THE SONS OF GOD IN GENESIS 6:1-7

[jeremiah1five]

Because to eat of it would be to violate a direct commandment of the Lord; and therefore in partaking of it a person would come to know evil as well as good.

Before the tree, Adam and Eve were simply innocent...they didn't know the difference between right and wrong.

But if they had committed wrong before the tree, God would have most certainly been angry with them.

Because He knows the difference between good and evil.


You have been arguing over the meaning of "very good" in Genesis 1:31. For you say that it cannot be referring to moral goodness. In doing this, you are arguing over the meaning of a word; and such a thing can only lead to the subverting of the hearers.

There's a reason why Adam sinned:

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

Sin/wickedness comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy or righteous or neutral or innocent.
God cannot reduplicate Himself in matter. There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory (of which holiness, righteousness, omniscience, etc. are His glory) to NO ONE. Adam was created "missing the mark." What is that 'mark?'
The glory of God. Or the glory that is God.

Truth does not subvert its hearers or readers. There's no arguing. I think this thread has some good debating going on.
So, if you don't start sumthin' there won't be sumthin'.
Ya falla?

 

[jeremiah1five]

The passage cannot be 100% understood, but it infers that the "sons of God" were something other than human. Same can be said of the "sons of God" in the book of Job. It cannot be clearly ascertained as to who they were or from where they came. Could be aliens!

People that spiritualize the practical come up with lots of far-out beliefs.

 

[justbyfaith]

There's a reason why Adam sinned:

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

Sin/wickedness comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy or righteous or neutral or innocent.
God cannot reduplicate Himself in matter. There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory (of which holiness, righteousness, omniscience, etc. are His glory) to NO ONE. Adam was created "missing the mark." What is that 'mark?'
The glory of God. Or the glory that is God.

Truth does not subvert its hearers or readers. There's no arguing. I think this thread has some good debating going on.
So, if you don't start sumthin' there won't be sumthin'.
Ya falla?

It has been said that Adam partook of the fruit because he loved his wife...a purely benevolent motivation.

Your contention about the word "good" is not the truth. It is arguing about words which has the capacity to subvert the hearers. Moral goodness is clearly included in the definition.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It has been said that Adam partook of the fruit because he loved his wife...a purely benevolent motivation.

Your contention about the word "good" is not the truth. It is arguing about words which has the capacity to subvert the hearers. Moral goodness is clearly included in the definition.

Methinks thou art reading INTO the Script. It doesn't say that's what happen.

The truth doesn't subvert the hearers unless they are heretic and are turned around.
But God commands His people to get knowledge and with all our getting get wisdom and understanding.

5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; Prov. 1:5.

7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: Prov. 1:7.

23 Turn you at my reproof:
Behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you. Prov. 1:23.

3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge,
And liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4 If thou seekest her as silver,
And searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD,
And find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD giveth wisdom:
Out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding Prov. 2:3–6.

So, if you're not listening to God when His knowledge comes to teach you then you will remain ignorant. He wants us to learn His Word. That is His Command.

 

[Consecrated Life]

More than one and you use the plural.
No. Uber.
Demons are not any fallen angels or any other created entity. Demons/evil spirits are attitudes. Good and evil attitudes.
These attitudes are a part of the mind. The human mind. Before Christ ministered to a demonic He had to first subdue the attitude. Repentance occurs in the mind. It is a change of mind. Like what Judas did. The two demoniacs that were in the tombs Christ had to subdue the offensive attitude of them both before He could minister. When He was done the Scripture says:

15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. Mk. 5:15.

That is significant. Thoughts are intangible. Spiritual, if you will. You can see a thought in yourself or in others but you can surely sense or "feel" them. Ever walk into a room and sense a 'heaviness' in the room? Somebody is brooding or seriously emanating a negative attitude. This is what spooked the swine. These 'demons' the church believes are angels, fallen angels doesn't make sense. Why coin a new word in Greek to transliterate the Hebrew word? If they are fallen angels why not use the Hebrew "malak" or the Greek "angelos?" There's something else going on here and nowhere else does the church take "demons" as being attitudes.

You know what I'm talking about. These attitudes are revealed in the countenance. You can discern a sad, worried, troubled, or otherwise negative attitude. If you have teen kids, I think you understand. (Smiley-face). If not you were a kid once and gave your parents such attitudes when you didn't get your way.
By the way...how you 'feeling?'

For me, the Jesus I know would not waste time asking an "attitude" for the attitude's name.
But He would ask a personality for " His" name .
Which is exactly what the verse describes

Mar 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Are you now going to assert that "attitudes" that take possession of a person come in both male and female variety ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

For me, the Jesus I know would not waste time asking an "attitude" for the attitude's name.
But He would ask a personality for " His" name .
Which is exactly what the verse describes

Mar 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Are you now going to assert that "attitudes" that take possession of a person come in both male and female variety ?

Maybe his real name is Legion.
Ever consider that?
Ah, but because he said "for we are many" makes you think of something else - like angels?
Well, he had many bad attitudes. He was in a cave. He was naked. He had a partner, and you know misery loves company. Maybe there was something else indicated.
Probably.

Attitudes do not "take possession."
They just are.
In man.

 

[JLB]

Manifest. Created. Semantics.
When you give glory to Lucifer, fallen angels, or any other obedient servants of God then one comes up with such teaching as you hold. God is Sovereign. God used the sinfulness in fallen angels and man (Adam) BEFORE their actual sin to accomplish His Will. When sin was found in Lucifer he was cut down immediately. Angels that 'left their abode' do not necessarily need to act on their sin in order to be dealt with by God. There are no angels, fallen or elect, that do what they want and imagine. Towards Adam it was the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil. There was no poison in the fruit. They didn't metamorphose or change in their nature or makeup. They were created sin-ful which is why they sinned. Fallen angels were created sin-ful which is why they sinned. Except God did not offer salvation to the fallen angels. But God did offer salvation to men in general and His elect people specifically.

I think you're making things up:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 6.

Where do you get sexual immorality in this verse?
It doesn't say.

Denial is all your theory s based on.


And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 1:6


Please address the actual content of my post and the actual words of scripture.

Jude 1:6 refers to the angels that were cast down to hell because they left their own abode, and did not keep their proper domain, and were associated with sexual immorality.

• And the angels who did not keep their proper domain
• but left their own abode

Angels came into this realm and appeared as men, with human features and ate human food and drank human drink.


Hint: Drink means urinate.


They we’re subject to the laws of nature.





JLB

 

[justbyfaith]

The truth doesn't subvert the hearers

That's right...however arguing about words does do that (2 Timothy 2:14).

 

[eddif]

Denial is all your theory s based on.


And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 1:6


Please address the actual content of my post and the actual words of scripture.

Jude 1:6 refers to the angels that were cast down to hell because they left their own abode, and did not keep their proper domain, and were associated with sexual immorality.

• And the angels who did not keep their proper domain
• but left their own abode

Angels came into this realm and appeared as men, with human features and ate human food and drank human drink.


Hint: Drink means urinate.


They we’re subject to the laws of nature.





JLB

Did the flood place fallen angels) in a similar place as the rich man (rich man and Lazarus)?

The rich man was in torment and Lazarus was comforted. All were not in contact with the living (imprisoned)?

I am not making a tremendous theological statement, but it sort of fits.

After the flood it was better. Sin was not completely gone, but the total dominion of sin was lessened.

Eight souls made it through the flood. Somehow it seems 1/3 of the fallen angels were not still around attacking those 8 people.

I am still trying to chill on my posts.

eddif

 

[JLB]

Did the flood place fallen angels) in a similar place as the rich man (rich man and Lazarus)?

No the flood did not affect the angels, as they continued after the flood, in which the children of Israel had to drive the giants from the promised land.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Later David would kill Goliath.


Eventually God would cast them down to hell.




JLB

 

[jeremiah1five]

Denial is all your theory s based on.


And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 1:6


Please address the actual content of my post and the actual words of scripture.

Jude 1:6 refers to the angels that were cast down to hell because they left their own abode, and did not keep their proper domain, and were associated with sexual immorality.

• And the angels who did not keep their proper domain
• but left their own abode

Angels came into this realm and appeared as men, with human features and ate human food and drank human drink.


Hint: Drink means urinate.


They we’re subject to the laws of nature.





JLB

Tell me if you can.

What was their "proper domain?"
What was their "own abode?"
Describe through Scripture.
Please.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That's right...however arguing about words does do that (2 Timothy 2:14).

It's called the WORD of God for a reason.
And again, no one is arguing.
Don't cry "FIRE!" when there's no smoke.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Attitudes do not "take possession."
They just are.
In man.

We are both in agreement with Mark then.
Mark says that whatever his name was, he could not be an "attitude" because as you have attested a mere attitude could not have taken possession of the man.

Mar 5:16
And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We are both in agreement with Mark then.
Mark says that whatever his name was, he could not be an "attitude" because as you have attested a mere attitude could not have taken possession of the man.

Mar 5:16
And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.

16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine. Mk 5:16.

Now we're dealing with a new Greek word translated "devil." We were first dealing with "demon."

Greek Word: δαιμονίζομαι
Transliteration: daimonizomai
Phonetic Pronunciation: dahee-mon-id’-zom-ahee
Root: middle voice from <G1142>
middle from <G1142> (daimon); to be exercised by a dæmon.

Here's the Greek #1142 from Strong:

Greek Word: δαίμων
Transliteration: daimōn
Phonetic Pronunciation: dah’ee-mown

from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature)

Supports my position that "demon/devil" is a spirit of a bad nature or bad attitude.

Let's not confuse the subject.

 

[eddif]

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The giants seem to precede the Fallen sons of God, and their interaction with women. That would seem to indicate genetic Giants. The Fallen sons of God did not cause or eradicate the Giants. IMHO

Recessive genes can skip generations.

Good sons of God (good angels) did continue to interact with humans, even in the New Testament.

Hey. I am a Mississippi redneck. What could I see.

eddif

 

[Consecrated Life]

16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine. Mk 5:16.

Now we're dealing with a new Greek word translated "devil." We were first dealing with "demon."

Greek Word: δαιμονίζομαι
Transliteration: daimonizomai
Phonetic Pronunciation: dahee-mon-id’-zom-ahee
Root: middle voice from <G1142>
middle from <G1142> (daimon); to be exercised by a dæmon.

Here's the Greek #1142 from Strong:

Greek Word: δαίμων
Transliteration: daimōn
Phonetic Pronunciation: dah’ee-mown

from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature)

Supports my position that "demon/devil" is a spirit of a bad nature or bad attitude.

Let's not confuse the subject.

No confusion at all.
Mark makes clear that the man's affliction is the result of him being possessed.
Write that down.

Mar 5:16
"... him that was possessed with the devil"

You on the other hand have made clear that an "attitude" ,which cannot possess a body is responsible for the man's affliction.
Both cannot be true .

Standing by for a more elaborate complex explanation that yes the man was possessed by "him" as Mark says, but with a duel diagnosis of bad attitude.

 

[eddif]

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen. 6:1–2.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen. 6:4.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen. 6:5–6.

7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen. 6:7.

The "sons of God" in verse 2 are the human, godly line of Seth. The godly line of Seth were disobedient and took wives of the ungodly daughters of men, had children, and because of the sin nature in man and the influence of the ungodly women wives upon the children, they were without restraint of the Covenant godly line of Seth and were grown to be dictators and bullies in their society. I know Christians take "sons of God" as angels, but angels are first, a fixed number, have no genitals, and cannot mate with flesh.

Highway54
The point was the breathing fallen sons of God (on earth) saw the women and gave up their celibacy. They perished in the flood. Other good angels continued to interact with humanity as messengers (their true angelic estate as messengers of God). There was no resurrection for them (bad angels) till their eternal move into eternal punishment. Jesus was raised from the dead.

jeremiah1five
If the sons of God were living breathing beings they perished.

In heaven the angelic host lost 30%

On earth the human / angelic mutation sinners lost 100%? Sinner men too?

One family groups of 8 (or your definition of the 8) survived. The only human spiritual group were the 8. Any other people who once might have qualified as Sons of God were dead or fallen into sin by the Genesis 6 scripture.

IMHO
Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Highway54]

There's no blame to assign.
We either accept the will of God or we rebel against it.

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom. 9:20–21.

If it turns out He is evil, I will certainly rebel against Him. I hope I have enough honor to do so. I definitely hope that is not the case sir.

 

[Highway54]

I am not ignoring you. I am giving everyone a break from my multiple posts. The weekend is sometimes quiet. Perhaps I will post later this weekend.

eddif

10/4 you old Mississippi redneck :yes

 

[Highway54]

Highway54
The point was the breathing fallen sons of God (on earth) saw the women and gave up their celibacy. They perished in the flood. Other good angels continued to interact with humanity as messengers (their true angelic estate as messengers of God). There was no resurrection for them (bad angels) till their eternal move into eternal punishment. Jesus was raised from the dead.

jeremiah1five
If the sons of God were living breathing beings they perished.

In heaven the angelic host lost 30%

On earth the human / angelic mutation sinners lost 100%? Sinner men too?

One family groups of 8 (or your definition of the 8) survived. The only human spiritual group were the 8. Any other people who once might have qualified as Sons of God were dead or fallen into sin by the Genesis 6 scripture.

IMHO
Mississippi redneck
eddif

@Highway54
The point was the breathing fallen sons of God (on earth) saw the women and gave up their celibacy. They perished in the flood. Other good angels continued to interact with humanity as messengers (their true angelic estate as messengers of God). There was no resurrection for them (bad angels) till their eternal move into eternal punishment. Jesus was raised from the dead.

Yes sir, we agree on this.