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Interesting questions

Can one be saved and not glorified by God in heaven?

Can you
The hymn says...what can wash away your sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus. It says that, because the bible teaches it.
what is the rule of faith? Or the source of truth?
 
Again we are saved by who Jesus is, He crucification and resurrection. That is what He did not what we do. Baptism is an acknowledge and confession of such belief in Him. Water baptism symbolizes that but it's still grace through faith. By His blood we were purchased for God.

It is not for man to choose how to forgive sin so there is no other way or name one may be saved by. A narrow road by the design and will of God.

The grace of God who so loved the world and the punishment that brought us peace placed on Christ. By His stripes we are healed. (Isaiah 53)
Col 1:20
.. and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

Grace through Faith
Then all men are saved?
 
HO2 literally at the most can get a person wet. It will evaporate having fulfilled the physical law what comes down goes up.

What comes down nourishes the creation and returns to it source. The rainbow reminds us previously it was watered from below rising up .The flood came as judgement on the sons of God. The believers that were not obeying the law not to be unevenly yoked with the faithless pagans. as sons or daughters of mankind. Unredeemed mankind. . . those not born again from above. .

It would seem the flood took away their privileged place as ambassadors of a God not seen .and moved inspiration coming down not rising up. In that way one of His names is Jealous he owns all thing and wil not share his glory with dying mankind

He rises us up.. God would no longer share his glory with the believers who refused to obey and honor not be unevenly yoked. They continued after the flood as today . That honor will be restored in the new heavens and earth

The living, moving water of the word giving us ears to hear his understanding.

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

He uses all forms of living water to declare his unseen glory. Even sweat or spit. Not only in the ceremonial baptisms a shadow of the doctrines of God that fall inspired from above.

Some of the Jews tried to turn that upside down as if they were earthly inspired from the father of lies and added to the word of God making it to no effect. A sign to the unbelieving world, the Christian baptism showing the world you are his disciple and have a desire to be a member of the priesthood of believers made up from all denominations. All the nations of the world
Your opinion or scripture?

I’ll choose scripture

1 pet 3:21 baptism now saves you!
The hymn says...what can wash away your sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus. It says that, because the bible teaches it.
1 pet 3:21 baptism now saves you!
 
Your opinion or scripture?

I’ll choose scripture

1 pet 3:21 baptism now saves you!

1 pet 3:21 baptism now saves you!
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves youq also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear consciencer toward God.e It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
Grace through faith
 
Not what God says

Ez 36:25-27
Well
Its my witness as I know that better than you.

Have you not read as well
Acts 8:16
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves youq also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear consciencer toward God.e It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
Grace through faith
Faith and baptism
But grace is applied to our souls in the sacraments by the church 2 pet 1:11

“Baptismal regeneration” is the initiation into the new covenant!

Christian baptism is an outward sign of the inward action of grace, or merits of Christ’s passion blood and death applied to our souls!

We cannot see the inward action of grace purifying the soul, so God gave us the outward “sign” of water washing the body to indicate the inward action of grace and connected the two.

Metaphorical or implied meaning of baptism!

John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

The blood signifies the infinite merits of Christ!
The water signifies baptism!
 
Well
Its my witness as I know that better than you.

Have you not read as well
Acts 8:16
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Must be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit

And an extraordinary occurrence in the mission land does not replace the ordinary sacrament of Christian baptism

Explain why baptism is included with Christ and thee faith? Eph 4:5
Or Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 acts 22:16 etc.
 
Eph 2:8? That don’t apply to your personal salvation! Sorry
I think that is does. Besides did I write this?
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
Don't you believe this?
God gives grace to the humble

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
 
Faith and baptism
But grace is applied to our souls in the sacraments by the church 2 pet 1:11

“Baptismal regeneration” is the initiation into the new covenant!

Christian baptism is an outward sign of the inward action of grace, or merits of Christ’s passion blood and death applied to our souls!

We cannot see the inward action of grace purifying the soul, so God gave us the outward “sign” of water washing the body to indicate the inward action of grace and connected the two.

Metaphorical or implied meaning of baptism!

John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

The blood signifies the infinite merits of Christ!
The water signifies baptism!
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Read what I state as I know better than you.
I did NOT receive the Spirit when I was baptized as an infant but later when I understood enough to ask the one who I believe in with all my heart for that "gift" of God. I did not let go of the Lord in prayer until He blessed me for shortly after I finally felt the witness of the Spirit in my inner being. Then I rested from all those prayers. I have since that time and afterward on occasion, but not often, had words from above spoken in me, that is to my spirit which was perceived in my mind in English in regards to answer to prayers.

Whosoever calls on the Lord will be saved. You appear to be offended that God in His mercy gives grace in regard to prayers as well as water baptism.
 
Must be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit

And an extraordinary occurrence in the mission land does not replace the ordinary sacrament of Christian baptism

Explain why baptism is included with Christ and thee faith? Eph 4:5
Or Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 acts 22:16 etc.
Are you kidding me? They were baptized in the name of Jesus.

I guess you must be baptized in the Jordan as well.

I believe those who believe in their heart and are baptized in the name of Jesus should be saved. I don't state otherwise.

But they are all taught by God
Those who listen and learn from the Father go to Jesus.
 
I think that is does. Besides did I write this?
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
Don't you believe this?
God gives grace to the humble

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
When did you quote: “get saved”?
 
I think that is does. Besides did I write this?
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
Don't you believe this?
God gives grace to the humble

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
Grace yes!
Faith yes!
Faith alone no!
 
Interesting questions

Can one be saved and not glorified by God in heaven?

Can you

what is the rule of faith? Or the source of truth?
Did you miss where I clearly stated the bible is?
THE LONDON BAPTIST CONFESSION OF 1689

Chapter 1Of the Holy Scriptures1

The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible
a rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light

b of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation.

c Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto dwriting; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God’s revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.(a 2Ti 3:15-17; Isa 8:20; Luk 16:29,31; Eph 2:20; b Rom 1:19-21; 2:14-15; Psa 19:1-3; c Heb 1:1; d Pro 22:19-21; Rom 15:4; 2Pe 1:19-20)2 Under the name of Holy Scripture, or the Word of God written, are now contained all the books of the Old and New Testaments, which are these: Of the Old Testament Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 & 2 Samuel, 1 & 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Of the New Testament Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1, 2, & 3 John, Jude, Revelation. All of which are given by the
e inspiration of God to be the rule of faith and life. ( e2Ti 3:16) 8 THE LONDON CONFESSION

3 The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of fdivine inspiration, are no part of the canon or rule of the Scripture, and, therefore, are of no authority to the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings. (f Luk 24:27,44; Rom 3:2)

4 The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon gGod (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God. ( g 2Pe 1:19-21; 2Ti 3:16; 2Th 2:13; 1Jo 5:9)

5 We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the church of God to an high and reverent esteem of the Holy Scriptures; and the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, and the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole (which is to give all glory to God), the full discovery it makes of the only way of man’s salvation, and many other incomparable excellencies, and entire perfections thereof, are arguments whereby it doth abundantly evidence itself to be the Word of God; yet notwithstanding, our hfull persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts. (h Joh 16:13-14; 1Co 2:10-12; 1Jo 2:20,27)

6 The whole counsel of God concerning all things inecessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down or necessarily contained in the Holy Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelation of the Spirit, or traditions of men.Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward killumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word, and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be lordered by the light of nature and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed.(i2Ti 3:15-17; Gal 1:8-9; kJoh 6:45; 1Co 2:9-12; l1Co 11:13-14; 14:26,40)

7 All things in Scripture are not alike mplain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed and observed for salvation, are so nclearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of ordinary means, may attain to a sufficient understanding of them. (m2Pe 3:16; n Psa 19:7; 119:130)

8 The Old Testament in oHebrew (which was the native language of the people of God of old), and the New Testament in Greek (which at the time of the writing of it was most generally known to the nations), being immediately inspired by God, and by his singular care and providence kept pure in all ages, are therefore pauthentic; so as in all controver-Confession of Faith of 1689 9 sies of religion, the church is finally to appeal to them. qBut because these original tongues are not known to all the people of God, who have a right unto, and interest in the Scriptures, and are commanded in the fear of God to read rand search them, therefore they are to be translated into the vulgar language of every nation unto which they scome, that the Word of God dwelling tplentifully in all, they may worship him in an acceptable manner, and through patience and comfort of the Scriptures may have hope.(oRom 3:2; p Isa 8:20; qAct 15:15; rJoh 5:39; s1Co 14:6,9,11-12,24,28; tCol 3:16)

9 The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the uScripture itself; and therefore when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched by other places that speak more clearly. (u 2Pe 1:20-21; Act 15:15-16)

10The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which xScripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved. (x Mat 22:29,31-32; Eph 2:20; Act 28:23)
 
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I think that is does. Besides did I write this?
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
Don't you believe this?
God gives grace to the humble

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

eph 2:8 does not refer to you’re salvation it’s already past tense when Paul wrote it so it refers something that has already occurred, the redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement. “Not of yourselves”

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ Matt 3:16 believes (present tense) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

Glorification:

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Read what I state as I know better than you.
I did NOT receive the Spirit when I was baptized as an infant but later when I understood enough to ask the one who I believe in with all my heart for that "gift" of God. I did not let go of the Lord in prayer until He blessed me for shortly after I finally felt the witness of the Spirit in my inner being. Then I rested from all those prayers. I have since that time and afterward on occasion, but not often, had words from above spoken in me, that is to my spirit which was perceived in my mind in English in regards to answer to prayers.

Whosoever calls on the Lord will be saved. You appear to be offended that God in His mercy gives grace in regard to prayers as well as water baptism.
Are we talking about a covenant?

Are there any real requirements?

Infants at baptism receive the father the son and the hs
And the virtues of faith hope and charity
And sanctifying Grace washing away all sin
Born again
New creation
Then they are raised in the admonition of the lord and taught the Christian faith and at the age of reason profess their faith and are confirmed in the faith by bishop

Thanks
 
Are you kidding me? They were baptized in the name of Jesus.

I guess you must be baptized in the Jordan as well.

I believe those who believe in their heart and are baptized in the name of Jesus should be saved. I don't state otherwise.

But they are all taught by God
Those who listen and learn from the Father go to Jesus.
And Jesus says baptize them in the name of the father, and the son, and the Holy Spirit
Matt 28:19
 

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