THE SONS OF GOD IN GENESIS 6:1-7

[jeremiah1five]

Until he (first) ate of the same tree that corrupted Adam and Eve, indeed he was.

It seems you don't know what morally is.
Where in Scripture does the serpent that deceived the woman ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

 

[jeremiah1five]

For me their association with Satan makes clear that these sons of God are the angels that rebelled with Satan.
You notice that they are coming into God's presence from elsewhere.
That elsewhere being the earth.
What does a spirit look like when it is " walking " ?


Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Satan means "adversary." It doesn't mean Lucifer. It is both noun and verb. It's not a pronoun.
The fallen angels do not "present themselves to the Lord." They're all locked up in jail.
But worshipers, such as these human "sons of God" do present themselves to the Lord as indicated.
And the adversary went with them.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Anyway, I think that we are getting dangerously close to having arguments about words which scripture says not to do because it is subverting to the hearers.

Are there arguments?
I'm discussing. I'm not arguing with anyone on this thread.
You?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus is "the image of the invisible God"...and He is God come in human flesh.

He also gives His glory to His own people according to 2 Thessalonians 2:14.

And what glory is that?

 

[justbyfaith]

It seems you don't know what morally is.
Where in Scripture does the serpent that deceived the woman ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

It is the only obvious conclusion...he ate of it himself and wanted to give the woman a taste.

he was slithering across the tree when Eve met him.

Also, God made everything very good...

So, in order to become evil, the serpent would have had to have partaken of the tree of knowledge.

 

[justbyfaith]

And what glory is that?

The glory of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are there arguments?
I'm discussing. I'm not arguing with anyone on this thread.
You?

You seem to be having an argument with me about the meaning of the word "good" in Genesis 1:31.

The scriptures teach that arguing over words is unprofitable and useless and subverts the hearers.

 

[Highway54]

This conversation is very complex.

Jesus the Word Of God Became flesh and dwelt among men and died. If we stop there, we have angels leaving heaven in some sort of physical state. And the flood seems to have destroyed their physical existence. (here is my speculation in spite of everything). Their eternal part (difference in angels and men) I do not understand.

Back to Jesus:
Jesus got his body back
Could go through walls
Bore marks of his death
Returned to heaven

Back to angels
They have lost their physical?
Their eternal part is what? Evil spirit?

We are not born married.
If our passions are under control we can serve God in that estate. If we chose to marry we will have certain problems. Is it sin to marry? No.

So do we chose to study our first estate? We probably miss the opportunity to look at ourselves and discuss fallen angels . LOL

We cop out on so much of what is going on.
I sure include myself in all this. The hints about our first estate are there. The Born again experience is revealed. Will we see the parallels and learn?

Law in heart and mind. See the flesh. See the new Spirit.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Jeremiah's question was who were the sons of God in Gen 6 Ed, so may I ask what is your point sir?

 

[Highway54]

Correct. If He didn't Will it, then it never happens.

Free will in man and angel is an illusion. NOT EVEN GOD has free will as we do. He has only ONE WILL: Good.
You can choose the grey sweater or white shirt to wear today, but even THAT choice is ordained by God and predestined for you. But to choose something that is creatively and naturally IMPOSSIBLE you can't do. You can't jump over 50 feet in the air without mechanical assistance. God cannot create a rock to heavy He can't move it.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

We choose in accordance with our nature. A lion will eat meat but not chicken feed. Put both in front of it and see which it chooses. A leopard cannot change its spots.

Take note: It was God who made it all happen, even the fire from heaven.

and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:3.

You can choose the grey sweater or white shirt to wear today, but even THAT choice is ordained by God and predestined for you.

No sir, we do not blame God. We believe James 1:13-15 Jeremiah. I definitely hope you are in error, and time will tell for sure.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It is the only obvious conclusion...he ate of it himself and wanted to give the woman a taste.

he was slithering across the tree when Eve met him.

Also, God made everything very good...

So, in order to become evil, the serpent would have had to have partaken of the tree of knowledge.

The tree doesn't make anyone evil.
It's called the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.
Ever wonder why?

 

[jeremiah1five]

No sir, we do not blame God. We believe James 1:13-15 Jeremiah. I definitely hope you are in error, and time will tell for sure.

There's no blame to assign.
We either accept the will of God or we rebel against it.

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom. 9:20–21.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The glory of God.

Define the glory of God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You seem to be having an argument with me about the meaning of the word "good" in Genesis 1:31.

The scriptures teach that arguing over words is unprofitable and useless and subverts the hearers.

I'm not arguing. Are you? If you are arguing then stop. Submit that you are not of any understanding and position on this question. That's OK because I post to elicit a THINKING response from members here. And if they can learn something from my knowledge and experience then that's what God desires. He's not an absentee Father and His kids are not idiots.
Not those true-born of Him. God wants smart kids. Intelligent kids. Kids that can look at His Word, study, ask questions, and come to the knowledge of the truth.

I'm debating the question I posed and providing answer through Scripture and reason.
Do you know anything about this subject? Are you guessing? Have you studied this question?

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
Is. 1:18.

 

[eddif]

Jeremiah's question was who were the sons of God in Gen 6 Ed, so may I ask what is your point sir?

I am not ignoring you. I am giving everyone a break from my multiple posts. The weekend is sometimes quiet. Perhaps I will post later this weekend.

eddif

 

[Consecrated Life]

Satan means "adversary." It doesn't mean Lucifer. It is both noun and verb. It's not a pronoun.
The fallen angels do not "present themselves to the Lord." They're all locked up in jail.
But worshipers, such as these human "sons of God" do present themselves to the Lord as indicated.
And the adversary went with them.

A Human collective makes a pilgrimage from earth into the realm of God's presence for a short visit.
Really?
What mode of transport did this human collective use to stop by heaven for a visit. a rocket ship perhaps ?

If they are not fallen angels, who then created the demons that now roam the earth accomplishing evil ?
How are these demonic spirits different then the spirits that are now locked up ?
Who gives these free range demonic spirits their marching orders ?

 

[JLB]

The issue is can angels fallen or elect create bodies to inhabit?

This post contains no such language as “angels created bodies”.

Those are your words not mine nor do the scriptures teach us such things.

Angels have the ability to manifest in this realm as human; men


Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”
They said, “Do as you have said.” Genesis 18:1-5

These two men who came with the Lord were angels, yet they could eat food and drink.

They had feet that became dirty, indicating the human features.


These angels left they spirit realm, their abode and took on human form, to accompany the Lord on His mission.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 1:6


Please address the actual content of my post and the actual words of scripture.

Jude 1:6 refers to the angels that were cast down to hell because they left their own abode, and did not keep their proper domain, and were associated with sexual immorality.

• And the angels who did not keep their proper domain

• but left their own abode

JLB

 

[justbyfaith]

The tree doesn't make anyone evil.
It's called the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.
Ever wonder why?

Because to eat of it would be to violate a direct commandment of the Lord; and therefore in partaking of it a person would come to know evil as well as good.

Before the tree, Adam and Eve were simply innocent...they didn't know the difference between right and wrong.

But if they had committed wrong before the tree, God would have most certainly been angry with them.

Because He knows the difference between good and evil.

I'm not arguing. Are you? If you are arguing then stop. Submit that you are not of any understanding and position on this question. That's OK because I post to elicit a THINKING response from members here. And if they can learn something from my knowledge and experience then that's what God desires. He's not an absentee Father and His kids are not idiots.
Not those true-born of Him. God wants smart kids. Intelligent kids. Kids that can look at His Word, study, ask questions, and come to the knowledge of the truth.

I'm debating the question I posed and providing answer through Scripture and reason.
Do you know anything about this subject? Are you guessing? Have you studied this question?

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
Is. 1:18.

You have been arguing over the meaning of "very good" in Genesis 1:31. For you say that it cannot be referring to moral goodness. In doing this, you are arguing over the meaning of a word; and such a thing can only lead to the subverting of the hearers.

 

[jeremiah1five]

A Human collective makes a pilgrimage from earth into the realm of God's presence for a short visit.
Really?
What mode of transport did this human collective use to stop by heaven for a visit. a rocket ship perhaps ?

If they are not fallen angels, who then created the demons that now roam the earth accomplishing evil ?
How are these demonic spirits different then the spirits that are now locked up ?
Who gives these free range demonic spirits their marching orders ?

More than one and you use the plural.
No. Uber.
Demons are not any fallen angels or any other created entity. Demons/evil spirits are attitudes. Good and evil attitudes.
These attitudes are a part of the mind. The human mind. Before Christ ministered to a demonic He had to first subdue the attitude. Repentance occurs in the mind. It is a change of mind. Like what Judas did. The two demoniacs that were in the tombs Christ had to subdue the offensive attitude of them both before He could minister. When He was done the Scripture says:

15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. Mk. 5:15.

That is significant. Thoughts are intangible. Spiritual, if you will. You can see a thought in yourself or in others but you can surely sense or "feel" them. Ever walk into a room and sense a 'heaviness' in the room? Somebody is brooding or seriously emanating a negative attitude. This is what spooked the swine. These 'demons' the church believes are angels, fallen angels doesn't make sense. Why coin a new word in Greek to transliterate the Hebrew word? If they are fallen angels why not use the Hebrew "malak" or the Greek "angelos?" There's something else going on here and nowhere else does the church take "demons" as being attitudes.

You know what I'm talking about. These attitudes are revealed in the countenance. You can discern a sad, worried, troubled, or otherwise negative attitude. If you have teen kids, I think you understand. (Smiley-face). If not you were a kid once and gave your parents such attitudes when you didn't get your way.
By the way...how you 'feeling?'

 

[DJT_47]

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen. 6:1–2.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen. 6:4.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen. 6:5–6.

7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen. 6:7.

The "sons of God" in verse 2 are the human, godly line of Seth. The godly line of Seth were disobedient and took wives of the ungodly daughters of men, had children, and because of the sin nature in man and the influence of the ungodly women wives upon the children, they were without restraint of the Covenant godly line of Seth and were grown to be dictators and bullies in their society. I know Christians take "sons of God" as angels, but angels are first, a fixed number, have no genitals, and cannot mate with flesh.

The passage cannot be 100% understood, but it infers that the "sons of God" were something other than human. Same can be said of the "sons of God" in the book of Job. It cannot be clearly ascertained as to who they were or from where they came. Could be aliens!

 

[jeremiah1five]

This post contains no such language as “angels created bodies”.

Those are your words not mine nor do the scriptures teach us such things.

Angels have the ability to manifest in this realm as human; men


Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”
They said, “Do as you have said.” Genesis 18:1-5

These two men who came with the Lord were angels, yet they could eat food and drink.

They had feet that became dirty, indicating the human features.


These angels left they spirit realm, their abode and took on human form, to accompany the Lord on His mission.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 1:6


Please address the actual content of my post and the actual words of scripture.

Jude 1:6 refers to the angels that were cast down to hell because they left their own abode, and did not keep their proper domain, and were associated with sexual immorality.

• And the angels who did not keep their proper domain
• but left their own abode

JLB

Manifest. Created. Semantics.
When you give glory to Lucifer, fallen angels, or any other obedient servants of God then one comes up with such teaching as you hold. God is Sovereign. God used the sinfulness in fallen angels and man (Adam) BEFORE their actual sin to accomplish His Will. When sin was found in Lucifer he was cut down immediately. Angels that 'left their abode' do not necessarily need to act on their sin in order to be dealt with by God. There are no angels, fallen or elect, that do what they want and imagine. Towards Adam it was the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil. There was no poison in the fruit. They didn't metamorphose or change in their nature or makeup. They were created sin-ful which is why they sinned. Fallen angels were created sin-ful which is why they sinned. Except God did not offer salvation to the fallen angels. But God did offer salvation to men in general and His elect people specifically.

I think you're making things up:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 6.

Where do you get sexual immorality in this verse?
It doesn't say.