What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?

[GodsGrace]

Once in the kingdom always in the kingdom never to leave for any reason:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one. Jn 10:28–30.

And the kingdom of God is not a place, 'it' is a Person.

John 10:28 does not state what you THINK it states.

John 10-28-30
verse 28 God gives to us ETERNAL LIFE, this means we will live forever WHEN we believe in Him...we will never perish when and if we come to believe in Him.

Think of John 3:16 THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish.
Notice that BELIEVES is in the present, ongoing tense....not in the past tense.
The NT never states that if we EVER believed we will be saved,,,but it's always in the present tense.

NO MAN can pluck them out of my hand.
You know my next sentence: YOU can walk away. Why? Because when you became saved you did not lose your free will.
You have the free will to believe in God and you have the free will to STOP BELIEVING in Him.

Verse 29 Ditto for above.
Verse 30 does not apply, IMHO

How do you explain:
Colossians 1:21-23 NASB
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, [engaged] in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard,

 

[jeremiah1five]

John 10:28 does not state what you THINK it states.

John 10-28-30
verse 28 God gives to us ETERNAL LIFE, this means we will live forever WHEN we believe in Him...we will never perish when and if we come to believe in Him.

Think of John 3:16 THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish.
Notice that BELIEVES is in the present, ongoing tense....not in the past tense.
The NT never states that if we EVER believed we will be saved,,,but it's always in the present tense.

NO MAN can pluck them out of my hand.
You know my next sentence: YOU can walk away. Why? Because when you became saved you did not lose your free will.
You have the free will to believe in God and you have the free will to STOP BELIEVING in Him.

Verse 29 Ditto for above.
Verse 30 does not apply, IMHO

How do you explain:
Colossians 1:21-23 NASB
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, [engaged] in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard,

Christ is the Author and Finisher of our faith.
We will always believe in Him because His seed is in us.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not true .... I believe in Sola Scriptura ... and the teacher's I follow do the same. It is a founding principle of my theology.
Sorry, I said I'd give you the last word ... but I had to respond to that statement.

Every teacher thinks he's following the bible.
Do you think my side of the fence believes it's NOT following the bible?

Which gets back to what I've been saying.
Both sides cannot be right because the differences are too great.
It's not a nuance.

So. Why not read through the NT on your very own someday and see what you come up with.
But you have to leave your reformed mind at the door.

 

[eddif]

Not funny.
I guess the serious discussion is over.
You really should investigate in WHY only the reformed believe as they do.

There is hope that the Cretians can be kept on course. Sometimes it is difficult to spot a prophetic Cretian.

Book of Titus and Acts gentile conversion.
A mule speaking may have a prophetic voice.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

Where can I find documentation that agrees with 90%+ of your theology? .... or is your theology uniquely contrived (invented/fabricated) on your own?

Aside: I can point you with documents that 10s of thousands agree with, can you do the same.

I don't know what you're speaking about.
What documentation?

Post something and show me what you mean.

 

[GodsGrace]

I could list many saying we're chosen, election, predestine, foreknown, willed, yahda, yahda

Yes, but as I posted to the other member, all those words have to do with HOW, A PLAN, FOREKNOWLEDGE, A PURPOSE, A MINISTRY.

Check out post no. 190

None of the words you've mentioned concern the salvation of an individual, because God does not pick and choose who is saved.

The person must AGREE to be saved.
The problem is that you don't believe in free will.

oops. must go.

I'll just throw out one the specifically states it is God's will who is born again and not man's will.
John 1:12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].


Assurance - A statement or indication that inspires confidence
With all your theological knowledge you are trying to tell me that you know of no verse that inspires confidence in you that you are saved? That is VERY surprising ... maybe we define the word differently or have a miscommunication.

Two of many verses that give people assurance that they are saved.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
“We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren” (1 John 3:14)


Premise 1: Christ is God
Premise 2: Many are dead who never heard of God
premise 3:

Conclusion: If you are dead and never heard of Christ you're in hell (there is salvation in no other per many verses)



The question has a false premise. Christ did not die of everyone with exception. We know Christ didn't die for everyone because faith cometh by hearing and God and did not enabled billions of people to hear of Christ which is a prerequisite for faith.



False premise. You have to accept Christ and because God chose you God ensures your total depravity is changed so you freely believe
1 God chooses you
2 God regenerates you
3 Regeneration causes you to believe salvificly.



*giggle*

 

[jasonc]

I'm not even sure we need to call on God's middle knowledge.

Let's take your fictional character from 1600AD.
I'll bet that if we visited his village, we could have a pretty good idea about who is serving God and who isn't.
He might mention the great Spirit, or he would be somehow praying, or, at the least, his entire attitude would be different from those that did not believe in anything but the material.

Ok then the jw and Mormon who aren't Atjhiest or any agnostic but a diest to include

Taoist, Buddhism and other diestic faujths .
Look I wasn't raised in church and most Mormons or jw weren't either yet I know of some caring persons amongst them .

If there is a bomb falling .being in the bomb shelter is safety ,not at the door .

 

[jasonc]

Gee FF,
Some would say that YOU are believing a different gospel.
Extremely different.

Why calk Mormons and jws as hereritcs?

They call sin the same .

That's his point . Ya don't really delve into these Great Spirit indians religions.

The wise indians before the Seminoles were known to be cannibals .they fought each other and offered their captives as offerings and ate them

The Aztecs abs Mayans did this to.incans also did it .not as much and all three have the queztylcoatl idea .

 

[jasonc]

History. Denominations arise for historical reasons. Some exist because they were started in different countries and served people that spoke different languages. Some denominations split over the question of Slavery during the Civil War. Most split over cultural practices (artwork or no artwork, instruments or human voices only).

Why did the Catholic Church split 500-1000 years before Luther was born? Protestants did not INVENT schisms.

Anglican churches birthed the Methodist movement .Wesley didn't want to leave the parent church but his students did and they split over slavery from the Episcopal church.the older name is the Methodist Episcopal church

There is the p soup over the wcf.

 

[setst777]

Question: How is God good or just to abandon to Hell those who have never even heard the gospel?

JAG Writes:

Consider the following:

First, we Bible believing Christians start with the true proclamation that
God always does that which is right.

This means that the God who always does what is right, world-wide
and history-wide, is never going to abandon one of His elect to Gehenna,
but will find a way to save them and give them the gift of eternal life as
per John 3:16's "shall not perish but have eternal life."

Second, we Bible believing Christians MUST stay within the confines
of doctrinal orthodoxy and so we hold solid and fast to John 14:6
that correctly teaches: no man can come to the Father except through
believing in the Lord Jesus as his Savior.

Third, none of the above prevents us from considering the following:

Eternal Now. With regard to God's knowledge there is no past. present and future.
God sees everything in the Eternal NOW. God's Omniscience demands this position.
God now knows all that can be known, God does not learn new information and new truths.


So?

So the Eternal NOW knowledge is God's reality. And God's reality IS REALITY.

What YOU (we) can see is very limited and what YOU (we) can see IS NOT REALITY.

God has Middle Knowledge -- what that means is that God sees and knows fully
what every human being would choose to do under all possible sets of different
circumstances.


Let us take for an example a man named Akua Adisa, born in Africa in the year 1600 A.D.

Akua lived and died never knowing a single word of the gospel message.

God's Middle Knowledge knows precisely what Akua Adisa will choose to do in all possible
sets of circumstances --

-- for example if Akua Adisa had been born in, say, South Carolina in the year 1990 A.D.
and had traveled to hear Franklin Graham preach the gospel.

How is this ↓ conclusion NOT compelling?
If the Sovereign God knows that Akua Adisa would have accepted the Lord Jesus as his
Savior if he had been born in the year 1990 A.D. in South Carolina when he heard Franklin
Graham preach the gospel then in God's reality Akua Adisa has accepted the Lord Jesus as
his Savior and has therefore fulfilled the requirements of John 14:6 no man can come to the
Father except through faith in the Lord Jesus.

Are we not compelled to reach this conclusion?

Thoughts?

__________________________

PS
God's Omniscience demands we hold that God has what the philosophers call
Middle Knowledge.


JAG

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People who have never heard any of the gospel message from Genesis to Revelation will be judged according to what they know about God and justice and righteousness revealed to them in nature and natural law, and conscience.

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them 16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel. Romans 2:14-16

We’re only responsible to respond to the level of revelation we have.

Hi Jethro. Yes, I would agree with you. God judges righteously.

We don't know how God will judge those who have never heard the Gospel, but we do know that God takes into account several things:

1) If we are honest with ourselves, we should be able to understand that God exists and what he requires by the things which God made (Romans 1:18-21).

1) How a person lives his life according to conscience, even though not having the law or knowledge of the Gospel (Romans 2:10-15).

2) What a person does with the knowledge and talents he does possess (Matthew 25:19-30).

Luke 12:48 (WEB) To whomever much is given, of him will much be required; and to whom much was entrusted, of him more will be asked.

God surely does save us by grace through faith, but faith in God is always demonstrated in good works; therefore, good works are the evidence of faith by which judges and God saves us (Matthew 7:21; Matthew 25:31-46)

In response to, I think, "JAG"?

"John 14:6" does not state that
"no man can come to the Father except through
believing in the Lord Jesus as his Savior."

John 14:6 states: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me."

Salvation is through Lord Jesus; however, Lord Jesus, who judges all people, will judge righteously.

Yes, all how believe in Lord Jesus are saved. And all those who refuse to believe are not saved. However, there are those in the world who never had the opportunity to believe or refuse to believe in Lord Jesus, because they never heard of him or the Gospel. For instance, all the OT saints were saved by faith in God, without knowledge of Lord Jesus.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hi Jethro. Yes, I would agree with you. God judges righteously.

We don't know how God will judge those who have never heard the Gospel, but we do know that God takes into account several things:

1) If we are honest with ourselves, we should be able to understand that God exists and what he requires by the things which God made (Romans 1:18-21).

1) How a person lives his life according to conscience, even though not having the law or knowledge of the Gospel (Romans 2:10-15).

2) What a person does with the knowledge and talents he does possess (Matthew 25:19-30).

Luke 12:48 (WEB) To whomever much is given, of him will much be required; and to whom much was entrusted, of him more will be asked.

God surely does save us by grace through faith, but faith in God is always demonstrated in good works; therefore, good works are the evidence of faith by which judges and God saves us (Matthew 7:21; Matthew 25:31-46)

In response to, I think, "JAG"?

"John 14:6" does not state that
"no man can come to the Father except through
believing in the Lord Jesus as his Savior."

John 14:6 states: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me."

Salvation is through Lord Jesus; however, Lord Jesus, who judges all people, will judge righteously.

Yes, all how believe in Lord Jesus are saved. And all those who refuse to believe are not saved. However, there are those in the world who never had the opportunity to believe or refuse to believe in Lord Jesus, because they never heard of him or the Gospel. For instance, all the OT saints were saved by faith in God, without knowledge of Lord Jesus.

Those saved in the OT had the prophecies of their Messiah. They were Christian as the looked forward to God fulfilling His promises. Many died without seeing the actual Christ but they died believing in Israel's Messiah and coming King.
By the way, all those Scriptures you posted MUST be understood exactly as God addressed them and God addressed ALL of Scripture to His people in Covenant.
The Word of God is TO and FOR His Covenant people ONLY.
He did not address any of His Word to unbelievers as every book and gospel and epistle is addressed to believers.

 

[GodsGrace]

I could list many saying we're chosen, election, predestine, foreknown, willed, yahda, yahda

I'll just throw out one the specifically states it is God's will who is born again and not man's will.
John 1:12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].

Right.
Just plainly read what is written without any preconceived ideas.

John 1:12
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Verse 12
as many as RECEIVED HIM. If you receive a guest, you allow him into your home.
You don't go outside and drag him in.
THEY are the children of God....those who received God, allowed Him into their home.
Such as Rev 3:20...Jesus knocks, YOU have to let Him in. IF anyone HEARS My voice and OPENS THE DOOR, Jesus will come in.
It requires an ACTION on our part.
We must OPEN THE DOOR.

verse 13
We are not born of blood (natural birth - John 3:5)
nor of the flesh (sex)
nor the will of man (children, for example of Abraham, or of a great man)
BUT OF GOD ( It is God that gives us new life when we receive Him).

Assurance - A statement or indication that inspires confidence
With all your theological knowledge you are trying to tell me that you know of no verse that inspires confidence in you that you are saved? That is VERY surprising ... maybe we define the word differently or have a miscommunication.

Two of many verses that give people assurance that they are saved.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
“We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren” (1 John 3:14)


Premise 1: Christ is God
Premise 2: Many are dead who never heard of God
premise 3:

Conclusion: If you are dead and never heard of Christ you're in hell (there is salvation in no other per many verses)

No where in the NT are we ASSURED of our final salvation.
We can only know we are saved right now.

Your verse 1 John 1:13 states:
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

The believing must be at the present time.

We were saved. Eph 2:8
We are being saved. 1 Cor 1:18
We will be saved. 1 Peter 1:5

The question has a false premise. Christ did not die of everyone with exception. We know Christ didn't die for everyone because faith cometh by hearing and God and did not enabled billions of people to hear of Christ which is a prerequisite for faith.

Of course Jesus died for EVERYONE.
The reformed just choose to believe in the limited atonement theory.
I hope you know that even some reformed theologians can't accept this.

Check out the following:
1 Timothy 4:10
10For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
It even explains that Jesus is the savior for all men ESPECIALLY those that believe...
so it must surely mean that He is also the savior for those who never come to believe, but if they did He would save them too.
Also, all men that are saved, are saved through Jesus.

1 John 2:2
10For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.


Looks like John and Paul agree on this.

False premise. You have to accept Christ and because God chose you God ensures your total depravity is changed so you freely believe
1 God chooses you
2 God regenerates you
3 Regeneration causes you to believe salvificly.

Same old argument of salvation before faith.
Show me some verses.
There are none.

*giggle*

Yeah. Quit liking that toast so much.

 

[GodsGrace]

Ok then the jw and Mormon who aren't Atjhiest or any agnostic but a diest to include

Taoist, Buddhism and other diestic faujths .
Look I wasn't raised in church and most Mormons or jw weren't either yet I know of some caring persons amongst them .

If there is a bomb falling .being in the bomb shelter is safety ,not at the door .

Your last sentence is right on.

The JW know about Jesus but don't believe He's God like we do.
I don't know enough about the Mormons to speak about them.

I'm not here to judge anyone, only God can do that.
But I can't state someone is going to hell either because some part of their doctrine is wrong.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why calk Mormons and jws as hereritcs?

They call sin the same .

That's his point . Ya don't really delve into these Great Spirit indians religions.

The wise indians before the Seminoles were known to be cannibals .they fought each other and offered their captives as offerings and ate them

The Aztecs abs Mayans did this to.incans also did it .not as much and all three have the queztylcoatl idea .

A heretic is just someone that doesn't agree with what everyone else is in agreement.

As to cannibals, I doubt they're searching for God or have found Him.

 

[jeremiah1five]

A heretic is just someone that doesn't agree with what everyone else is in agreement.

Incorrect.
A heretic is one that believes something other than what God has taught in His Scripture of Truth.
The word heresy is defined as "choice."
Here's an example:

Peter is testifying about the people Jesus fed with a two-fish meal deal. Peter says over 20,000 people were fed (if you count women and children), and someone stands up and says, "Hold on! I was there! It wasn't 20,000 people. It was about five hundred."

What this person has done is added "choice" to the mind of Peter's hearers. Peter was authorized to testify about Israel's Messiah and he did. But someone presents an opposing 'view' of the truth of God.
This is the nature of heresy. It is a contradiction to the truth of God and it deals with doctrine.

Schism also brings division but the nature of schism has to do with 'love.'
An example: A Christian says while in service, "I don't know why pastor always asks for donations," or "Sister-so-and-so thinks she looks good in that hat she's wearing."
Lack of love.

As to cannibals, I doubt they're searching for God or have found Him.

People are not saved with the gospel alone. The gospel of Jesus Christ is a message the apostles heralded to the twelve tribes scattered through-out the then-known world. It was a message that Israel's Promised Messiah had come and all the particulars of their Promised King. THIS is the gospel of Acts 1:8. It was a message to and for Israel. In time, as Gentiles begun to become saved and at the destruction of the Temple the message began to filter into Gentile peoples and the Times of the Gentiles was in full swing.

 

[jasonc]

A heretic is just someone that doesn't agree with what everyone else is in agreement.

As to cannibals, I doubt they're searching for God or have found Him.

Man contradictory to what you think ,despite that often sees god as a pantheistic in that God is impersonal and most faiths other then Judaism and Christianity see God as impersonable. You can't approach him or know him.
What is being normalized now is very much what Paul adress in Romans three.

Pedophilia ,pedastery and gay rights and child sacrifices.

Without God wanting to tell us in his word man can't find him or know .otherwise peter would not have been told flesh and blood didn't tell you that Jesus was the son of God .peter could have reasoned it out .

We all know Good but the desire to be evil is much greater .you never have seen war and how children act willingly to kill you and do so .they ain't so innocent even at six.

Six year olds selling drugs and prostitutes in Afghanistan. Sure they were taught or saw it but well if you know that logic of yours to be truth then these would not be a majority over there .

That said you can't call a honest jw or Mormon a heretic if they sincerely believe that as if they die and no one says otherwise .

Your doctrine makes God deceptive when He could simply appear and tell all about himself but he chooses not to .it happens but it's not common .

I don't make doctrine on what only God says.i have seen pagan cultures up close.

As I said you won't look at dogs and kids the same after war . We shot dogs often because they were sick .dogs don't trust muslims and kids often did carry and fire at us.not often but the word infantry is from the Latin world child ,spanish enfante child soldiers .

Sure the adults are leading them but children are not free from their crimes.
If a minor takes my gun and I lead him to kill.i may get a greater sentence but the minor also commits a crime and is punishable.

Knowing good doesn't mean we can be that good .

 

[jeremiah1five]

Man contradictory to what you think ,despite that often sees god as a pantheistic in that God is impersonal and most faiths other then Judaism and Christianity see God as impersonable. You can't approach him or know him.
What is being normalized now is very much what Paul adress in Romans three.

Pedophilia ,pedastery and gay rights and child sacrifices.

Without God wanting to tell us in his word man can't find him or know .otherwise peter would not have been told flesh and blood didn't tell you that Jesus was the son of God .peter could have reasoned it out .

We all know Good but the desire to be evil is much greater .you never have seen war and how children act willingly to kill you and do so .they ain't so innocent even at six.

Six year olds selling drugs and prostitutes in Afghanistan. Sure they were taught or saw it but well if you know that logic of yours to be truth then these would not be a majority over there .

That said you can't call a honest jw or Mormon a heretic if they sincerely believe that as if they die and no one says otherwise .

Your doctrine makes God deceptive when He could simply appear and tell all about himself but he chooses not to .it happens but it's not common .

I don't make doctrine on what only God says.i have seen pagan cultures up close.

As I said you won't look at dogs and kids the same after war . We shot dogs often because they were sick .dogs don't trust muslims and kids often did carry and fire at us.not often but the word infantry is from the Latin world child ,spanish enfante child soldiers .

Sure the adults are leading them but children are not free from their crimes.
If a minor takes my gun and I lead him to kill.i may get a greater sentence but the minor also commits a crime and is punishable.

Knowing good doesn't mean we can be that good .

Glad you made it home, JasonC.
Thank you for your service.
I hope the VA is taking good care of you.
And others for that matter.
jer.

 

[GodsGrace]

Incorrect.
A heretic is one that believes something other than what God has taught in His Scripture of Truth.
The word heresy is defined as "choice."
Here's an example:

Peter is testifying about the people Jesus fed with a two-fish meal deal. Peter says over 20,000 people were fed (if you count women and children), and someone stands up and says, "Hold on! I was there! It wasn't 20,000 people. It was about five hundred."

What this person has done is added "choice" to the mind of Peter's hearers. Peter was authorized to testify about Israel's Messiah and he did. But someone presents an opposing 'view' of the truth of God.
This is the nature of heresy. It is a contradiction to the truth of God and it deals with doctrine.

I don't know J, look heresy up in a dictionary.
I mean, is this Theology 101?

Heresy:

1
a
: adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma (see DOGMA sense 2)
They were accused of heresy.

b
: denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
c
: an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma

2
a
: dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice
To disagree with the party leadership was heresy.

b
: an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards

source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heresy

Schism also brings division but the nature of schism has to do with 'love.'
An example: A Christian says while in service, "I don't know why pastor always asks for donations," or "Sister-so-and-so thinks she looks good in that hat she's wearing."
Lack of love.

Schism:


1
: DIVISION, SEPARATION
also : DISCORD, DISHARMONY
a schism between political parties


2
a
: formal division in or separation from a church or religious body
b
: the offense of promoting schism

source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schism

People are not saved with the gospel alone. The gospel of Jesus Christ is a message the apostles heralded to the twelve tribes scattered through-out the then-known world. It was a message that Israel's Promised Messiah had come and all the particulars of their Promised King. THIS is the gospel of Acts 1:8. It was a message to and for Israel. In time, as Gentiles begun to become saved and at the destruction of the Temple the message began to filter into Gentile peoples and the Times of the Gentiles was in full swing.

Your history is partly correct.
However in Matthew 28:19 Jesus tells the Apostles to go into ALL THE WORLD.
At least, the known world of that time.
I don't remember Jesus mentioning the 12 tribes.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't know J, look heresy up in a dictionary.
I mean, is this Theology 101?

Heresy:

1
a
: adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma (see DOGMA sense 2)
They were accused of heresy.

b
: denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
c
: an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma

2
a
: dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice
To disagree with the party leadership was heresy.

b
: an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards

source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heresy




Schism:


1
: DIVISION, SEPARATION
also : DISCORD, DISHARMONY
a schism between political parties


2
a
: formal division in or separation from a church or religious body
b
: the offense of promoting schism

source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schism




Your history is partly correct.
However in Matthew 28:19 Jesus tells the Apostles to go into ALL THE WORLD.
At least, the known world of that time.
I don't remember Jesus mentioning the 12 tribes.

Before I scrolled down, I knew you were going to refer to a Webster's dictionary.
First, the first American dictionary was published by Noah Webster in the early 1820s. He finally was successful in his dictionary finally becoming popular and useful in his 1828 edition.
I don't remember the year, but his copyright was sold to Merriam.
Anyways, if you want to know biblical terms/words refer to a Strong's Hebrew and Greek concordance. Preferably his Exhaustive Concordance of every word definable in the KJV Bible.

So, here's a passage where the word is used:

17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Cor. 11:17–19.

The word "divisions" is the word "schisma" and it means:
Strong's Greek #4978 from <#4977> (schizo); a split or gap (“schism”), literal or figurative.
It's like taking an axe and striking a log so that a split or gap appears. This is what lack of love for brethren produces. The word is translated also as "rent" (2 times) and "schism" (1 time) besides "divisions" (5 times.)

The word "heresies" is "hairesis." Strong's #139.
from Strong's <#138> (haireomai); properly a choice, i.e. (special) a party or (abstract) disunion.
It is translated as "sect" (5 times) and "heresy" (4 times) in the KJV.

The instruction in Matthew is connected with Acts 1:8. Matthew adds these statements Jesus spoke on the Mount of Olives before He ascended and Luke adds these statements in his gospel, but Jesus spoke all these statements on the Mount before He ascended.

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:6–8.

These "Jews" are concerned about the restoration of the kingdom of Israel back to the people with King Jesus on the throne of David. But Jesus' program was on something else entirely and that is to have these disciples to herald the arrival and departure of Israel's Messiah and King to the twelve tribes scattered across the then-known world.
From the Mount of Olives Jerusalem is west, Judaea is south, Samaria is north, and the uttermost parts is east, or towards Babylon and the Orient. In other words, to the four cardinal points of the compass. That was their mission. To the twelve tribes scattered all over these places. The apostle to the "Jews" the apostle James writes to the twelve tribes:

1 JAMES, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1.

God promised a Redeemer in Genesis 3:15. God added to this promise of a Redeemer in Deuteronomy 18:18 that this Prophet like unto Moses was to come from among the twelve tribes (from their brethren.) Messiah came TO Israel as Promised and He taught Israel God's Word, and before He ascended, He sent His disciples to herald to the twelve tribes scattered abroad that their Messiah had come (and went.) That was their mission. TO the twelve tribes scattered abroad.

It was God's intention to let His people know that their Messiah had come and that their God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had kept His Promise. THAT'S what their mission was. They were not sent to the unbelieving Gentiles. They were sent to Covenant Israel.

You need to get yourself a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Greek and Hebrew.
The Bible was written in Greek and Hebrew and using a modern-day dictionary will not work.
Start there.
Remember, Jesus Christ is a "Jewish" Messiah.

 

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Those saved in the OT had the prophecies of their Messiah. They were Christian as the looked forward to God fulfilling His promises. Many died without seeing the actual Christ but they died believing in Israel's Messiah and coming King.
By the way, all those Scriptures you posted MUST be understood exactly as God addressed them and God addressed ALL of Scripture to His people in Covenant.
The Word of God is TO and FOR His Covenant people ONLY.
He did not address any of His Word to unbelievers as every book and gospel and epistle is addressed to believers.

Before Lord Jesus and the Gospel, the Jews believed in God. The true believers of the OT were God-fearers (Hebrews 11). The OT saints did not have in mind that they had to believe in the Messiah to be saved, and such is not indicated in the OT.