Is baptism required for salvation?

[Eternally-grateful]

no authority in scripture for you to study scripture!

they searched at the synagogue with permission from the local authority!

you and I are not a bishops and have no authority!

HS leads the apostolic church into all truth! they must teach us!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

My friend, if someone is telling you not to study scripture. be warned they have motives. and they are probably not good

 

[Eternally-grateful]

can you be saved without a priest?

this is probably one of the funniest question I have ever seen asked.

Is Jesus not our high priest?

The veil was ripped in two for a reason. we can all boldly go to Jesus now.. we do not need a human priest to go offer sacrifice to us for forgiveness of sin anymore

 

[donadams]

Please don’t reply to my posts, donadams--this is not οἰκοδομή (oikodomē), meaning "edifying" or "building up" (from the verb οἰκοδομέω - oikodomeō).

I don’t need a ἱερεύς (hiereus), meaning "priest," to interpret the Scriptures for me.

I didn’t join this forum to be labeled a religious anarchist. If you feel the need to "troll" do it somewhere else.

Thanks.

J.

im not saying don't read scripture and implore the help of the spirit but the christian religion is revealed by Christ in person for three years and commanded to be taught by His church!

Amen!

 

[Eternally-grateful]

im not saying don't read scripture and implore the help of the spirit but the christian religion is revealed by Christ in person for three years and commanded to be taught by His church!

Amen!

thus his church would teach the word of God. so we can use the word of God to determine which church is teaching correct. and which ones are not

 

[donadams]

You tell me. Did they reject the word, or receive it?

it says they received it!

 

[donadams]

God's

where do you find this authority

 

[Eternally-grateful]

it says they received it!

then they evidently had the word to verify Paul's saying. and received what Paul said because the word supported it.

 

[donadams]

My friend, if someone is telling you not to study scripture. be warned they have motives. and they are probably not good

i never said don't study scripture or implore the HS

i asked by what authority since we are not bishops having the authority of Christ as successors of the apostles

 

[Johann!@#]

i never said don't study scripture or implore the HS

i asked by what authority since we are not bishops having the authority of Christ as successors of the apostles

Exegete this for me please. And cite the references where we are to "implore" the Holy Spirit.

The Whole Armor of God
Eph 6:10 - Τοῦ Henceforth λοιποῦ, be empowered ἐνδυναμοῦσθε in ἐν [the] Lord Κυρίῳ and καὶ in ἐν the τῷ strength κράτει of τῆς His αὐτοῦ. might. ἰσχύος
Eph 6:11 Put on ἐνδύσασθε the τὴν complete armor πανοπλίαν - τοῦ of God, Θεοῦ for πρὸς you ὑμᾶς - τὸ to be able δύνασθαι to stand στῆναι against πρὸς the τὰς schemes μεθοδείας of the τοῦ devil, διαβόλου·
Eph 6:12 because ὅτι to us ἡμῖν the ἡ wrestling πάλη is ἔστιν not οὐκ against πρὸς blood αἷμα and καὶ flesh, σάρκα, but ἀλλὰ against πρὸς the τὰς rulers, ἀρχάς, against πρὸς the τὰς authorities, ἐξουσίας, against πρὸς the τοὺς cosmic powers κοσμοκράτορας of τοῦ this τούτου, darkness, σκότους against πρὸς the τὰ spiritual [forces] πνευματικὰ - τῆς of evil πονηρίας in ἐν the τοῖς heavenly realms. ἐπουρανίοις.
Eph 6:13 Because of Διὰ this, τοῦτο take up ἀναλάβετε the τὴν complete armor πανοπλίαν - τοῦ of God, Θεοῦ, so that ἵνα you may be able δυνηθῆτε to withstand ἀντιστῆναι in ἐν the τῇ - τῇ evil πονηρᾷ day, ἡμέρᾳ and καὶ having done κατεργασάμενοι all things, ἅπαντα to stand. στῆναι.
Eph 6:14 Stand στῆτε therefore, οὖν having girded περιζωσάμενοι your ὑμῶν - τὴν loins ὀσφὺν with ἐν truth, ἀληθείᾳ, and καὶ having put on ἐνδυσάμενοι the τὸν breastplate θώρακα - τῆς of righteousness, δικαιοσύνης,
Eph 6:15 and καὶ having shod ὑποδησάμενοι the τοὺς feet πόδας with ἐν [the] readiness ἑτοιμασίᾳ of the τοῦ gospel εὐαγγελίου - τῆς of peace; εἰρήνης,
Eph 6:16 besides ἐν all, πᾶσιν having taken up ἀναλαβόντες the τὸν shield θυρεὸν - τῆς of faith πίστεως, with ἐν which ᾧ you will be able δυνήσεσθε to quench σβέσαι· all πάντα the τὰ flaming πεπυρωμένα arrows βέλη of the τοῦ evil one. πονηροῦ - τὰ
Eph 6:17 And καὶ take δέξασθε, the τὴν helmet περικεφαλαίαν - τοῦ of salvation σωτηρίου and καὶ the τὴν sword μάχαιραν of the τοῦ Spirit, Πνεύματος, which ὅ is ἐστιν [the] word ῥῆμα of God, Θεοῦ,
Eph 6:18 through διὰ all πάσης prayer προσευχῆς and καὶ supplication, δεήσεως, praying προσευχόμενοι in ἐν [the] Spirit Πνεύματι, in ἐν every παντὶ season καιρῷ and καὶ unto εἰς this very thing, αὐτὸ watching ἀγρυπνοῦντες with ἐν all πάσῃ perseverance προσκαρτερήσει and καὶ supplication δεήσει for περὶ all πάντων - τῶν saints, ἁγίων,---

Thanks.

J.

 

[Free]

Exegete this for me please. And cite the references where we are to "implore" the Holy Spirit.

The Whole Armor of God
Eph 6:10 - Τοῦ Henceforth λοιποῦ, be empowered ἐνδυναμοῦσθε in ἐν [the] Lord Κυρίῳ and καὶ in ἐν the τῷ strength κράτει of τῆς His αὐτοῦ. might. ἰσχύος
Eph 6:11 Put on ἐνδύσασθε the τὴν complete armor πανοπλίαν - τοῦ of God, Θεοῦ for πρὸς you ὑμᾶς - τὸ to be able δύνασθαι to stand στῆναι against πρὸς the τὰς schemes μεθοδείας of the τοῦ devil, διαβόλου·
Eph 6:12 because ὅτι to us ἡμῖν the ἡ wrestling πάλη is ἔστιν not οὐκ against πρὸς blood αἷμα and καὶ flesh, σάρκα, but ἀλλὰ against πρὸς the τὰς rulers, ἀρχάς, against πρὸς the τὰς authorities, ἐξουσίας, against πρὸς the τοὺς cosmic powers κοσμοκράτορας of τοῦ this τούτου, darkness, σκότους against πρὸς the τὰ spiritual [forces] πνευματικὰ - τῆς of evil πονηρίας in ἐν the τοῖς heavenly realms. ἐπουρανίοις.
Eph 6:13 Because of Διὰ this, τοῦτο take up ἀναλάβετε the τὴν complete armor πανοπλίαν - τοῦ of God, Θεοῦ, so that ἵνα you may be able δυνηθῆτε to withstand ἀντιστῆναι in ἐν the τῇ - τῇ evil πονηρᾷ day, ἡμέρᾳ and καὶ having done κατεργασάμενοι all things, ἅπαντα to stand. στῆναι.
Eph 6:14 Stand στῆτε therefore, οὖν having girded περιζωσάμενοι your ὑμῶν - τὴν loins ὀσφὺν with ἐν truth, ἀληθείᾳ, and καὶ having put on ἐνδυσάμενοι the τὸν breastplate θώρακα - τῆς of righteousness, δικαιοσύνης,
Eph 6:15 and καὶ having shod ὑποδησάμενοι the τοὺς feet πόδας with ἐν [the] readiness ἑτοιμασίᾳ of the τοῦ gospel εὐαγγελίου - τῆς of peace; εἰρήνης,
Eph 6:16 besides ἐν all, πᾶσιν having taken up ἀναλαβόντες the τὸν shield θυρεὸν - τῆς of faith πίστεως, with ἐν which ᾧ you will be able δυνήσεσθε to quench σβέσαι· all πάντα the τὰ flaming πεπυρωμένα arrows βέλη of the τοῦ evil one. πονηροῦ - τὰ
Eph 6:17 And καὶ take δέξασθε, the τὴν helmet περικεφαλαίαν - τοῦ of salvation σωτηρίου and καὶ the τὴν sword μάχαιραν of the τοῦ Spirit, Πνεύματος, which ὅ is ἐστιν [the] word ῥῆμα of God, Θεοῦ,
Eph 6:18 through διὰ all πάσης prayer προσευχῆς and καὶ supplication, δεήσεως, praying προσευχόμενοι in ἐν [the] Spirit Πνεύματι, in ἐν every παντὶ season καιρῷ and καὶ unto εἰς this very thing, αὐτὸ watching ἀγρυπνοῦντες with ἐν all πάσῃ perseverance προσκαρτερήσει and καὶ supplication δεήσει for περὶ all πάντων - τῶν saints, ἁγίων,---

Thanks.

J.

You are unlikely to get much, if any, engagement when you post Scripture this way, as it is difficult to read. It is much better to just post the English, almost no one here can read the Greek. If you're trying to show something specific with the Greek grammar, then it works better, in my opinion, to post it this way:

John 1:1:

1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος .
1 In [the] beginning was the Word and the Word was with - God and God was the Word

It takes a bit of work, but things are much clearer.

 

[donadams]

this is probably one of the funniest question I have ever seen asked.

Is Jesus not our high priest?

The veil was ripped in two for a reason. we can all boldly go to Jesus now.. we do not need a human priest to go offer sacrifice to us for forgiveness of sin anymore

you know & I know He is priest but most do not!

and the veil has nothing to do with priests.

the holy of holies represented heaven which was closed at the fall of adam until the atonement of the Savior!

we still have priests in the new covenant as you indicated: Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order

thks

 

[Johann!@#]

You are unlikely to get much, if any, engagement when you post Scripture this way, as it is difficult to read. It is much better to just post the English, almost no one here can read the Greek. If you're trying to show something specific with the Greek grammar, then it works better, in my opinion, to post it this way:

John 1:1:

1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος .
1 In [the] beginning was the Word and the Word was with - God and God was the Word

It takes a bit of work, but things are much clearer.

Thank you, Free. I was actually hoping not to get a response from him, since it seems I apparently need a priest to exegete Scripture for me.

Also, while I have your attention--someone sent me an excerpt from Bible Hub using Paint, mentioning a "paint symbol" somewhere. I’ve tried about 50 different methods and still can’t get it to work, using John 1:1 as an example.

I know I sound like a broken record, but this is important for me since my go-to is Scripture4All.

It seems like no one understands what I’m talking about, and I’m worried this might end up causing some trouble.

God bless.

Johann.

 

[Johann!@#]

you know & I know He is priest but most do not!

and the veil has nothing to do with priests.

the holy of holies represented heaven which was closed at the fall of adam until the atonement of the Savior!

we still have priests in the new covenant as you indicated: Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order

thks

Priest, Prophet and King of kings, Lord of lords---so we have "high priests and "low" priests now?-Lol!!

J.

 

[donadams]

then they evidently had the word to verify Paul's saying. and received what Paul said because the word supported it.

i think they received it in the authority of paul but were just curious

 

[Johann!@#]

i think they received it in the authority of paul but were just curious

You think?? Friend, brother, this is not exegesis but eisegesis-no offense!

Shalom.

J.

 

[Free]

Thank you, Free. I was actually hoping not to get a response from him, since it seems I apparently need a priest to exegete Scripture for me.

Ha ha! If that was your goal, then we'll wait and see.

Also, while I have your attention--someone sent me an excerpt from Bible Hub using Paint, mentioning a "paint symbol" somewhere. I’ve tried about 50 different methods and still can’t get it to work, using John 1:1 as an example.

I know I sound like a broken record, but this is important for me since my go-to is Scripture4All.

It seems like no one understands what I’m talking about, and I’m worried this might end up causing some trouble.

God bless.

Johann.

I don't know how it could cause trouble, but I don't understand what you need Paint for regarding posting Scripture or what "paint symbol" someone might have been talking about. What does Paint have to do with Scripture4All and posting Scripture here?

 

[Johann!@#]

Ha ha! If that was your goal, then we'll wait and see.


I don't know how it could cause trouble, but I don't understand what you need Paint for regarding posting Scripture or what "paint symbol" someone might have been talking about. What does Paint have to do with Scripture4All and posting Scripture here?

This is what I mean Free

Post in thread 'JOHN MACARTHUR'

Friday at 8:34 AM

I don’t mean to intrude on this thread, but I just wanted to ask--are you saying that OSAS is a dividing factor among Christians, brother?

J.

A huge dividing factor.

It’s Heresy.

Please look up the meaning of the word Heresies.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that...

• JLB

See the image--

Johann.

 

[donadams]

Exegete this for me please. And cite the references where we are to "implore" the Holy Spirit.

The Whole Armor of God
Eph 6:10 - Τοῦ Henceforth λοιποῦ, be empowered ἐνδυναμοῦσθε in ἐν [the] Lord Κυρίῳ and καὶ in ἐν the τῷ strength κράτει of τῆς His αὐτοῦ. might. ἰσχύος
Eph 6:11 Put on ἐνδύσασθε the τὴν complete armor πανοπλίαν - τοῦ of God, Θεοῦ for πρὸς you ὑμᾶς - τὸ to be able δύνασθαι to stand στῆναι against πρὸς the τὰς schemes μεθοδείας of the τοῦ devil, διαβόλου·
Eph 6:12 because ὅτι to us ἡμῖν the ἡ wrestling πάλη is ἔστιν not οὐκ against πρὸς blood αἷμα and καὶ flesh, σάρκα, but ἀλλὰ against πρὸς the τὰς rulers, ἀρχάς, against πρὸς the τὰς authorities, ἐξουσίας, against πρὸς the τοὺς cosmic powers κοσμοκράτορας of τοῦ this τούτου, darkness, σκότους against πρὸς the τὰ spiritual [forces] πνευματικὰ - τῆς of evil πονηρίας in ἐν the τοῖς heavenly realms. ἐπουρανίοις.
Eph 6:13 Because of Διὰ this, τοῦτο take up ἀναλάβετε the τὴν complete armor πανοπλίαν - τοῦ of God, Θεοῦ, so that ἵνα you may be able δυνηθῆτε to withstand ἀντιστῆναι in ἐν the τῇ - τῇ evil πονηρᾷ day, ἡμέρᾳ and καὶ having done κατεργασάμενοι all things, ἅπαντα to stand. στῆναι.
Eph 6:14 Stand στῆτε therefore, οὖν having girded περιζωσάμενοι your ὑμῶν - τὴν loins ὀσφὺν with ἐν truth, ἀληθείᾳ, and καὶ having put on ἐνδυσάμενοι the τὸν breastplate θώρακα - τῆς of righteousness, δικαιοσύνης,
Eph 6:15 and καὶ having shod ὑποδησάμενοι the τοὺς feet πόδας with ἐν [the] readiness ἑτοιμασίᾳ of the τοῦ gospel εὐαγγελίου - τῆς of peace; εἰρήνης,
Eph 6:16 besides ἐν all, πᾶσιν having taken up ἀναλαβόντες the τὸν shield θυρεὸν - τῆς of faith πίστεως, with ἐν which ᾧ you will be able δυνήσεσθε to quench σβέσαι· all πάντα the τὰ flaming πεπυρωμένα arrows βέλη of the τοῦ evil one. πονηροῦ - τὰ
Eph 6:17 And καὶ take δέξασθε, the τὴν helmet περικεφαλαίαν - τοῦ of salvation σωτηρίου and καὶ the τὴν sword μάχαιραν of the τοῦ Spirit, Πνεύματος, which ὅ is ἐστιν [the] word ῥῆμα of God, Θεοῦ,
Eph 6:18 through διὰ all πάσης prayer προσευχῆς and καὶ supplication, δεήσεως, praying προσευχόμενοι in ἐν [the] Spirit Πνεύματι, in ἐν every παντὶ season καιρῷ and καὶ unto εἰς this very thing, αὐτὸ watching ἀγρυπνοῦντες with ἐν all πάσῃ perseverance προσκαρτερήσει and καὶ supplication δεήσει for περὶ all πάντων - τῶν saints, ἁγίων,---

Thanks.

J.

matt 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

ask for the gifts of christian faith hope charity and wisdom knowledge understanding counsel fortitude fear of the Lord and piety!

Ave Maria!

 

[Johann!@#]

matt 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

ask for the gifts of christian faith hope charity and wisdom knowledge understanding counsel fortitude fear of the Lord and piety!

Ave Maria!

Lol!...Ave...

J.

 

[Free]

i never said don't study scripture or implore the HS

i asked by what authority since we are not bishops having the authority of Christ as successors of the apostles

We don't need authority; we are a kingdom of priests and filled with the Holy Spirit (the Trinity, really) are we not? We should follow the example of the Bereans, should we not?

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (ESV)

Shouldn't we should follow what Paul says? He is implying that believers use their God-given wisdom and reasoning, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to examine what is being taught and to abandon false teaching, correct? I'm sure I could find many instances of that in the NT.