Is “Easter” in the original Scriptures?

[reddogs]

Do you believe scripture is the only authority?

How do we know for sure Jn 8:32 what is scripture?

Scripture has Gods truth, the other authority is of man, so who should you follow..

 

[donadams]

Scripture has Gods truth, the other authority is of man, so who should you follow..

Does christ and scripture support the church and the teaching of authentic ministers?

 

[BB1956]

Vinny37 said,
"You say as an aside: [We see this in the idea that the wicked will continue to live eternally in hell, or that man is immortal, etc]. Both concepts are arguable biblical." [/QUOTE\]

I disagree with arguing and debating what is biblical. I don't think God wants me to argue and debate with anyone. I can read and when I read and study the scriptures if people don't agree with me about what is the truth about Who God is or about God's Kingdom that's their choice I'm not going to argue or debate the issue with them, they have a right to their choice as to what to believe what the biblical truth is. So I don't argue or debate with people about whether or not the wicked are living in Hell or that they will live in Hell for eternity neither will I argue or debated with someone who says that a man\human being has immortality or is immortal.
I will insist however that someone who is trying to convince me that the wicked are living in Hell and will live in Hell for eternity or that a man or human being is immortal to show me scriptural evidence that proves that. If I don't agree with them I will tell them so and if they don't agree with my disagreement that's their choice and their right to disagree with me.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Easter is Passover. Hence why it's called 'Pascha'.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Easter is Passover. Hence why it's called 'Pascha'.

No, Easter is the feast of first fruit, the first sheaf from the harvest was presented before the Lord, that's the resurrected Yeshua; all the rest of the harvest will be subsequently gathered, which is the "reaping of the earth" in Rev. 14 and the parable of wheats and tares in Matt. 13:24-30. It is a common belief that the three spring festivals - Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruit were fulfilled by Yeshua's crucifixion, burial and resurrection, fifty days after that is the feast of weeks, which was fulfilled in the Pentecost; the last three autumn festivals will be fulfilled by Yeshua's return. The name "Easter" originated from pagan goddess Ishtar, which was ridiculed by prophet Jeremiah as the "queen of heaven". Bunnies and eggs are symbols of fertility.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. (Lev. 23:9-11)

 

[donadams]

Scripture has Gods truth, the other authority is of man, so who should you follow..

Scripture supports both!

matt 16:18-19
matt 28:19-20
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
acts 16:17
etc.
thks

 

[donadams]

Vinny37 said,
"You say as an aside: [We see this in the idea that the wicked will continue to live eternally in hell, or that man is immortal, etc]. Both concepts are arguable biblical." [/QUOTE\]

I disagree with arguing and debating what is biblical. I don't think God wants me to argue and debate with anyone. I can read and when I read and study the scriptures if people don't agree with me about what is the truth about Who God is or about God's Kingdom that's their choice I'm not going to argue or debate the issue with them, they have a right to their choice as to what to believe what the biblical truth is. So I don't argue or debate with people about whether or not the wicked are living in Hell or that they will live in Hell for eternity neither will I argue or debated with someone who says that a man\human being has immortality or is immortal.
I will insist however that someone who is trying to convince me that the wicked are living in Hell and will live in Hell for eternity or that a man or human being is immortal to show me scriptural evidence that proves that. If I don't agree with them I will tell them so and if they don't agree with my disagreement that's their choice and their right to disagree with me.

where does scripture authorize you to study scripture and make your own doctrine or faith?

emp 4:5 jude 1:3 one faith of all christians

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!

all christians of one mind and heart
Acts 2:46
Romans 12:16
Romans 15:6
2 cor 13:11
Eph 4:1
Phil 1:27
Phil 2:2
1 Peter 3:8
thks

 

[donadams]

No, Easter is the feast of first fruit, the first sheaf from the harvest was presented before the Lord, that's the resurrected Yeshua; all the rest of the harvest will be subsequently gathered, which is the "reaping of the earth" in Rev. 14 and the parable of wheats and tares in Matt. 13:24-30. It is a common belief that the three spring festivals - Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruit were fulfilled by Yeshua's crucifixion, burial and resurrection, fifty days after that is the feast of weeks, which was fulfilled in the Pentecost; the last three autumn festivals will be fulfilled by Yeshua's return. The name "Easter" originated from pagan goddess Ishtar, which was ridiculed by prophet Jeremiah as the "queen of heaven". Bunnies and eggs are symbols of fertility.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. (Lev. 23:9-11)

the apostolic church has no teaching of bunnies and eggs thats of the world

easter the risen Lord from east to west!

thks

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Many preconceived ideas and wrong teachings can be brought in and have been, even by well meaning men and become tradition, but not be true. We see this in the idea that the wicked will continue to live eternally in hell, or that man is immortal, etc.. So we have to look at what was brought in from outside of the scriptures, and being picked up although not its true meaning. In the case of this preconception, it actually led to the word being changed from its original meaning, to "Easter". The Greek word that the King James Version translates as “Easter” is actually the word “Pascha” (Hebrew: פסח—Pesach) which means “Passover”. It was during an annual Passover celebration that Jesus was crucified at Jerusalem. Here is the text in question:

Acts 12:4 King James Version

"4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people."

We find it was translated incorrectly because the bible scholars preconceived ideas led them to this. If we look at the text from previous versions we find it was correctly translated...

Acts 12:4 1599 Geneva Bible

"4 [a]And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people."

Acts 12:4 Wycliffe Bible

"4 And when he had caught Peter, he sent him into prison; and betook him to four quaternions of knights, to keep him, and would after pask bring him forth to the people [willing after pask to bring him forth to the people]."

And others..

Acts 12:4 Complete Jewish Bible

"4 so when Herod seized him, he threw him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each, with the intention of bringing him to public trial after Pesach."

Acts 12:4 Young's Literal Translation

"4 whom also having seized, he did put in prison, having delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after the passover to bring him forth to the people."

So how could this happen, why would such learned men change something from one meaning to another, simple, because of their preconceived ideas. You see, it has taken time, but Greek philosphy and Ghonosticism had been picked up and in Rome the old beliefs and festivals were still followed by the Romans and many Christian and leaders didnt see a problem with it. One of the first disputes arose as the bishop of Rome allowed the celebration of the Pasch or Passover to continue till the following Sunday so Christians could also celebrate Spring Equinox festival as they had done before. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. But other Christian leaders saw the danger of worship according to the old pagan festivals and tried to stop it in what came to be known as Paschal/Easter controversies. The first recorded such controversy came to be known as the Quartodeciman controversy.

Eusebius of Caesarea (Church History, V, xxiii) wrote:
"A question of no small importance arose at that time [i.e. the time of Pope Victor I, about A.D. 190]. The dioceses of all Asia, according to an ancient tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon [of Nisan], on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should always be observed as the feast of the life-giving pasch (epi tes tou soteriou Pascha heortes), contending that the fast ought to end on that day, whatever day of the week it might happen to be. However it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this point, as they observed the practice, which from Apostolic tradition has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the Resurrection of our Saviour." So the bishop of Rome began the practice of fixing the celebration of Passover for Christians on Sunday and it spread through the old areas of the Empire.Polycarp the disciple of John the Apostle who was now the bishop of Smyrna, came and confronted Anicetus, the Bishop of Rome who had allow the changes in the Passover and other changes to bring in converts. According to Irenaeus, around the 150s or 160, Polycarp visited Rome to discuss the differences that existed between the other centers of Christianity in Asia and Rome "with regard to certain things" and especially about the time of the Pasch or Passover which in Rome were now the Easter festivals. Irenaeus says that Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, observed the fourteenth day of the moon, whatever day of the week that might be, following therein the tradition which he derived from John the Apostle. Irenaeus said that on certain things the two bishops speedily came to an understanding, while as to the time of the Pasch and the change to Easter, each adhered to his own custom. Polycarp following the eastern practice of celebrating Passover on the 14th of Nisan, the day of the Jewish Passover, regardless of what day of the week it fell while the bishop of Rome let it be observed on Sunday.

So the Bishop of Rome ignored the warning and continued to allow the Passover to be observed on Sunday at the pagan Spring Equinox festival and we can see how the Pasch was change to the festival of Easter. But not only was it just the festival as more pagan converts came in, they were allowed to worship on the pagan Spring Equinox festival day which they were used to, while Christians continued to worship on Sabbath. A careful study of the historical records reveals that gradually, with the passing of the years, the Roman bishop tended to use his new day, Sunday, as a ploy for political supremacy over the other churches. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. The festival on Easter controversy continued, with the Eastern churches giving it stiff opposition until the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., at which time Sunday was declared the official day for Easter observance. Emperor Constantine immediately followed this, the same year, with civil enactments enforcing it among the churches, and it began to take hold as we see to this day.

So now you can see how this led to the Bible Scholars changing Gods truth, to their preconception of what it was, yet it was from another tradition, not of God.

The early church had every right to change Easter and every other worship day to Sunday or any other day rather than Saturday. Why?

The reason is that Jesus instituted a NEW covenant, which had discontinuity from the old covenant as well as some continuity.

The discontinuity involved the changes from the outward forms of the laws including Passover. That's why Jesus, during his last supper with his disciples, gave them the bread and juice:

Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Luke emphasizes the discontinuity of the covenant by including the word "new," whereas Matthew leaves out the word "new" to emphasize the continuity.

Basically, the discontinuity is the abolishment of the external forms of the laws like the death penalties, which were parts of Israel's national law.

Now, God's inner principles of those laws continue on, for example in Passover, the eating of bread and drinking of juice, both of which are symbols of Jesus' suffering and death in our place and for our benefit and which we call the Lord's Supper of Mass.

 

[donadams]

reddogs

man is a hybrid body united to a soul!

the body is mortal!
the soul is immortal!

mk 9:43-48

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

thks

 

[donadams]

The early church had every right to change Easter and every other worship day to Sunday or any other day rather than Saturday. Why?

The reason is that Jesus instituted a NEW covenant, which had discontinuity from the old covenant as well as some continuity.

The discontinuity involved the changes from the outward forms of the laws including Passover. That's why Jesus, during his last supper with his disciples, gave them the bread and juice:

Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Luke emphasizes the discontinuity of the covenant by including the word "new," whereas Matthew leaves out the word "new" to emphasize the continuity.

Basically, the discontinuity is the abolishment of the external forms of the laws like the death penalties, which were parts of Israel's national law.

Now, God's inner principles of those laws continue on, for example in Passover, the eating of bread and drinking of juice, both of which are symbols of Jesus' suffering and death in our place and for our benefit and which we call the Lord's Supper of Mass.

a new creation!

behold I make "all things new"!

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

the apostolic church has no teaching of bunnies and eggs thats of the world

easter the risen Lord from east to west!

thks

Easter, Pentecost, Thanksgiving and Christmas are gentile versions of Feast of first fruit, weeks, tabernacle and dedication (Hanukkah), those are feasts of the Lord ordained by the Lord himself in Lev. 23. Yeah, I know Hanukkah is not in there, nonetheless it was an official holiday acknowledged by God, that's another topic for another day.

Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. (Jn. 10:22)

 

[donadams]

Easter, Pentecost, Thanksgiving and Christmas are gentile versions of Feast of first fruit, weeks, tabernacle and dedication (Hanukkah), those are feasts of the Lord ordained by the Lord himself in Lev. 23. Yeah, I know Hanukkah is not in there, nonetheless it was an official holiday acknowledged by God, that's another topic for another day.

Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. (Jn. 10:22)

christians are forbidden to practice the feasts and fasts of the old law!

they only pointed to Christ who fulfilled them, to keep on practicing them would be the same as declaring He never came!

the kingdom was taken from the successors of moses matt 23:1 matt 21:43 and given to peter and the apostles and their successors matt 16:18-19
thks

 

[LanaPodesta]

The name "Easter" originated from pagan goddess Ishtar

Nope.

 

[Free]

Nope.

Exactly.

For anyone who is interested, I posted a video on this popular but erroneous belief in another thread:

https://christianforums.net/threads/easter-celebrations-are-worship-of-the-sun.113497/post-1945348

 

[reddogs]

Does christ and scripture support the church and the teaching of authentic ministers?

Gods true church, or the the apostate one of Rome. I think you know the answer..

 

[donadams]

Gods true church, or the the apostate one of Rome. I think you know the answer..

isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Many preconceived ideas and wrong teachings can be brought in and have been, even by well meaning men and become tradition, but not be true. We see this in the idea that the wicked will continue to live eternally in hell, or that man is immortal, etc.. So we have to look at what was brought in from outside of the scriptures, and being picked up although not its true meaning. In the case of this preconception, it actually led to the word being changed from its original meaning, to "Easter". The Greek word that the King James Version translates as “Easter” is actually the word “Pascha” (Hebrew: פסח—Pesach) which means “Passover”. It was during an annual Passover celebration that Jesus was crucified at Jerusalem. Here is the text in question:

Acts 12:4 King James Version

"4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people."

We find it was translated incorrectly because the bible scholars preconceived ideas led them to this. If we look at the text from previous versions we find it was correctly translated...

Acts 12:4 1599 Geneva Bible

"4 [a]And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people."

Acts 12:4 Wycliffe Bible

"4 And when he had caught Peter, he sent him into prison; and betook him to four quaternions of knights, to keep him, and would after pask bring him forth to the people [willing after pask to bring him forth to the people]."

And others..

Acts 12:4 Complete Jewish Bible

"4 so when Herod seized him, he threw him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each, with the intention of bringing him to public trial after Pesach."

Acts 12:4 Young's Literal Translation

"4 whom also having seized, he did put in prison, having delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after the passover to bring him forth to the people."

So how could this happen, why would such learned men change something from one meaning to another, simple, because of their preconceived ideas. You see, it has taken time, but Greek philosphy and Ghonosticism had been picked up and in Rome the old beliefs and festivals were still followed by the Romans and many Christian and leaders didnt see a problem with it. One of the first disputes arose as the bishop of Rome allowed the celebration of the Pasch or Passover to continue till the following Sunday so Christians could also celebrate Spring Equinox festival as they had done before. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. But other Christian leaders saw the danger of worship according to the old pagan festivals and tried to stop it in what came to be known as Paschal/Easter controversies. The first recorded such controversy came to be known as the Quartodeciman controversy.

Eusebius of Caesarea (Church History, V, xxiii) wrote:
"A question of no small importance arose at that time [i.e. the time of Pope Victor I, about A.D. 190]. The dioceses of all Asia, according to an ancient tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon [of Nisan], on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should always be observed as the feast of the life-giving pasch (epi tes tou soteriou Pascha heortes), contending that the fast ought to end on that day, whatever day of the week it might happen to be. However it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this point, as they observed the practice, which from Apostolic tradition has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the Resurrection of our Saviour." So the bishop of Rome began the practice of fixing the celebration of Passover for Christians on Sunday and it spread through the old areas of the Empire.Polycarp the disciple of John the Apostle who was now the bishop of Smyrna, came and confronted Anicetus, the Bishop of Rome who had allow the changes in the Passover and other changes to bring in converts. According to Irenaeus, around the 150s or 160, Polycarp visited Rome to discuss the differences that existed between the other centers of Christianity in Asia and Rome "with regard to certain things" and especially about the time of the Pasch or Passover which in Rome were now the Easter festivals. Irenaeus says that Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, observed the fourteenth day of the moon, whatever day of the week that might be, following therein the tradition which he derived from John the Apostle. Irenaeus said that on certain things the two bishops speedily came to an understanding, while as to the time of the Pasch and the change to Easter, each adhered to his own custom. Polycarp following the eastern practice of celebrating Passover on the 14th of Nisan, the day of the Jewish Passover, regardless of what day of the week it fell while the bishop of Rome let it be observed on Sunday.

So the Bishop of Rome ignored the warning and continued to allow the Passover to be observed on Sunday at the pagan Spring Equinox festival and we can see how the Pasch was change to the festival of Easter. But not only was it just the festival as more pagan converts came in, they were allowed to worship on the pagan Spring Equinox festival day which they were used to, while Christians continued to worship on Sabbath. A careful study of the historical records reveals that gradually, with the passing of the years, the Roman bishop tended to use his new day, Sunday, as a ploy for political supremacy over the other churches. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. The festival on Easter controversy continued, with the Eastern churches giving it stiff opposition until the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., at which time Sunday was declared the official day for Easter observance. Emperor Constantine immediately followed this, the same year, with civil enactments enforcing it among the churches, and it began to take hold as we see to this day.

So now you can see how this led to the Bible Scholars changing Gods truth, to their preconception of what it was, yet it was from another tradition, not of God.

What you say is true. Modern translations have corrected it. So why do you think it's important??

 

[Johann!@#]

Easter is Passover. Hence why it's called 'Pascha'.

The word "Pascha" (Πάσχα) is the Greek term for Passover and is used in the New Testament to refer to the Jewish feast (e.g., Matthew 26:2).

In the early Christian tradition, "Pascha" came to signify the celebration of Christ’s resurrection, which coincided with Passover.

In many languages (such as Greek, Latin, and various Eastern European languages), the word for Easter is still "Pascha" or a variant of it.

In English, the word "Easter" is derived from the Old English word "Ēastre", related to a spring festival, but the Christian observance is rooted in Passover through the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

So while Easter is historically linked to Passover and shares the term "Pascha" in many languages, they are distinct observances: Passover being a Jewish feast commemorating the Exodus and Easter/Pascha celebrating the resurrection of Christ.

J.

 

[Johann!@#]

No, Easter is the feast of first fruit, the first sheaf from the harvest was presented before the Lord, that's the resurrected Yeshua; all the rest of the harvest will be subsequently gathered, which is the "reaping of the earth" in Rev. 14 and the parable of wheats and tares in Matt. 13:24-30. It is a common belief that the three spring festivals - Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruit were fulfilled by Yeshua's crucifixion, burial and resurrection, fifty days after that is the feast of weeks, which was fulfilled in the Pentecost; the last three autumn festivals will be fulfilled by Yeshua's return. The name "Easter" originated from pagan goddess Ishtar, which was ridiculed by prophet Jeremiah as the "queen of heaven". Bunnies and eggs are symbols of fertility.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. (Lev. 23:9-11)

While Ēostre may have influenced the English name Easter due to its spring festival timing, the connection to Ishtar is tenuous and not historically verified.

J.