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THE SONS OF GOD IN GENESIS 6:1-7

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No confusion at all.
Mark makes clear that the man's affliction is the result of him being possessed.
Write that down.

Mar 5:16
"... him that was possessed with the devil"

You on the other hand have made clear that an "attitude" ,which cannot possess a body is responsible for the man's affliction.
Both cannot be true .

Standing by for a more elaborate complex explanation that yes the man was possessed by "him" as Mark says, but with a duel diagnosis of bad attitude.
It seems you believe Christ didn't die for the sins of our bad, sin-ful, evil attitudes of our mind.
That's one aspect of the sin-ful nature of man not atoned.
Ever heard the term of someone deeply committed to a certain goal that "that man is a possessed man!?"
Thoughts are intangible, even spirit-like.
You can't see thoughts.
You can feel thoughts.
You can sense certain thoughts on the countenance.
Thoughts are sincere or thoughts can be evil.
Thoughts are of the mind.

On the other hand for those that believe "sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-7...
You believe God is not Sovereign and cannot control His creations.
You believe angels, although spirits have the Deific ability of creation to create human bodies and then inhabit them.
You believe angels can possess humans although there is no Scripture in all of Bible that says this.
You believe that the fact that the number of angels is FIXED you and others believe angels have genitals and as spirits can mate with human women.
You believe that although God ordained that creatures with procreative powers mate with "after their kind" that angels can mate with humans NOT "after their kind." A violation of the ordination of God. That's like God made the moon of rock and dust and other materials that instead it's made of cheese.
You believe that angels just so happen to have sperm compatible with human women to have babies.
You refuse to believe that through close genetic offspring cannot be deformed such as sister and brother having a kid and the great possibility that child will be born deformed. You believe this is not what happen.
You make a great leap of faith that angels that left their first estate and their own abode are the angels that Peter says are reserved in everlasting chains of darkness. But Peter does not make that connection. You do.
I may have left somethings out.
You spiritualize the practical and make new teaching in the field of Angelology that sound professors and scholars do not teach.
Good luck.
 
Highway54
The point was the breathing fallen sons of God (on earth) saw the women and gave up their celibacy. They perished in the flood. Other good angels continued to interact with humanity as messengers (their true angelic estate as messengers of God). There was no resurrection for them (bad angels) till their eternal move into eternal punishment. Jesus was raised from the dead.

jeremiah1five
If the sons of God were living breathing beings they perished.

In heaven the angelic host lost 30%

On earth the human / angelic mutation sinners lost 100%? Sinner men too?

One family groups of 8 (or your definition of the 8) survived. The only human spiritual group were the 8. Any other people who once might have qualified as Sons of God were dead or fallen into sin by the Genesis 6 scripture.

IMHO
Mississippi redneck
eddif
In at least 120 years and maybe more from before the promised flood maybe these "sons of God" from Seth did perish. They chose to marry outside Covenant and become unequally yoked. For their acts of disobedience maybe they did perish. You and I know that if the men were human sons of God and disobeyed God and married non-Covenant women then judgment came. Who are we to determine for God the way in which He chooses to apply His Covenant and save people?
 
Tell me if you can.

What was their "proper domain?"
What was their "own abode?"
Describe through Scripture.
Please.

Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 18:10

Angels in heaven, watch over and keep us and protect us as well as minister for us as heirs of salvation.

Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation? Hebrews 1:14


They are sent from heaven to earth to bring messages from God to his people.


Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God, yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. Daniel 9:20-21


Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.
Luke 1:26-27




JLB
 
The giants seem to precede the Fallen sons of God, and their interaction with women. That would seem to indicate genetic Giants. The Fallen sons of God did not cause or eradicate the Giants. IMHO

The giants, Nephilim were a direct result of the sons of God, coming into the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4


  • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

There is no mention of giants (Nephilim) or sons of God mentioned in scripture, in the genealogy before or after Genesis 6.



JLB
 
It seems you believe Christ didn't die for the sins of our bad, sin-ful, evil attitudes of our mind.
That's one aspect of the sin-ful nature of man not atoned.
Ever heard the term of someone deeply committed to a certain goal that "that man is a possessed man!?"
Thoughts are intangible, even spirit-like.
You can't see thoughts.
You can feel thoughts.
You can sense certain thoughts on the countenance.
Thoughts are sincere or thoughts can be evil.
Thoughts are of the mind.

On the other hand for those that believe "sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-7...
You believe God is not Sovereign and cannot control His creations.
You believe angels, although spirits have the Deific ability of creation to create human bodies and then inhabit them.
You believe angels can possess humans although there is no Scripture in all of Bible that says this.
You believe that the fact that the number of angels is FIXED you and others believe angels have genitals and as spirits can mate with human women.
You believe that although God ordained that creatures with procreative powers mate with "after their kind" that angels can mate with humans NOT "after their kind." A violation of the ordination of God. That's like God made the moon of rock and dust and other materials that instead it's made of cheese.
You believe that angels just so happen to have sperm compatible with human women to have babies.
You refuse to believe that through close genetic offspring cannot be deformed such as sister and brother having a kid and the great possibility that child will be born deformed. You believe this is not what happen.
You make a great leap of faith that angels that left their first estate and their own abode are the angels that Peter says are reserved in everlasting chains of darkness. But Peter does not make that connection. You do.
I may have left somethings out.
You spiritualize the practical and make new teaching in the field of Angelology that sound professors and scholars do not teach.
Good luck.
You blowing a considerable amount of smoke at this point.
You still have not even answered my first question regarding your first assertion that the " sons of God" being mere mortals were able to have a face to face meeting with God
By what mechanism did this group of mortal men leave planet earth and accomplish a face to face meeting with God, with Satan coming along for the ride as you claim ?

jeremiah1five said:
"But worshipers, such as these human "sons of God" do present themselves to the Lord as indicated.
And the adversary went with them."

Standing by for more smoke blowing.
 
The giants, Nephilim were a direct result of the sons of God, coming into the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4


  • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

There is no mention of giants (Nephilim) or sons of God mentioned in scripture, in the genealogy before or after Genesis 6.



JLB
As posters we are sure different on what we get out of a verse.

In those days there were giants on the earth
Redneck version

Statement of giants being around
Pause to digest that thought….. Ok there are Giants.

And afterward
When afterward? Afterward means after some time?
Pause for time to go by.
Ok time has gone by
Then
The giants were still there.
When the Sons of God came into the daughters of men.

I just see the giants around before the sons of God interaction with women, and while
the sons of God interact with women the Giants are still on earth.

The offspring are men of renoun. It does not say if they were giants or not giants.

Now tradition may say a lot, but tradition is not always true.

Job 1:6 kjv
6. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Appears that the king James says sons of god outside of Genesis.

eddif
 
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Appears that the king James says sons of god outside of Genesis.

Were the sons of God in Job, a reference to angels or humans?
 
As posters we are sure different on what we get out of a verse.

In those days there were giants on the earth
Redneck version

Statement of giants being around
Pause to digest that thought….. Ok there are Giants.

And afterward
When afterward? Afterward means after some time?
Pause for time to go by.
Ok time has gone by
Then
The giants were still there.
When the Sons of God came into the daughters of men.

I just see the giants around before the sons of God interaction with women, and while
the sons of God interact with women the Giants are still on earth.

The offspring are men of renoun. It does not say if they were giants or not giants.

Now tradition may say a lot, but tradition is not always true.

Job 1:6 kjv
6. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Appears that the king James says sons of god outside of Genesis.

eddif

The scripture is clear as to how the giants were produced.

  • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

When the sons of God...

There were giants on the earth in those days when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4




JLB
 
The scripture is clear as to how the giants were produced.

  • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

When the sons of God...

There were giants on the earth in those days when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4




JLB
In those days and afterward. LOL

Truce for now and maybe afterward,
 
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Jeremiah1five said,
"The "sons of God" in verse 2 are the human, godly line of Seth. The godly line of Seth were disobedient and took wives of the ungodly daughters of men, had children, and because of the sin nature in man and the influence of the ungodly women wives upon the children, they were without restraint of the Covenant godly line of Seth and were grown to be dictators and bullies in their society. I know Christians take "sons of God" as angels, but angels are first, a fixed number, have no genitals, and cannot mate with flesh." [/QUOTE\]

The first mention of “sons of the true God” is at Genesis 6:2-4. There such sons are spoken of as ‘beginning to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose,’ this prior to the global Flood.

Many commentators hold that these ‘sons of God’ were themselves human, being in reality men of the line of Seth. They base their argument on the fact that Seth’s line was that through which godly Noah came, whereas the other lines from Adam, that of Cain and those of any other sons born to Adam (Ge 5:3, 4), were destroyed at the Flood. So, they say that the taking as wives “the daughters of men” by “the sons of the true God” means that Sethites began to marry into the line of wicked Cain.

There is, however, nothing to show that God made any such distinction between family lines at this point. Corroborating Scriptural evidence is lacking to support the view that intermarriage between the lines of Seth and Cain is what is here meant, or that such marriages were responsible for the birth of “mighty ones” as mentioned in verse 4. It is true that the expression “sons of men [or “of mankind”]” (which those favoring the earlier mentioned view would contrast with the expression ‘sons of God’) is frequently used in an unfavorable sense, but this is not consistently so.( Psalm 4:2; 57:4; Proverbs 8:22, 30, 31; Jeremiah 32:18, 19; Daniel 10:16)

There is an explanation that finds corroborating evidence in the Scriptures. The expression “sons of the true God” next occurs at Job 1:6, and here the reference is obviously to spirit sons of God assembled in God’s presence, among whom Satan, who had been “roving about in the earth,” also appeared. (Job 1:7; 2:1, 2) Again at 38:4-7 “the sons of God” who ‘shouted in applause’ when God ‘laid the cornerstone’ of the earth clearly were angelic sons and not humans descended from Adam (as yet not even created). So, too, at Psalm 89:6 “the sons of God” are definitely heavenly creatures, not earthlings.

The identification of “the sons of the true God” at Genesis 6:2-4 with angelic creatures is objected to by those holding the previously mentioned view because they say the context relates entirely to human wickedness. This objection is not valid, however, since the wrongful interjection of spirit creatures in human affairs most certainly could contribute to or accelerate the growth of human wickedness. Wicked spirit creatures during Jesus’ time on earth, though not then materializing in visible form, were responsible for wrong human conduct of an extreme nature. The mention of a mixing into human affairs by angelic sons of God could reasonably appear in the Genesis account precisely because of its explaining to a considerable degree the gravity of the situation that had developed on earth prior to the Flood.

Supporting this are the apostle Peter’s references to “the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days” (1Peter 3:19, 20), and to “the angels that sinned,” mentioned in connection with the “ancient world” of Noah’s time (2 Peter 2:4, 5), as well as Jude’s statement concerning “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” (Jude 6) If it is denied that “the sons of the true God” of Genesis 6:2-4 were spirit creatures, then these statements by the Christian writers become enigmatic, with nothing to explain the manner in which this angelic disobedience took place, or its actual relation to Noah’s time.

Angels definitely did materialize human bodies on occasion, even eating and drinking with men. (Genesis 18:1-22; 19:1-3) Jesus’ statement concerning resurrected men and women not marrying or being given in marriage but being like the “angels in heaven” shows that marriages between such heavenly creatures do not exist, no male and female distinction being indicated among them. (Matthew 22:30) But this does not say that such angelic creatures could not materialize human forms and enter marriage relations with human women. It should be noted that Jude’s reference to angels as not keeping their original position and to them as forsaking their “proper dwelling place” (certainly here referring to an abandoning of the spirit realm) is immediately followed by the statement: “So too Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them, after they in the same manner as the foregoing ones had committed fornication excessively and gone out after flesh for unnatural use, are placed before us as a warning example.” (Jude 6, 7) So, the combined weight of the Scriptural evidence points to angelic deviation, the performance of acts contrary to their spirit nature, occurring in the days of Noah. I don't believe there is a valid reason, for doubting that the ‘sons of God’ of Genesis 6:2-4 were angelic sons.
 
Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 18:10

Angels in heaven, watch over and keep us and protect us as well as minister for us as heirs of salvation.

Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation? Hebrews 1:14


They are sent from heaven to earth to bring messages from God to his people.


Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God, yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. Daniel 9:20-21


Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.
Luke 1:26-27




JLB
Those are the good, elect angels. And that ministry is AFTER the fall of Lucifer and his buddies.
What was the proper domain and their own abode? The ones God put in everlasting chains of darkness?
 
Those that believe the sons of God in Genesis 6:1-7 DO NOT believe God is Sovereign.
Nor do they believe the ordained command to mate "after their kind." This is a natural fact. Cows mate with cows and have more cows. A horse cannot mate with a rabbit and have offspring.
A cat cannot mate with a dog and have offspring. THIS IS ORDAINED by God.
Take a closer LOOK!

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose Gen. 6:1–2.

Men began to multiply and these MEN, these sons OF GOD married and were UNEQUALLY YOKED to the daughters of man and their offspring became TYRANTS and BULLIES, just as the word is defined.

To take MEN and SONS of God as angels is to NOT be honest with Scripture.
 
Those are the good, elect angels. And that ministry is AFTER the fall of Lucifer and his buddies.
What was the proper domain and their own abode? The ones God put in everlasting chains of darkness?

Please use scripture.

Here is what the scriptures teach.

The scripture is clear as to how the giants were produced.

  • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

When the sons of God...

There were giants on the earth in those days when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
 
Please use scripture.

Here is what the scriptures teach.

The scripture is clear as to how the giants were produced.

  • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

When the sons of God...

There were giants on the earth in those days when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen. 6:4.

Giants: [Strong's]
or nephil, nef-eel’; from <H5307> (naphal); properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant.

PROPERLY a "bully" or "tyrant."
This is what you get when in human marriage they are unequally yoked: human sons of God and human daughters of men, who were without restriction, law, or conscience.

Show me where "giants" translates to angels.
 
Giants in the promised land !

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

There are no coincidences .
 
Doesn't God have the last word on what's good and what's evil?
If that's what you mean?
I think you understand my meaning Jeremiah, the truth is either God is evil or He is not. Might does not necessarily make right sir. Humans even after Adams sin still have a basic understanding of right and wrong. Many teach, not us Christians of course, that God is going to torture people eternally in a burning hell. Imagine what a judge would do to a parent that burnt their child by putting their hand in a fire for punishment, I think you get the drift.

There are many actions God has performed that even Christians cannot understand at this time, but we are living in satans system right now, in the near future he will be locked away and God will show what He can do in just one millennium to erase the 6 satan has had to show his godship. That is where all humans really get to see the contrast between the God of Love, and those who rebelled against Him.
 
Giants in the promised land !

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

There are no coincidences .
These giants are no different than the unrestricted tyrants of Genesis.
Offspring of unbelievers. Unschooled in the things of God.
Bullies. And you haven't shown me these giants are angels as I asked.
 

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