Is baptism required for salvation?

[Eternally-grateful]

commands are required for salvation?

no. Thats the point. Baptism is a command.

including deut 6:5?

what happened to faith alone?

Grace alone. get it right my friend

I am saved by grace..

 

[Eternally-grateful]

no just pointing out that they believed Paul as an apostle and that it was very difficult to search the scriptures and it probably took months, and they needed as we do the permission of the existing authority to do so!

actually no. they did not believe paul. The author of acts said they did not just take his word. they searched the scriptures.. They had the OT scrolls.. It was not as hard as you think..

I am sorry you do not trust the word of God so much.

it was not till the 20th and mass production methods that bibles became inexpensive and available in every home and most people were illiterate until the 20th century as well

and

Paul said Timothy had enough knowledge from scriptures to recieve salvation as a child.

did paul lie too?

2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I mean. is that why the church does not want you to study the word. for fear you may find out they are wrong?

 

[donadams]

Are we lawless? No need for the Imperatives of Christ and the Spirit?

Johann.

oh I agree but they will screem "WORKS"!

thks

 

[donadams]

no. Thats the point. Baptism is a command.

Grace alone. get it right my friend

I am saved by grace..

when you were baptized?

 

[Johann!@#]

oh I agree but they will screem "WORKS"!

thks

I’m not concerned with what "they" might insist on--I care about what Scripture says. The Bible clearly states, "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works..." (Ephesians 2:10), and Jesus’ life was consistently marked by good works.

oh I agree but they will screem "WORKS"!

 

[donadams]

actually no. they did not believe paul. The author of acts said they did not just take his word. they searched the scriptures.. They had the OT scrolls.. It was not as hard as you think..

I am sorry you do not trust the word of God so much.

and

Paul said Timothy had enough knowledge from scriptures to recieve salvation as a child.

did paul lie too?

2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I mean. is that why the church does not want you to study the word. for fear you may find out they are wrong?

Acts 17:11 states:
"Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so."
"they received the word with all eagerness"

does this mean they believed it? or not?

thks

 

[donadams]

Incorrect.

Text and Context:
Acts 17:11 states:
"Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so."

Scriptures (τας γραφάς - tas graphas): The Greek term here refers specifically to the sacred writings already recognized as authoritative by the Jewish community.

What Were the Scriptures at That Time?
The Law (Torah): Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

The Prophets (Nevi’im): Historical books (like Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings) and prophetic books (like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the Twelve Minor Prophets).

The Writings (Ketuvim): Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles.

Evidence of Their Use--
Paul’s custom was to reason from the Scriptures (Acts 17:2-3), primarily the Septuagint (LXX), the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, commonly used in the Diaspora.

Specific passages Paul likely referenced include Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Genesis 22 (the sacrifice of Isaac), and Deuteronomy 18:15 (the Prophet like Moses).

Paul also drew from passages that foretold the Messiah’s suffering and resurrection (e.g., Psalm 16:10, Isaiah 53:10-12).

Why the Bereans Searched the Scriptures--

The Bereans wanted to see if Paul’s claim that Jesus is the Christ aligned with the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. Since the New Testament was not yet compiled, they relied entirely on the existing Hebrew Scriptures to confirm the teachings.

Thus, the Bereans exemplified a noble approach by cross-referencing Paul’s message with the already established canon of the Hebrew Bible.

Shalom.

J.

are you using an approved version with permission from the local bishop?

 

[donadams]

actually no. they did not believe paul. The author of acts said they did not just take his word. they searched the scriptures.. They had the OT scrolls.. It was not as hard as you think..

I am sorry you do not trust the word of God so much.

and

Paul said Timothy had enough knowledge from scriptures to recieve salvation as a child.

did paul lie too?

2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I mean. is that why the church does not want you to study the word. for fear you may find out they are wrong?

cos he went to the synagogue

there was no kjv laying on the coffee table

 

[Johann!@#]

are you using an approved version with permission from the local bishop?

I don’t need approval from the "local episkopos," my friend.

J.

 

[donadams]

I don’t need approval from the "local episkopos," my friend.

J.

really? then by what authority do you study the scripture?

 

[Johann!@#]

really? then by what authority do you study the scripture?

I beg your pardon?

We study the Scriptures by the authority of God Himself, as revealed through His Word and affirmed by the guidance of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 16:13). Believers are called to diligently search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) and to rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), without requiring human endorsement or ecclesiastical permission.

J.

 

[donadams]

I beg your pardon?

We study the Scriptures by the authority of God Himself, as revealed through His Word and affirmed by the guidance of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 16:13). Believers are called to diligently search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) and to rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), without requiring human endorsement or ecclesiastical permission.

J.

no authority in scripture for you to study scripture!

they searched at the synagogue with permission from the local authority!

you and I are not a bishops and have no authority!

HS leads the apostolic church into all truth! they must teach us!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

 

[donadams]

I beg your pardon?

We study the Scriptures by the authority of God Himself, as revealed through His Word and affirmed by the guidance of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 16:13). Believers are called to diligently search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) and to rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), without requiring human endorsement or ecclesiastical permission.

J.

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

 

[donadams]

I beg your pardon?

We study the Scriptures by the authority of God Himself, as revealed through His Word and affirmed by the guidance of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 16:13). Believers are called to diligently search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) and to rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), without requiring human endorsement or ecclesiastical permission.

J.

your into religious anarchy!

 

[Eternally-grateful]

when you were baptized?

which baptism?

Holy Spirit baptism the moment I called out to God and asked him to save me

Water baptism a year later. I was baptized in front of my whole church.. And everyone came up and pumped me up. Yes I can boast of my water baptism.

 

[Johann!@#]

your into religious anarchy!

Please don’t reply to my posts, donadams--this is not οἰκοδομή (oikodomē), meaning "edifying" or "building up" (from the verb οἰκοδομέω - oikodomeō).

I don’t need a ἱερεύς (hiereus), meaning "priest," to interpret the Scriptures for me.

I didn’t join this forum to be labeled a religious anarchist. If you feel the need to "troll" do it somewhere else.

Thanks.

J.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

"they recieved the word with all eagerness"

does this mean they believed it? or not?

thks

You tell me. Did they reject the word, or receive it?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

cos he went to the synagogue

there was no kjv laying on the coffee table

I would hope not.

But they still had the word. for all we know they studied the scrolls with a priest. Many priests came to christ.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

really? then by what authority do you study the scripture?

God's

 

[donadams]

Please don’t reply to my posts, donadams--this is not οἰκοδομή (oikodomē), meaning "edifying" or "building up" (from the verb οἰκοδομέω - oikodomeō).

I don’t need a ἱερεύς (hiereus), meaning "priest," to interpret the Scriptures for me.

I didn’t join this forum to be labeled a religious anarchist. If you feel the need to "troll" do it somewhere else.

Thanks.

J.

can you be saved without a priest?