Questioning the reformation?

[donadams]

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Questioning the reformation:

Reformed truth? (theology)

Truth is divine! God is truth!

I am the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 14:6

Truth is eternal, Unchangeable, immutable and Ir-reformable.

No new doctrine or public revelation:

The Church is of divine origin and is eternal!

Truth and the Church cannot be reformed! There is no error in God or his church! Jn 14:6 Jn 16:13

Christ revealed the truth and Christ teaches the truth to all men thru His church! Matt 28:19

Reformation?
Where does the Bible say have a reformation? “Bible only authority” therefore the so-called reforms had “no” authority!

What was reformed?
Truth and the church are of divine origin, they come from God and cannot be reformed!

Not even honest; nothing was reformed, they rejected the one true church Jn 10:16 founded and established by Christ on Peter matt 16:18 and the apostles matt 18:18 eph 2:20 His witnesses acts 1:8 lead into all truth Jn 16:13 and then teaching and sanctifying all men unto salvation. Matt 28:19 and started new ones when only Christ has authority Matt 28:18 to found the church. Matt 16:18


Where did Christ err in establishing the church
To accept the so-called “reformation” is to reject Christ and scripture Matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Is Christ powerless to defend his bride
And the purity of her doctrine

Church not dependent on scripture

The church was established before the New Testament scripture!

The church came first:
Existed first:
exercised authority and taught before there was a New Testament:
The church was taught by Christ in person for three years and wrote the New Testament!

No reformation at all: only protest, accusations, revolt and rebellion!

Thanks

 

[Paul Timothy]

Its veen a long time since I have seen this many verses out of context.

So many misdirected and misdirection statements in one place.

 

[donadams]

Its veen a long time since I have seen this many verses out of context.

So many misdirected and misdirection statements in one place.

I have yet posted the out of context verses on the five solas yet but do explain

 

[Paul Timothy]

The Reformtion did not happen in the first century.

So why bring up the question "did Christ err?"?

You are getting things mixed up because you appears to take too big a bite of the ideological apple.

Take smaller bites and there is less chance of choking on your words.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Questioning the reformation:

Reformed truth? (theology)

Truth is divine! God is truth!

I am the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 14:6

Truth is eternal, Unchangeable, immutable and Ir-reformable.

No new doctrine or public revelation:

The Church is of divine origin and is eternal!

Truth and the Church cannot be reformed! There is no error in God or his church! Jn 14:6 Jn 16:13

Christ revealed the truth and Christ teaches the truth to all men thru His church! Matt 28:19

Reformation?
Where does the Bible say have a reformation? “Bible only authority” therefore the so-called reforms had “no” authority!

What was reformed?
Truth and the church are of divine origin, they come from God and cannot be reformed!

Not even honest; nothing was reformed, they rejected the one true church Jn 10:16 founded and established by Christ on Peter matt 16:18 and the apostles matt 18:18 eph 2:20 His witnesses acts 1:8 lead into all truth Jn 16:13 and then teaching and sanctifying all men unto salvation. Matt 28:19 and started new ones when only Christ has authority Matt 28:18 to found the church. Matt 16:18


Where did Christ err in establishing the church
To accept the so-called “reformation” is to reject Christ and scripture Matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Is Christ powerless to defend his bride
And the purity of her doctrine

Church not dependent on scripture

The church was established before the New Testament scripture!

The church came first:
Existed first:
exercised authority and taught before there was a New Testament:
The church was taught by Christ in person for three years and wrote the New Testament!

No reformation at all: only protest, accusations, revolt and rebellion!

Thanks

The Catholic church has mislead millions and millions of people into the works justification gospel condemned in scripture. It is oblivious to the fact that a person becomes righteous by the imputation of God's righteousness given to a person the moment they believe, apart from their works, not over time by faithfully and obediently performing rituals and good deeds. And it is by that imputation of God's righteousness that a person is declared to be righteous and qualified to enter the kingdom of heaven, and so it occurs the instant they believe and receive the gospel.

Instead, the Catholic church says you perform righteous deeds and rituals by God's power and it is by the righteousness of those works that you have performed that you are declared righteous and in the end qualified to enter the kingdom of heaven. That's why they say you aren't a saved person now, because it has yet to be seen if you're going to make yourself righteous by faithfully obeying the Catholic church to the very end. It is a works justification religion through and through. That is why godly men on threat of death had to rebel against it and separate from it. And we've been making our way back to the truth ever since.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The Reformtion did not happen in the first century.

Technically, the introduction of the New Covenant itself is the Reformation: Hebrews 9:10

The irony of it is, the Catholic church essentially took us back to that which had to be reformed, and so we have the Reformation of the 16th century.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Technically, the introduction of the New Covenant itself is the Reformation: Hebrews 9:10

The irony of it is, the Catholic church essentially took us back to that which had to be reformed, and so we have the Reformation of the 16th century.

You missed the capitalization.

In Hebrews the reformation mentioned is a verb.

 

[donadams]

“Faith alone is not biblical!

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

Never “faith alone”!


Faith & Love:

Faith:
Intellectual accent to the truths revealed by Christ and taught by His church. Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Love:
Thy will be done: Matt 6:10 heb 10:9

Matt 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Must bear Fruit:

Luke 13:9
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jn -5:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

1 cor 13:2 not faith alone
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
1 cor 13:13 THREE things are eternal, faith, hope, and charity.

 

[Paul Timothy]

“Faith alone is not biblical!

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

Never “faith alone”!


Faith & Love:

Faith:
Intellectual accent to the truths revealed by Christ and taught by His church. Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Love:
Thy will be done: Matt 6:10 heb 10:9

Matt 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Must bear Fruit:

Luke 13:9
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jn -5:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

1 cor 13:2 not faith alone
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
1 cor 13:13 THREE things are eternal, faith, hope, and charity.

Are all these passages authorized by the Church for this forum?

 

[donadams]

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Did say what prevents faith alone but baptism!
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Are all these passages authorized by the Church for this forum?

Meaning?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You missed the capitalization.

In Hebrews the reformation mentioned is a verb.

Time of reform. diorthōseōs is a noun. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-10.htm (scroll all the way to the bottom).

The point is, various church leaders of the 16th century had to reform the mess the Catholics made of Christianity.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

“Faith alone is not biblical!

Faith alone is JAMES' argument, not Paul's. And it doesn't mean a person can't become righteous by faith alone. It means the presence of saving faith is signified by the works it produces (James 2:18). It has NOTHING to do with how a person becomes righteous with the righteousness that is from God and not our own and by which a person becomes righteous.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Meaning?

Your incorrect interpretation of these passages are either approved by a faulty clergy or you are going off the reservation.

Which one is it?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Time of reform. diorthōseōs is a noun. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-10.htm (scroll all the way to the bottom).

The point is, various church leaders of the 16th century had to reform the mess the Catholics made of Christianity.

It may be a Greek noun but it isn't an English noun.
Form is a verb... and reform is also a verb.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It may be a Greek noun but it isn't an English noun.
Form is a verb... and reform is also a verb.

Time of reform.
It's a thing.
Get it?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Time of reform.
It's a thing.
Get it?

And we are talking about The Reformation.
Two different things.
Get it?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

“Faith alone is not biblical!

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

Never “faith alone”!


Faith & Love:

Faith:
Intellectual accent to the truths revealed by Christ and taught by His church. Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Love:
Thy will be done: Matt 6:10 heb 10:9

Matt 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Must bear Fruit:

Luke 13:9
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jn -5:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

1 cor 13:2 not faith alone
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
1 cor 13:13 THREE things are eternal, faith, hope, and charity.

Besides having faith, all of these make a person righteous?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And we are talking about The Reformation.
Two different things.
Get it?

You challenged the aspect of a first century reform. I showed you where that argument comes from.

Biblically, Reformation means the transition from the old to the New Covenant. The word was adopted to describe the reformation needed to be set free of centuries of false works justification teaching by the Catholic church, just as the church was liberated from the works justification theology of the Jews in the first century.

 

[Paul Timothy]

You challenged the aspect of a first century reform. I showed you where that argument comes from.

Biblically, Reformation means the transition from the old to the New Covenant. The word was adopted to describe the reformation needed to be set free of centuries of false works justification teaching by the Catholic church, just as the church was liberated from the works justification theology of the Jews.

And all the points you make are verb points.
So the Reformation did not happen in the first century.