The Last Day

[for_his_glory]

2 Peter 3:19-12 day of the Lord is a part of the whole cross reference of the return of Christ being the last day after the seven trumpets of Gods great wrath is finished. This is the time Christ comes to destroy the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Then comes the catching up of the saints. Those who are still alive at His coming and those who sleep in the grave as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him in the air.

Before we are caught up to meet Him in the air this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. It is only those who have rejected Christ, both alive and in their graves at His coming that are raised to damnation. There is only one resurrection that takes place on the day Christ returns, but two different judgements.

Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21.

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord is a day of Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. It is always pointed out as the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase the day of the Lord is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it is as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day in Mark 16:9; Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1,2 . John was in the Spirit, but yet in his physical body when he received from the angel all these revelations that he wrote down. Throughout scripture the Lord's day is usually referred to as the Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, Genesis 2:1-3 a day of rest.

 

[RandyK]

2 Peter 3:19-12 day of the Lord is a part of the whole cross reference of the return of Christ being the last day after the seven trumpets of Gods great wrath is finished. This is the time Christ comes to destroy the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Then comes the catching up of the saints. Those who are still alive at His coming and those who sleep in the grave as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him in the air.

Before we are caught up to meet Him in the air this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. It is only those who have rejected Christ, both alive and in their graves at His coming that are raised to damnation. There is only one resurrection that takes place on the day Christ returns, but two different judgements.

Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21.

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord is a day of Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. It is always pointed out as the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase the day of the Lord is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it is as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day in Mark 16:9; Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1,2 . John was in the Spirit, but yet in his physical body when he received from the angel all these revelations that he wrote down. Throughout scripture the Lord's day is usually referred to as the Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, Genesis 2:1-3 a day of rest.

As I said before, I think the "Lord's Day" as used in the Revelation refers to the unique "day of the Lord" as indicated in Zechariah 14.7. It is like Paul was "caught up to the 3rd heaven."

I don't think it has to do with the Sabbath, the Resurrection Day, Saturday or Sunday. That wouldn't make sense to me in context. This is a vision, and that's what a "day of the Lord" would be if John had to be transported to see symbolic things or visions.

But that difference is unimportant, as I see it. The real issue here for me is in understanding Jesus' conception of the regathering of Israel in the Olivet Discourse. That is where the angels gather God's elect in Israel on the last day of Israel's Diaspora. Other nations had not yet been produced at the time of this Address, and so are not yet included in the discussion.

But Paul seems to add the new Christian nations to the language of Jesus' regathering of Israel. This isn't just a normal restoration. This is a restoratioin of the last day of Israel's age of tribulations. It appears to be a heavenly restoration, and not just an earthly restoration of the nation Israel. Some will be glorified, and some will be restored physically to their nation.

The language, however, involves just Israel and their typitcal regathering after invasion and exile. This is a restoration after deportation and exile. The major difference is that angels are involved in this restoration. And so Paul explains this as a last day "Rapture"--an act of glorification.

The angels gather the elect in Israel to a place of transformation, in the language of a physical restoration of national Israel. But Paul adds to this a restoration of all nations.

At least that's as far as I can take it. I'm still not very clear on this and am hoping the Lord gives me greater clarity.

 

[Marilyn C]

2 Peter 3:19-12 day of the Lord is a part of the whole cross reference of the return of Christ being the last day after the seven trumpets of Gods great wrath is finished. This is the time Christ comes to destroy the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Then comes the catching up of the saints. Those who are still alive at His coming and those who sleep in the grave as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him in the air.

Before we are caught up to meet Him in the air this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. It is only those who have rejected Christ, both alive and in their graves at His coming that are raised to damnation. There is only one resurrection that takes place on the day Christ returns, but two different judgements.

Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21.

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord is a day of Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. It is always pointed out as the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase the day of the Lord is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it is as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day in Mark 16:9; Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1,2 . John was in the Spirit, but yet in his physical body when he received from the angel all these revelations that he wrote down. Throughout scripture the Lord's day is usually referred to as the Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, Genesis 2:1-3 a day of rest.

Hi FHG,

In Hebrew and Greek the word `Day` refers to a specific day AND also to a period of time. Both of those are used in God`s word.

1. Specific Day - Rev. 6: 12 - 17.

2. Period of Time - 2 Peter 3: 10. Joel 2: 1 & 2. Zeph. 1: 14 & 15.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi FHG,

In Hebrew and Greek the word `Day` refers to a specific day AND also to a period of time. Both of those are used in God`s word.

1. Specific Day - Rev. 6: 12 - 17.

2. Period of Time - 2 Peter 3: 10. Joel 2: 1 & 2. Zeph. 1: 14 & 15.

I agree, but the day of the Lord is in His timing beyond our own timing.

 

[for_his_glory]

As I said before, I think the "Lord's Day" as used in the Revelation refers to the unique "day of the Lord" as indicated in Zechariah 14.7. It is like Paul was "caught up to the 3rd heaven."

I don't think it has to do with the Sabbath, the Resurrection Day, Saturday or Sunday. That wouldn't make sense to me in context. This is a vision, and that's what a "day of the Lord" would be if John had to be transported to see symbolic things or visions.

But that difference is unimportant, as I see it. The real issue here for me is in understanding Jesus' conception of the regathering of Israel in the Olivet Discourse. That is where the angels gather God's elect in Israel on the last day of Israel's Diaspora. Other nations had not yet been produced at the time of this Address, and so are not yet included in the discussion.

But Paul seems to add the new Christian nations to the language of Jesus' regathering of Israel. This isn't just a normal restoration. This is a restoratioin of the last day of Israel's age of tribulations. It appears to be a heavenly restoration, and not just an earthly restoration of the nation Israel. Some will be glorified, and some will be restored physically to their nation.

The language, however, involves just Israel and their typitcal regathering after invasion and exile. This is a restoration after deportation and exile. The major difference is that angels are involved in this restoration. And so Paul explains this as a last day "Rapture"--an act of glorification.

The angels gather the elect in Israel to a place of transformation, in the language of a physical restoration of national Israel. But Paul adds to this a restoration of all nations.

At least that's as far as I can take it. I'm still not very clear on this and am hoping the Lord gives me greater clarity.

There are certain things that only pertain to Israel, but yet Gentiles being grafted into Israel's branches, all things pertain to every nation as God knows the beginning and ending of all things on Earth. The OT is basically geared to Israel, but yet the teachings are for all of us to learn from. Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus gives us the sign of His return and the gathering of those who are His own, dead or alive at His coming. What truly matters is that we keep the witness and testimony alive as we share the word of God with those who will have ears to hear and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

As far as Paul and John in 2Cor 12:2 and Rev 1:9-10 this is speaking about being in the Spirit on the Lords day, being in God's timing for His purpose that could be any day of the week, as no one has ever been taken up to the third heaven, John 3:13.

This is called being slain in the Spirit, which is a deep Spiritual encounter with God for His purpose to speak to us or give us certain visions like John received.

The term "slain in the Spirit" is found in Numbers 22:31; 2 Chronicles 5:13, 14; Ezekiel 44:4; 1:28; Matthew 17:6; John 6:5; 18:6.

When you are in the presence of God's Holy Spirit it can cause your body to sway back and forth and go limp as the Holy Spirit engulfs you. It can cause your body to go limp so much that you fall to the floor in His presence. It's one of the greatest experience one could ever have.

The term "slain in the Spirit" means falling to the ground as the power of God works through the Holy Spirit and engulfs you in the actual light of the glory of the Lord as He speaks to you. Some people will experience this like I have many times as well as others and some may never experience it at all as it's usually a special anointing from God when we worship and praise Him in song or prayer, or that He has a special message for the individual.

 

[hawkman]

This is the time Christ comes to destroy the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Then comes the catching up of the saints.

The saints are the armies which return with Christ , we can tell this by how they are dressed "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" . Fine Linen is key here . These are not angels .

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

 

[RandyK]

There are certain things that only pertain to Israel, but yet Gentiles being grafted into Israel's branches, all things pertain to every nation as God knows the beginning and ending of all things on Earth. The OT is basically geared to Israel, but yet the teachings are for all of us to learn from. Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus gives us the sign of His return and the gathering of those who are His own, dead or alive at His coming. What truly matters is that we keep the witness and testimony alive as we share the word of God with those who will have ears to hear and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

As far as Paul and John in 2Cor 12:2 and Rev 1:9-10 this is speaking about being in the Spirit on the Lords day, being in God's timing for His purpose that could be any day of the week, as no one has ever been taken up to the third heaven, John 3:13.

This is called being slain in the Spirit, which is a deep Spiritual encounter with God for His purpose to speak to us or give us certain visions like John received.

The term "slain in the Spirit" is found in Numbers 22:31; 2 Chronicles 5:13, 14; Ezekiel 44:4; 1:28; Matthew 17:6; John 6:5; 18:6.

When you are in the presence of God's Holy Spirit it can cause your body to sway back and forth and go limp as the Holy Spirit engulfs you. It can cause your body to go limp so much that you fall to the floor in His presence. It's one of the greatest experience one could ever have.

The term "slain in the Spirit" means falling to the ground as the power of God works through the Holy Spirit and engulfs you in the actual light of the glory of the Lord as He speaks to you. Some people will experience this like I have many times as well as others and some may never experience it at all as it's usually a special anointing from God when we worship and praise Him in song or prayer, or that He has a special message for the individual.

John 6.5? Anyway, I found your post interesting. I had noted how the soldiers fell down when they were arresting Jesus. But I don't think I connected "falling face down" by the prophets as being the modern phenomenon called being "slain in the Spirit."

Back in the late 70s I attended Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim, CA where Pastor Ralph Wilkerson presided. He seemed to see people being "slain in the Spirit" on stage as a weekly occurrence. I believe he knew Kathryn Kuhlman when she ministered in S. CA, who had long seen this experience in her ministry.

It's a truly strange thing to behold. It's never happened to me, but I've seen it in a number of places in my life and only doubt it when it comes to Benny Hinn's practices of "blowing on people," etc. It seems to get silly at that point! He also had been connected to Kathryn Kuhlman.

I don't believe this in any way relates to Paul's visiting the 3rd heaven or John's being in the Spirit on the Lord's Day except perhaps in Rev 7.11 and 22.8. However, falling down facedown or the like may simply be making one's self prostrate before a superior, such as bowing before a king--it may not be like passing out or losing consciousness. I just don't know?

But I appreciate your words on the "regathering of Israel and the Church." I'm still researching and praying to understand precisely how Paul understood Jesus' statements to that effect in the Olivet Discourse.

 

[for_his_glory]

The saints are the armies which return with Christ , we can tell this by how they are dressed "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" . Fine Linen is key here . These are not angels .

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Matthew 24:29-31; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Rev 19:11-21 clearly shows us that we are not caught up to Christ until He returns in the air as then He sends His angels out to gather up all who are His own as we will meet Him in the air.

The army that returns with Jesus is the army of angels being the host of heaven that comes down with Him and not the saints. Genesis 1:1; Deuteronomy 4:19; 33:2; 1 Chronicles 18:18; Nehemiah 9:6; Jeremiah 33:22. John 3:13 makes it very clear that no one has ever ascended up to heaven other than Christ. The only thing that goes back to God when we die is the very breath He gave us that made us a living soul, Genesis 2:7; Ecclesiastics 12:7.

 

[hawkman]

The army that returns with Jesus is the army of angels being the host of heaven that comes down with Him and not the saints

Can you find angels clothed in fine linen in the Bible ?

That is not angels returning with Christ , how the saints got there you will have to figure out on your own .

Topical Bible: Fine Linen

 

[for_his_glory]

John 6.5? Anyway, I found your post interesting. I had noted how the soldiers fell down when they were arresting Jesus. But I don't think I connected "falling face down" by the prophets as being the modern phenomenon called being "slain in the Spirit."

Back in the late 70s I attended Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim, CA where Pastor Ralph Wilkerson presided. He seemed to see people being "slain in the Spirit" on stage as a weekly occurrence. I believe he knew Kathryn Kuhlman when she ministered in S. CA, who had long seen this experience in her ministry.

It's a truly strange thing to behold. It's never happened to me, but I've seen it in a number of places in my life and only doubt it when it comes to Benny Hinn's practices of "blowing on people," etc. It seems to get silly at that point! He also had been connected to Kathryn Kuhlman.

I don't believe this in any way relates to Paul's visiting the 3rd heaven or John's being in the Spirit on the Lord's Day except perhaps in Rev 7.11 and 22.8. However, falling down facedown or the like may simply be making one's self prostrate before a superior, such as bowing before a king--it may not be like passing out or losing consciousness. I just don't know?

But I appreciate your words on the "regathering of Israel and the Church." I'm still researching and praying to understand precisely how Paul understood Jesus' statements to that effect in the Olivet Discourse.

Oops, sorry about John 6:5 and don't know why I added that verse. I liked Katheryn Kuhlman and her teachings. I've been to a few Benny Hinn's services and even worked with one of them and came to see how fake he is in his stage performances, but how the Holy Spirit, not man, worked within some including myself. I've heard that he used hypnosis causing many to fall out in the audience. He only allows his staff to pray for others. I was standing behind the stage and there was a girl in a wheelchair that was screaming and God told me to go over and lay hands on here and as I did that she started to calm down and her mother was glad I did this, but while I was praying for her one of the staff came over and told me to quit praying for her as that was Benny's job to do that. I never went back to any of his services again as they broke the healing God wanted to give that lady.

Anyway, I am side tracking the OP, oops, but just wanted to speak on this. Usually when one goes down in the Spirit they usually fall backwards.

 

[for_his_glory]

Can you find angels clothed in fine linen in the Bible ?

That is not angels returning with Christ , how the saints got there you will have to figure out on your own .

Topical Bible: Fine Linen

These angels being the army of God that come with Him are clothed in fine linen, white and clean which symbolizes purity, righteousness and divine holiness as also being symbolic of the saints of God, whether dead or alive at His coming, that will be gathered up to meet Jesus in the air when He returns.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

No one has ever been taken up to the third heaven (Throne room of God) when they died as it is only the breath God breathed in us making us a living soul that returns back to Him.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

We can not ignore Matthew 24:29-31; John 3:13; John 5:28-30 and 1Thessalonians 4:13-18.

 

[hawkman]

These angels being the army of God that come with Him are clothed in fine linen, white and clean which symbolizes purity, righteousness and divine holiness as also being symbolic of the saints of God, whether dead or alive at His coming, that will be gathered up to meet Jesus in the air when He returns.

Have you found the word armies used to describe angels in the Bible ?

Angels are not described as an "army" in the bible , "host" of heaven we would know that meant angels but we are not given that in Rev 19 .
The words army and fine linen are the indicators of this being the saints of God returning with Christ .

 

[Marilyn C]

The saints are the armies which return with Christ , we can tell this by how they are dressed "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" . Fine Linen is key here . These are not angels .

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Actually angels are also clothed in `pure bright linen, ` (Rev. 15: 6)

And God`s word says that it is the angels that return with the Lord to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.

`For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels;...` (Matt. 16: 27)

``...the Son of Man ...when He comes in His glory, & the glory of the Father & of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

`...when the Lord is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels.` 92 Thess. 1: 7)

 

[hawkman]

Actually angels are also clothed in `pure bright linen, ` (Rev. 15: 6)

Ding ! Ding ! Ding ! You have found 7 angels in heaven in pure bright linen . Thank you .

Now did you find any angels described as armies ?

People's Bible Notes for Revelation 19:14​

Re 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him. These armies are the armies of the saints, purified, holy, a conquering host, led by Christ to victory.

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 14. - And the amiss which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean; which are... white, pure. These armies are not merely the angels, but the "called, chosen, and faithful" of Revelation 17:14
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-17-14/
, "the bride" of ver. 8, who are described as being arrayed in white in Revelation 6:11, and ver. 8 of this chapter. Those commentators who consider that the angels only are intended, and not the saints, forget the double nature of the vision; it is not only a description of Judgment meted out, but also of a war waged. (On "white" and "fine linen," see previous chapters.)

 

[Marilyn C]

Ding ! Ding ! Ding ! You have found 7 angels in heaven in pure bright linen . Thank you .

Now did you find any angels described as armies ?

Yes.

`The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of thousands;...` (Ps. 68: 17)

`Then the Commander (Jesus) of the Lord`s army said to Joshua...` (Joshua 5: 15)

 

[hawkman]

Yes.

`The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of thousands;...` (Ps. 68: 17)

`Then the Commander (Jesus) of the Lord`s army said to Joshua...` (Joshua 5: 15)

I fail to find "armies" , I see host but no "armies" . Also none of these are dressed in fine linen .

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Psalms 68:17 Context​

14When the Almighty scattered kings in it, it was white as snow in Salmon. 15The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. 16Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever. 17The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. 18Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. 19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. 20He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death.

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Joshua 5:15 Context​

12And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. 13And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

 

[Marilyn C]

I fail to find "armies" , I see host but no "armies" . Also none of these are dressed in fine linen .

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Psalms 68:17 Context​

14When the Almighty scattered kings in it, it was white as snow in Salmon. 15The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. 16Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever. 17The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. 18Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. 19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. 20He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death.

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Joshua 5:15 Context​

12And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. 13And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

So, let`s look at these scriptures for more clarification.

`He does according to His will in the army in heaven,...` (Dan. 4: 35)

`And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. ` (Rev. 12: 7)

Hosts - Heb. `tsabaah,` a mass, especially organized for war.

`Captain of the host of the Lord. `(Joshua 5: 15)

`Fine Linen, symbolizes pure, holy. And God`s angels are holy angels.

`...the Son of Man ...when He comes in His glory, & the glory of the Father & of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

 

[hawkman]

So, let`s look at these scriptures for more clarification.

`He does according to His will in the army in heaven,...` (Dan. 4: 35)

`And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. ` (Rev. 12: 7)

Hosts - Heb. `tsabaah,` a mass, especially organized for war.

`Captain of the host of the Lord. `(Joshua 5: 15)

`Fine Linen, symbolizes pure, holy. And God angels are holy angels.

`...the Son of Man ...when He comes in His glory, & the glory of the Father & of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

Good reply and you made your case but I will I agree with the many commentaries out there and my own thoughts as I believe that is the saints of God coming back with our Savior riding to victory ! Praise God !

Could it be the saints and the angels are the army coming back with Christ ! ? ! That is possible too .

 

[Marilyn C]

Good reply and you made your case but I will I agree with the many commentaries out there and my own thoughts as I believe that is the saints of God coming back with our Savior riding to victory ! Praise God !

Could it be the saints and the angels are the army coming back with Christ ! ? ! That is possible too .

Hi hawkman,

Mmmmm what would you think if someone said they would agree with the commentaries and not God`s word?

May I suggest you look into that view and see if there are any scriptures to support it. We need to remember that commentaries are written by fallible man whereas God`s word is true.

 

[hawkman]

Mmmmm what would you think if someone said they would agree with the commentaries and not God`s word?

We both agree with God's word , we just don't agree on what it said .

May I suggest you look into that view and see if there are any scriptures to support it.

It is a win for everyone in this picture , tell me I am wrong ?

We need to remember that commentaries are written by fallible man whereas God`s word is true.

Everyday when I get up and look in the mirror I see a fallible old man , but I know he is forgiven .

What do you see when you look in the mirror ?