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Salvation by grace through faith; not through works / law-keeping.

Hopeful said:
Had you included verse 11 above you would see what he had not yet attained.
Phil 3:11..."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."

I guess you are saying you are not freed from sin yet.
That can change with a true repentance from sin.
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"...either were already perfect..."

he is not only speaking of the resurrection of the dead.

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Gal 3:22, But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Rom 11:32 (nlt), For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone.
 
justbyfaith said:
"...either were already perfect..."
he is not only speaking of the resurrection of the dead.
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The perfection mentioned here is again mentioned in the final verse of Phil 3..."21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

Which perfection do you think Phil 3:15 is talking about?
"15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."
As some have already been granted one kind of perfection, and another kind of perfection awaits, isn't it obvious that
there are two subjects of perfection?
One, of the vessel, but the other of the man inside the vessel?
justbyfaith said:
1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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John used an A-B, A-B, A-B system of verses here to juxtapose those who walk in darkness-sin with those who walk in light-God.
(Paul used the same kind of A-B juxtapositioning in Rom 8 where he juxtaposed those who walk in the flesh with those who walked in the Spirit.)
1 John 1:6, 8,and 10 apply to those walking in darkness-sin.
They cannot truthfully say they have no sin, or that they have fellowship with God.
1 John 1:5, 7, and 9 apply to those walking in the light, which is God.
If there is no sin in God, how can there be any sin in those walking in God?
justbyfaith said:
Gal 3:22, But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
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Thanks be to God for the gift of repentance FROM sin so we can be done with it permanently !
justbyfaith said:
Rom 11:32 (nlt), For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone.
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Thanks be to God for that mercy, and for the mercy to free us from service to sin. (John 8:32-34)
Are you still "imprisoned"?
 
justbyfaith said:
Yes, which shows that eternal life abides in those who truly love God and neighbor as scripture commands.

Such a love comes only from the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

We can't "muster it up" in the power of the flesh.

It is the gift of God.
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Sorry but two christian brothers are being referred to here in 1 John 3:15.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

Whoever, anyone of us, hates his brother, he is a murderer.


Again, no longer has eternal life remaining in him.






JLB
 
JLB said:
Sorry but two christian brothers are being referred to here in 1 John 3:15.
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

Whoever, anyone of us, hates his brother, he is a murderer.
Again, no longer has eternal life remaining in him.
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(Do you really feel that unbelievers are not included in our umbrella of love?)
 
Hopeful said:
(Do you really feel that unbelievers are not included in our umbrella of love?)
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No. I know God loves them and we are to be channels of God’s love to all people.


However, I quoted a specific scripture, with a specific context.


If anyone hates his brother… is very specific to two Christian brothers.


… his brother is clear.





JLB
 
JLB said:
No. I know God loves them and we are to be channels of God’s love to all people.
However, I quoted a specific scripture, with a specific context.
If anyone hates his brother… is very specific to two Christian brothers.
… his brother is clear.
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If he hates a member of the body of Christ, the hater/murderer isn't in the body of Christ.
So they are not brothers reborn of God.
1 John 3:15 could mean a brother in nation, or trade, or even a family member.
We all originally came from Adam.
 
Hopeful said:
If he hates a member of the body of Christ, the hater/murderer isn't in the body of Christ.
So they are not brothers reborn of God.
1 John 3:15 could mean a brother in nation, or trade, or even a family member.
We all originally came from Adam.
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Isn't there a difference between a brother and a neighbor?
 
Hopeful said:
If he hates a member of the body of Christ, the hater/murderer isn't in the body of Christ.
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Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

  • Whoever hates his brother

His brother refers to two brothers.




JLB
 
wondering said:
Isn't there a difference between a brother and a neighbor?
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Not necessarily.
Both/either can be family/brothers, or national/brothers, or religious /brothers.
All humans are brothers to all other humans, thanks to Adam.

Who "acted like" the robbery victim's brother in the Luke 10:30 parable?
The Samaritan.
Who WAS the brother of the victim?
All three mentioned by Jesus
 
JLB said:
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15
  • Whoever hates his brother
His brother refers to two brother.
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Isn't president Biden your brother?
Isn't ex-president Obama your brother?
Neither may be a family member or brother in Christ, but isn't every man on earth your brother in some or another manner?
All of us descended from Adam.
 
Hopeful said:
Isn't president Biden your brother?
Isn't ex-president Obama your brother?
Neither may be a family member or brother in Christ, but isn't every man on earth your brother in some or another manner?
All of us descended from Adam.
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In this passage John is referring to brother in Christ, not the world.

For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother. Mark 3:35


We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:14-15



JLB
 

John 8:31 (KJV)​

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed
 
JLB said:
In this passage John is referring to brother in Christ, not the world.
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It isn't saying to only confine your forgiveness to members of your church.
JLB said:
For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother. Mark 3:35
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If one sins against you, they are not Jesus' brother.
Sinners are the devil's children. (1 John 3:10)
JLB said:
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:14-15
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Every man on earth is our brother "of the world".
Not every man is a brother in Christ.
I will not confine my forgiveness to only a select group.
 
Hopeful said:
It isn't saying to only confine your forgiveness to members of your church.
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The scripture I quoted contextually involves two brothers in Christ; two people that have eternal life abiding in them.



JLB
 
Hopeful said:
True, but is that any reason not to forgive them if they hurt you?
We all descended from Adam, so we are all brothers, in that sense.
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We are to forgive anyone, however the subject and context of the verse I gave involves two brothers in Christ, which by default mean are two brothers who love and have eternal life abiding in them.



JLB
 
Highway54 said:
The Bible states very clearly that salvation (the gift of everlasting life) is a gift Rom 6:23

There are conditions that must be met however Mat 7:21-23
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You're mixing the old and new covenants. Romans was written after Jesus' sacrifice and the giving of the Holy Spirit. Matthew's gospel was written before Jesus' sacrifice and the giving of the Holy Spirit. Because of Jesus' sacrifice, all sins have been forgiven.
 
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