGES the way He does.

It's a mystery in your soteriology.

In mine IT IS NOT a myster.
God tells us in His word HOW to become saved....

so....

If we do not adhere to His method of salvation...
He is JUST to condemn us since we disobeyed Him and did not honor or worship Him.

Why can't YOU understand this?

You bring up a judge.
Would you like to be judged on the crime you committed,
or would your prefer to be judged on the condition that the judge in your courtroom uses,
which we cannot know what it is...but every 4 or 5 persons or so, he just condemns them to the elec. chair for no reason at all.

So, there is no standard, but instead, that justice should be meted out solely by a person's ability, and that would be the determining factor in what they deserve? Is that what you consider justice to be? One's ability? Really?
Based upon that, could anyone know where they stood in terms of their salvation? It could therefore be different for each, and every person depending upon their ability. You frame judgment within an arbitrary, variable context that allows you to determine outcome, rather than of God and of what He actually informs the condemnation is. There is no secret to it - it is not hidden: it is that "men loved darkness rather than light" - that is the condemnation, which, if not saved, we will be judged by, regardless of ability - it transcends ability and is irreparable by man because it is his heart - man is incapable of helping himself - and a belief in a faith derived of ourselves will not mitigate that, in fact it is further evidence of it, and a demonstration of what brought the condemnation .
What about those people who are incapable for reasons outside of their control to follow what you believe to be the requirements for salvation? Where is justice then? What happens to those? If they are of the elect, they will become saved regardless of abilities or situation- that is God's guarantee. Given that, your way isn't too equitable after all, is it?
Unless, that is, you are going to make further exceptions to the rules that you've placed on salvation.

[Jhn 3:19 KJV] 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[Jer 17:9 KJV]
9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[Heb 10:29 KJV]
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

[Rom 3:10-18 KJV]
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips: 14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
 
A heresy is a teaching that is not in line with the accepted norm. In this case it would be mainline Christianity.

No other denomination agrees with predestination except the reformed.

This idea was not accepted by the early church and was believed to be gnostic in nature.

Not until 1,500AD was this concept presented.
Christians are not the accepted norm and satan is very active when it comes to deceiving Christians. Satan has no need to deceive unbelievers, they already belong to him.

Those reformed heresies, as you call them, are taught in the Bible. The Puritans got in wrong as well?

Only the RCC has it right?

I have no ill will towards any humans. I do not like people assuming they know a doctrine and assign it to a certain denomination and call it heretical.

Grace and peace to you.
 
So, there is no standard, but instead, that justice should be meted out solely by a person's ability, and that would be the determining factor in what they deserve? Is that what you consider justice to be? One's ability? Really?
Based upon that, could anyone know where they stood in terms of their salvation? It could therefore be different for each, and every person depending upon their ability. You frame judgment within an arbitrary, variable context that allows you to determine outcome, rather than of God and of what He actually informs the condemnation is. There is no secret to it - it is not hidden: it is that "men loved darkness rather than light" - that is the condemnation, which, if not saved, we will be judged by, regardless of ability - it transcends ability and is irreparable by man because it is his heart - man is incapable of helping himself - and a belief in a faith derived of ourselves will not mitigate that, in fact it is further evidence of it, and a demonstration of what brought the condemnation .
What about those people who are incapable for reasons outside of their control to follow what you believe to be the requirements for salvation? Where is justice then? What happens to those? If they are of the elect, they will become saved regardless of abilities or situation- that is God's guarantee. Given that, your way isn't too equitable after all, is it?
Unless, that is, you are going to make further exceptions to the rules that you've placed on salvation.

[Jhn 3:19 KJV] 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[Jer 17:9 KJV]
9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[Heb 10:29 KJV]
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

[Rom 3:10-18 KJV]
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips: 14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
1. What did I say about ability?

2. If you say there is no mystery in how God picks the regenerated, then please explain how.

Tomorrow.
 
You have it backwards.
I do not agree with all catholic doctrine, which is why I'm not catholic.

And yes telling someone they're going to hell is not the best way to win someone over so that they'll LISTEN TO YOU.

However, that's your business.
Just please don't do this here.
Have you read the TOS?
Please take the time.
What?

Your kidding right? Do not tell sinners they on their way to hell.

Is that the new Christian norm? This is the problem with so-called Christianity.

And yes telling someone they're going to hell is not the best way to win someone over so that they'll LISTEN TO YOU.

That is the Lords business. I present the Gospel. The fact of the matter is none of us deserve Salivation, we all deserve hell and judgement.

I try to be as respectful as much I can and live in peace with all men as so much as it depends on me. My intentions and motivation is never to hurt anyone.

Grace and peace to you.
 
Christians are not the accepted norm and satan is very active when it comes to deceiving Christians. Satan has no need to deceive unbelievers, they already belong to him.

Those reformed heresies, as you call them, are taught in the Bible. The Puritans got in wrong as well?

Only the RCC has it right?

I have no ill will towards any humans. I do not like people assuming they know a doctrine and assign it to a certain denomination and call it heretical.

Grace and peace to you.
A denomination is known by its doctrine.
Reformed teachings go against everything we know about the nature of God.

I think it best to stop here.
Good night.
 
What?

Your kidding right? Do not tell sinners they on their way to hell.

Is that the new Christian norm? This is the problem with so-called Christianity.



That is the Lords business. I present the Gospel. The fact of the matter is none of us deserve Salivation, we all deserve hell and judgement.

I try to be as respectful as much I can and live in peace with all men as so much as it depends on me. My intentions and motivation is never to hurt anyone.

Grace and peace to you.
You hurt that member that was looking for an answer.
 
A denomination is known by its doctrine.
Reformed teachings go against everything we know about the nature of God.

I think it best to stop here.
Good night.
Who is we?

What is it tha one knows about the nature of God?

We can only know so much from what His word says and it stops there. That is, unless you believe He is giving you extra biblical revelation about Himself.

What the Bible does not tell us, is not our business to assume. If the good Lord wanted us to know He would reveal it, or He will not.

Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to Yahweh our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Grace and peace to you.
 
Who is we?

What is it tha one knows about the nature of God?

We can only know so much from what His word says and it stops there. That is, unless you believe He is giving you extra biblical revelation about Himself.

What the Bible does not tell us, is not our business to assume. If the good Lord wanted us to know He would reveal it, or He will not.

Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to Yahweh our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Grace and peace to you.
Let me ask you this..

How is a person saved?
 
By giving them the gospel?

My conscience is clear.
You told her she was going to hell.

How would you know?
Is that how to help a person?
You must have learned from John Piper.
Same attitude.

You cannot tell someone on THIS forum that they're going to hell.
 
Who is we?

What is it tha one knows about the nature of God?

We can only know so much from what His word says and it stops there. That is, unless you believe He is giving you extra biblical revelation about Himself.

What the Bible does not tell us, is not our business to assume. If the good Lord wanted us to know He would reveal it, or He will not.

Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to Yahweh our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Grace and peace to you.
We is every Christian, except the reformed.
 
You hurt that member that was looking for an answer.
My conscience is clear.
Let me ask you this..

How is a person saved?
The gospel of Jesus Christ is the good news.

Faith comes by hearing, salvation and faith are a free gift from God.

The Lord draws those whom He has elected to salvation. I believe there are certain doctrines one has to believe to be saved and the Lord puts those beliefs in the heart of those whom He saves.

It is not some magic formula that many believe it to be.

What is your belief?
 
You told her she was going to hell.

How would you know?
Is that how to help a person?
You must have learned from John Piper.
Same attitude.

You cannot tell someone on THIS forum that they're going to hell.
Should we lie and tell them they are going to heaven?
 
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