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They are elected, chosen, predestined by the Lord.
As to how and why? Only He knows.
He does not need to explain to us anything.
Iconoclast
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Yes Agreed.....this is the central question.
In the words of Jonah 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.
In the words of Jesus Jn6:
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
The "theory" of election to salvation is a man made doctrine that is not in scripture.
John 3:16 completely destroys any such theory.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God loves the world; unsaved people.
- For God so loved the world... John 3:16
- that He gave His only begotten... Son John 3:16
- And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2
Whoever believes in Him will not perish but receive everlasting life.
- that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Nothing in this verse or nothing in any verse, teaches or implies God chooses a special group of people to be saved.
JLB
Where in this verse does it say those who are saved are elected, predestined, and chosen?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
How do you know if you are elected ?
Iconoclast
Member
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
When we read we can find it.
brightfame52
2024 Supporter
Thats an benefit of being chosen by God to Salvation, believing is part of their Sanctification 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Having been chosen by God to Salvation brings with it #1Sanctification of the Spirit and #2 belief of the Truth which is Faith. Why are some chosen and others not ? Matt 11:25-26
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Regeneration
Was Paul "saved" before he confessed Jesus as Lord?
1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”
Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank. Acts 9:1-9
Systematic Theoryology is of man, not Christ.
What did the disciples of Christ follow?
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9
The New Testament scriptures that Christ Jesus gave through the Apostles is what each of us should be studying rather than following the teachings of man.
JLB
You know what BF?
Sometimes I get tired of debating.
You can have Acts 13:48.
Some things God did predestinate.
But not who will be saved and who will not.
Of course God has to DESIRE everything that happens or it will not happen.
So, in some way, He created the situation by which the person that desires it, can be saved.
It cannot be more clear than in John 3:16 - stated by Jesus Himself.
But the reformed choose to believe what man has taught and not what JESUS HIMSELF has taught.
God desires that no man be lost but that all men come to the saving knowledge of God.
1 Timothy 2:4
2 Peter 3:9
Jesus would have liked Jerusalem to believe in Him,,,,
BUT THEY WERE NOT WILLING.
Maybe Fastfredy0 could grace us with his dictionarial knowledge and explain what WILLING means.
God is not partial -
Romans 2:11
Acts 20:34
Leviticus 19:5 (if MAN must be impartial,,,,must not God???)
And check this out:
God desires to inform us as to HOW we can be saved...
Ezekiel 18:19-20
19“Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live.
20“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
21“But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
22“All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. 23“Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
1. Does the above sound as if God takes pleasure in the death of the wicked?
2. Thus, why should God desire that ANY man die?
3. Does the above seem to you to be instructions on how to be saved?
If not why was it written?
Why would I care if I'm responsible for other's sins or not if ANYWAY, it will be God to decide my fate???
Iconoclast
Member
We post the same things over and over hoping that MAYBE they will be understood as they have been written by the Apostles and other writers of the NT, such as Hebrews, or as stated by JESUS HIMSELF.
God is not a God of confusion. He is very clear in teaching us how to save ouselves.
Jesus came on earth to set up the Kingdom of God.
PLEASE explain,,,IF God will pick and choose who will be saved...
WHY was it necessary for Jesus to teach us about the Kingdom of God and how to be a part of it??
The reformed faith is man-made because it was INVENTED in the 1,500s AD.
True Christianity has been around since soon after Jesus died....that would be 2,000 years.
WHY would a new teaching from 500 years ago be the correct teaching?
Were all the previous theologians dumb?
If you study the Apostolic Fathers you'll learn that NONE OF THEM believed in predestination.....
EXCEPT ONE who was born about 400 years after Jesus and who had come to Christianity from gnosticism.
Studying the Fathers is a great practice and brings us to the truth of the NT since they were taught by the Apostles themselves.
You have a doubt about something?
Study the Apostolic Fathers.
The Apostolic Fathers.
When Christianity was still in its pure form.
brightfame52
2024 Supporter
You going way off on a tangent, its simple those believing in Jn 3:16 are the Sheep Jn 10 and they were ordained to eternal life.
Fastfredy0
2024 Supporter
Willing: Done, given, or accepted voluntarily or ungrudgingly.
When it comes to accepting Christ salvificly it is always done by "willing" people. The deeper question is: who creates and has the power to change a person's will?
John 3:16 ... whosoever believes ... who creates and has the power to change a person's will such that they believe salvificly?
Predestination or "good luck"?
No. BF....I'm not going way off on a tangent.
The problem is that some of us take a road and end up where it leads us....
and some of us want to know where the road is going before we get on it.
How about you read my post again and actually give it a decent reply?
Aha.
But by your own definition it would no longer be VOLUNTARILY.
You see FF, IF it's God making you be saved because you were one of the lucky ones that were chosen....
then
It has nothing to do with the person VOLUNTARILY/WILLINGLY accepting the salvation gift brought about by God's grace through faith.
We are, as often said, just puppets in God's hands.
I don't think God wants to interact with puppets, but with a creation of His that can WILLINGLY go to God for their salvation.
This is why Jesus taught that we have to belong to the Kingdom....
Because it's OUR CHOICE to be a part of that Kingdom....
Or His teachings and death are irrelevant....